Assyrians on Sabbath and Sunday Worship

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You would have to spell out your argument more. The LXX refers to the yearly as everlasting laws:

Lev 23:14 καὶ ἄρτον καὶ πεφρυγμένα χίδρα νέα οὐ φάγεσθε ἕως εἰς αὐτὴν τὴν ἡμέραν ταύτην, ἕως ἂν προσενέγκητε ὑμεῖς τὰ δῶρα τῷ θεῷ ὑμῶν· νόμιμον αἰώνιον εἰς τὰς γενεὰς ὑμῶν ἐν πάσῃ κατοικίᾳ ὑμῶν.



There is in the list of food and drink offerings for the appointed times, of which the Sabbath is one.


And there is for Ezekiel 45-46, which is the parallel to Col. 2
I spelled out as clear as it can possible be. God’s Sabbath is not an ordinance it is part of a covenant of Ten that God personally wrote with His own finger and stored in the Most Holy of His Temple. The annual sabbath(s) yearly festivals is an ordinance not a commandment of God. I’m sorry you can not see this huge difference.
 
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Genesis and Exodus are one continuous narrative. Genesis was not written in the garden of Eden. It was written likely after the statement of God on the mountain to Israel. Which means that the words quoted are those of God to the Israelites, at Sinai, and in the context of their covenant.

And the Sabbath command is directed towards Israel.

Exo 31:12 And the LORD said to Moses,
Exo 31:13 “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.
Exo 31:14 You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.
Exo 31:16 Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”
Exo 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.


Now if you say you are Israel, then why are you not keeping the other everlasting things in Col. 2 and Ezekiel 45 that were given to Israel?

Lev 23:14 And you shall eat neither bread nor grain parched or fresh until this same day, until you have brought the offering of your God: it is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.



And you can believe what you want, as though that needed to be said. But God's laws included the yearly. They were not done away with. But some were fulfilled.



It was not limited to the ten. He covers divorce, vows, eye for eye etc. It was the whole law. But you don't keep the whole law.

And if you think some were fulfilled (which He also said) then you are agreeing with others, but you disagree on one point that was fulfilled.

Ezekiel 45 includes the weekly Sabbath. And Col. 2 is referring to the same appointed times with their food and drink offerings, of which the weekly Sabbath is one.

Which means they are all shadows. So what you do with the Day of Atonement, and the Passover, you also have to do with the Sabbath.

So maybe you can quote where is the covenant that God made with Gentiles?
 
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I spelled out as clear as it can possible be. God’s Sabbath is not an ordinance it is part of a covenant of Ten that God personally wrote with His own finger and stored in the Most Holy of His Temple. The annual sabbath(s) yearly festivals is an ordinance not a commandment of God. I’m sorry you can not see this huge difference.

No, it is actually not clear. Both were commanded. And both were associated with cutting off of those who did not comply.

All were appointed times, including the Sabbath. All were commanded by God. All were ceremonial, as in not inherently moral, but regarding times. And all had sacrifices.

And all are listed in Ezekiel 45 and Col. 2. as shadows.

There were moral commandments in the ten. There were moral commandments outside the ten.

There were ceremonial commandments outside the ten. And there was a ceremonial commandment in the ten. It was a sign, a memorial of creation and redemption, and an appointed times with sacrifices.
 
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No, it is actually not clear. Both were commanded. And both were associated with cutting off of those who did not comply.

All were appointed times, including the Sabbath. All were commanded by God. All were ceremonial, as in not inherently moral, but regarding times. And all had sacrifices.

And all are listed in Ezekiel 45 and Col. 2. as shadows.

Trying to make the holy day of the Lord thy God and a commandment of God a shadow is not something I would do, but we do have free will and we are going to have to agree to disagree.
 
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Indeed so. Sola scriptura was an innovation on the part of Luther, and also a huge mistake, larger than he realized, because he himself did not actually follow it to the extreme it suggested. Basically, sola scriptura meant one thing to Luther, and another thing to radical reformers, who he fiercely opposed, the Anabaptists, but I fear he inadvertently inspired them.

I don’t think the SDA church fully understands Sola Scriptura either, as Luther intended the concept, because Martin Luther would obviously be aghast at the idea of Ellen White’s interpretations of scripture being treated as infallible. He was trying to move away from the idea of an infallible magisterium, but if one is to assign infallibility to things beyond Scripture, the Creeds, Councils, and canons which decide scripture, the Roman Catholic Magisterium is much closer to what Luther believed than the doctrines of EGW.

Little did Luther imagine what kinds of bad doctrines could be formed using scripture alone.
 
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So maybe you can quote where is the covenant that God made with Gentiles?

He included them in Israel's covenant. They are extended the same promises.

Yet Acts 15 and 21 indicate that they were not required to do all that Israel did.

But you dodged the question. If you are Israel why are you not doing all that Israel was told to do?
 
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Trying to make the holy day of the Lord thy God and a commandment of God a shadow is not is not something I would do, but we do have free will and we are going to have to agree to disagree.

Well take it up with Ezekiel and Paul, because it was an appointed time, with sacrifices, and included as a shadow.

And if you say you are an Israelite, then do all the law of Israel.

But if you say some are shadows, then you are back to the list, and one in that list is the weekly Sabbath, just as in Ezekiel 45,46.
 
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Little did Luther imagine what kinds of bad doctrines could be formed using scripture alone.
Yes Luther was questioning some of the doctrine, especially when it came to God’s Ten commandments, which includes the 4th commandment.

I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the law of Ten Commandments...Whosoever abrogates the law must of necessity abrogate sin also.
—MARTIN LUTHER, Spiritual Antichrist, pages 71, 72

Same with John Wesley

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.
 
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Little did Luther imagine what kinds of bad doctrines could be formed using scripture alone.

Indeed. He was unaware of the fact that Arius and the Arians, ranging from semi Arian sympathizers like Eusebius of Caesarea - who frighteningly proposed a Scriptural canon for the NT that was close but somewhat different from that of Saint Athanasius the Great which we wound up adopting - to hardliners like Eunomius and Eusebius of Nicomedia, were using the same scriptures as the Nicene Christians.

But later in the Golden Age of Lutheran Orthodoxy, within the high church set of Lutheranism known as Evangelical Catholicism, of which JS Bach was a member, a distinction was drawn between Lutheran Magisterial sola scriptura and the Nuda Scriptura approach of the Anabaptists, Puritans and other heterodox sects. So the Lutheran Church in its golden age in Europe, and the confessional Lutheran churches of today, like the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, the Lutheran Church of Canada, and the Mission Provinces of the Church of Sweden and the Church of Norway, do care a great deal about avoiding divergent theology from counter-traditional reading of Scripture.

Calvinism developed a similar approach, and High Church Anglicanism under the likes of the Caroline Divines, Archbishop Laud, Wesley*, and the Oxford Movement, made tradition and reason the means by which scripture was to be interpreted.

*Although Wesley added Experience. Recently @MarkRohfrietsch shared with me a legitimate concern about the Wesleyan Quadrilateral potentially having inadvertently enabled some of the degenerate ecclesiastical motions we have seen in the liberal mainline churches, and consequently I am re-evaluating my views on the Anglican and Wesleyan models. I had always viewed them as a sort of concentric ring, with scripture in the center, then tradition, then reason, and finally experience in the outermost, least authoritative function, but I have heard of the Anglican trilateral model referred to as a tripod, and that would actually be suboptimal to pit reason, scripture and tradition against each other on an even level.

In the Eastern Orthodox Church, Holy Scripture is regarded as the hard authoritative center of an all encompassing Holy Tradition, with a soft outer edge being some of the experiences of mystical theology, and theologoumemna, or theological opinions, and I was interpreting the Quadrilateral as an occidentalization of that matter, just as Entire Sanctification is most definitely an occidentalization of Theosis.
 
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Yes Luther was questioning some of the doctrine, especially when it came to God’s Ten commandments, which includes the 4th commandment.

I wonder exceedingly how it came to be imputed to me that I should reject the law of Ten Commandments...Whosoever abrogates the law must of necessity abrogate sin also.
—MARTIN LUTHER, Spiritual Antichrist, pages 71, 72

Same with John Wesley

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

Citing Wesley, who believed Christians should partake of the Eucharist every Sunday, and Luther, who believed the same thing, and who taught that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of our Lord, in, with and under the species of Bread and Wine, and etched HOC EST CORPVS MEVM into a table during a debate with Calvinists on this issue, as being in any respect supporting the theological position of the Adventists is not tenable.

The fact is, the SDA rejects almost every doctrine Luther and Wesley taught, and the only common ground between Luther and the SDA is a contempt for the Papacy, although Luther clearly did not object to all Popes, but rather those corrupt Popes who had caused the schism with the Orthodox, the Avignon Schism, the Borgias, Julius II and Leo X. Luther supported the doctrines of earlier Popes like Victor, Celestine, Leo I, Gelasius, and Gregory the Great. Whereas I doubt there is a single Roman bishop that the SDA likes, certainly not St. Gregory.
 
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My point here is the weekly Sabbath was included in Ezekiel 45, and the parallel Col. 2. So it is a shadow.

According to the scripture you made no point because there is no longer Feast days under the new covenant as all the sacrificial system is now fulfilled and continued in Christ therefore no sabbaths in the Feast days. Yet God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath of the 10 commandments has always been outside of the Feast days therefore in the new covenant just because there is no more "seventh day" Sabbath in the annual Feast days does not mean there is no more 4th commandment of Gods' 10 commandments.

Your error here is that you think God' 4th commandments is locked into the annual Feast day cycle it is not. It is outside of the annual Feast days and the sacrificial laws and is Gods 4th commandment which is linked into the creation week and is simply every "seventh day" of the week and unlike the annual ceremonial sabbaths connected only to the annual Feast days, it is Gods 4th commandment and is not dependent on the annual Feast days.

As posted earlier it is impossible for Gods' 10 commandments to be a shadow of anything because it points backwards and is a part of the "finished work of creation" *Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17). There was no sin and no law and no plan of salvation therefore "no shadow laws" from the old covenant because there was no old covenant when God made the Sabbath for all mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11. Gods 4th commandment points backwards because it is a memorial of the finished work of creation and the celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth...

Not sure why your having problems here. The scriptures make this very clear.
 
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It was not the ten only that gives the knowledge of moral right and wrong. And yes, I know you have acknowledged that before. But you keep putting that claim again and again that it is the ten, so I just note it again.

But more than that, the Sabbath was a sign with Israel IN ADDITION to the laws by which one lives:

Eze 20:11 I gave them my statutes and made known to them my rules, by which, if a person does them, he shall live.
Eze 20:12 Moreover, I gave them my Sabbaths, as a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.
Eze 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness. They did not walk in my statutes but rejected my rules, by which, if a person does them, he shall live; and my Sabbaths they greatly profaned. “Then I said I would pour out my wrath upon them in the wilderness, to make a full end of them.

Once again your trying to make strawman arguments no one is arguing about. Where did I ever post to you that there are not many moral laws outside of Gods' 10 commandments and if I have made no argument here why are you pretending that I have? All I see that your posting here is a distraction no one is arguing about. All I have ever posted is that it is Gods 10 commandments that the scriptures teach give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) according to the new covenant scriptures in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments according to the scriptures we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11.

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Ezekiel 20:11-13
[11], AND I GAVE THEM MY STATUTES, AND SHOWED THEM MY JUDGMENTS, WHICH IF A MAN DO, HE SHALL EVEN LIVE IN THEM.
[12], MOREOVER (Further more; continuing from what was stated in v11) ALSO I GAVE THEM MY SABBATHS, TO BE A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THEM, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD THAT SANCTIFY THEM (another reason the Sabbath was given to God’s people).
[13], But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

The rest of your post is repetition that we have already discussed elsewhere. As posted somewhere else to you the "addition" in Ezekiel 20:11-13 (you left out Ezekiel 20:11 which is important here) is that the Sabbath was not only one of Gods 10 commandments but it was also a sign to God's people that we as Gods' people worship the only true God of creation and it is our God who sanctifies us.

Gods Israel in the new covenant are no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who are now born of the Spirit according to Gods' new covenant promise *Romans 9:6-8; Romans 3:27-28; Galatians 3:27-28. If we are not a part of Gods' Israel in the new covenant we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise.

You seem to be missing this.
 
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So the Sabbath WAS a shadow sometimes? It is included in the list. You have to treat it the same as the others.
Sorry but I respectfully disagree. Who said you have to treat God's 4th commandment the same as the annual ceremonial sabbaths of the annual Feast days that are linked directly to the Feast days and not outside of the Feast days? According to the scriptures, Gods' 4th commandment is outside of the Feast days. This is not very hard. If there is simply no more Feast days there no more sabbaths in the annual Feast days. That does not mean that there is no more God's 4th commandment as Gods' 4th commandment which is not dependent on the annual Feast days like the other ceremonial sabbaths linked to the Feast days were. Gods' 4th commandment is outside and independent of the Feast days being every "seventh day" of the week as a memorial of creation that points backwards and is linked inside the creation week to creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth and was made before any shadow laws and before the Mosiac covenant of shadow laws that God made for all mankind according to Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Exodus 20:8-11.
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Actually Albion, let's be honest here. The scriptures teach no such thing. There is not a single scripture that says that Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments have been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest.
Your response...
@Albion just refuted as misinformation the falsehood that non Adventist churches have abolished the Sabbatine commandment or moved it. This is a historical fact.
Perhaps you should read what your posting from. How does what you have written here address what I posted to Albion? Yes it doesn't. Let me ask you the same question as asked earlier and give me an honest answer from the scriptures because there is not a single scripture that says that Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments have been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical that has led many to break Gods' 4th commandment of Gods' 10 commandments. Jesus says that if we choose to knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are now worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. If there is no scripture that says that Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest then if we knowingly break God's 4th commandment while following the man-made teaching and tradition of Sunday worship who do we now believe and follow; God or man?
LoveGodsWord said: The scripture says no such thing it says "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy." *Exodus 20:8 and that the "seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God" in Exodus 20:10. I suggest you re-read God's 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11.
Your response here...
No, that is merely the translation of the phrase by the KJV. What I wrote was semantically equivalent, since the honor of what is holy is equivalent to solemn remembrance. I find it strange you would object to such a minor difference of wording, which has no weight on the commandment’s meaning. Consider the Challoner Douai Rheims, which renders it as “Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.” which actually does have different semantics, because the syntactic structure of this English translation of the Vulgate suggests we are to remember to keep the day Holy, whereas the syntactic structure of the KJV, and the paraphrase I used, instead says that we are to keep the Sabbath Holy by the remembrance thereof. So, one can rewrite the KJV sentence without changing the semantics or even the words used as “To Keep the Sabbath day Holy, remember it”, and this rendering is syntactically equivalent to the KJV rendering, as well as all English translations of the LXX that I am aware of (the Lancelot Brenton Septuagint and the Orthodox Study Bible).
I am sorry but you are simply wrong here but allow me to show why I say this from the scriptures looking at both the Hebrew and the Greek and parallel translations of Exodus 20:8.

Hebrew

Exodus 20:8 זָכ֛וֹר֩ (H2142) לְקַדְּשֽׁ֗וֹ הַשַּׁבָּ֖֜ת י֥֨וֹם אֶת־
Exodus 20:8 zakar (H2142) shabbath yowm qadash qadash

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew & Thayer Greek Definitions - H2142
זכר; zâkar BDB Definition: 1) to remember, recall, call to mind 1a) (Qal) to remember, recall
1b) (Niphal) to be brought to remembrance, be remembered, be thought of, be brought to mind 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to cause to remember, remind 1c2) to cause to be remembered, keep in remembrance 1c3) to mention 1c4) to record 1c5) to make a memorial, make remembrance Part of Speech: verb

Greek
(Septuagint LXX)

Exodus 20:8 8 μνήσθητι (G3403) την ημέραν των σαββάτων αγιάζειν αυτήν

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew & Thayer Greek Definitions - G3403
μιμνήσκω mimnēskō Thayer Definition: 1) to remind 1a) to be recalled or to return to one's mind, to remind one's self of, to remember 1b) to be recalled to mind, to be remembered, had in remembrance 1c) to remember a thing 1d) be mindful of Part of Speech: verb

PARALLEL TRANSLATIONS OF EXODUS 20:8

New International Version
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

English Standard Version
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Berean Study Bible
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

King James Bible
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

New King James Version
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

New American Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

NASB 1995
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

NASB 1977
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Amplified Bible
Remember the Sabbath (seventh) day to keep it holy (set apart, dedicated to God).

Christian Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy:

American Standard Version
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Remember the day of the Sabbath for its holiness.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

Contemporary English Version
Remember that the Sabbath Day belongs to me.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.

English Revised Version
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

International Standard Version
"Remember to keep the Sabbath day holy.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Literal Standard Version
Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it;

NET Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day to set it apart as holy.

New Heart English Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

World English Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Young's Literal Translation
'Remember the Sabbath-day to sanctify it;

Christian Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy:

Contemporary English Version
Remember that the Sabbath Day belongs to me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"Remember the day of worship by observing it as a holy day.

International Standard Version
"Remember to keep the Sabbath day holy.

NET Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day to set it apart as holy.

New Heart English Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

World English Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

A Faithful Version
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

Darby Bible Translation
Remember the sabbath day to hallow it.

English Revised Version
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Webster's Bible Translation
Remember the sabbath-day to keep it holy.

Geneva Bible of 1587
Remember the Sabbath day, to keepe it holy.

Bishops' Bible of 1568
Remember the sabboth day that thou sanctifie it.

Coverdale Bible of 1535
Remembre the Sabbath daie, that thou sanctifie it.

Tyndale Bible of 1526
Remebre the Sabbath daye that thou sanctifie it.

Literal Standard Version
Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it;

Smith's Literal Translation
Remember the day of the Sabbath to consecrate it.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.

Catholic Public Domain Version
Remember that you are to sanctify the day of the Sabbath.

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
Remember the day of the Sabbath for its holiness.

Lamsa Bible
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

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God knew that mankind would forget His Sabbath hence God's 4th commandments starts off "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy." There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says that Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break Gods' 4th commandment to follow man-made teachings and traditions that are not biblical. Jesus warns us in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This begs the question for discussion if Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment and Jesus says by doing so we are not worshiping God; who are we worshiping? Fear God says the scriptures and give glory to Him for the hour of His judgement has come and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. "Remember" says God the Sabbath day to keep it holy *Exodus 20:8-11 which is God's 4th commandment of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:8-12; Revelation 18:1-5. It is time to leave the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God and return to the pure Word of God. The hour is come and now is that the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth because God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling us all where ever we might be back to His Word. God's sheep hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow because they are not His sheep according to the scriptures *John 10:26-27

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Perhaps you should read what your posting from. How does what you have written here address what I posted to Albion? Yes it doesn't. Let me ask you the same question as asked earlier and give me an honest answer from the scriptures because there is not a single scripture that says that Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments have been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical that has led many to break Gods' 4th commandment of Gods' 10 commandments. Jesus says that if we choose to knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are now worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. If there is no scripture that says that Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest then if we knowingly break God's 4th commandment while following the man-made teaching and tradition of Sunday worship who do we now believe and follow; God or man?

Your response here...

I am sorry but you are simply wrong here but allow me to show why I say this from the scriptures.

Hebrew

Exodus 20:8 זָכ֛וֹר֩ (H2142) לְקַדְּשֽׁ֗וֹ הַשַּׁבָּ֖֜ת י֥֨וֹם אֶת־
Exodus 20:8 zakar (H2142) shabbath yowm qadash qadash

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew & Thayer Greek Definitions - H2142
זכר; zâkar BDB Definition: 1) to remember, recall, call to mind 1a) (Qal) to remember, recall
1b) (Niphal) to be brought to remembrance, be remembered, be thought of, be brought to mind 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to cause to remember, remind 1c2) to cause to be remembered, keep in remembrance 1c3) to mention 1c4) to record 1c5) to make a memorial, make remembrance Part of Speech: verb

Greek
(Septuagint LXX)

Exodus 20:8 8 μνήσθητι (G3403) την ημέραν των σαββάτων αγιάζειν αυτήν

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew & Thayer Greek Definitions - G3403
μιμνήσκω mimnēskō Thayer Definition: 1) to remind 1a) to be recalled or to return to one's mind, to remind one's self of, to remember 1b) to be recalled to mind, to be remembered, had in remembrance 1c) to remember a thing 1d) be mindful of Part of Speech: verb

PARALLEL TRANSLATIONS OF EXODUS 20:8

New International Version
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

English Standard Version
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Berean Study Bible
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

King James Bible
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

New King James Version
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

New American Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

NASB 1995
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

NASB 1977
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Amplified Bible
Remember the Sabbath (seventh) day to keep it holy (set apart, dedicated to God).

Christian Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy:

American Standard Version
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Remember the day of the Sabbath for its holiness.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

Contemporary English Version
Remember that the Sabbath Day belongs to me.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.

English Revised Version
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

International Standard Version
"Remember to keep the Sabbath day holy.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Literal Standard Version
Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it;

NET Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day to set it apart as holy.

New Heart English Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

World English Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Young's Literal Translation
'Remember the Sabbath-day to sanctify it;

Christian Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy:

Contemporary English Version
Remember that the Sabbath Day belongs to me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"Remember the day of worship by observing it as a holy day.

International Standard Version
"Remember to keep the Sabbath day holy.

NET Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day to set it apart as holy.

New Heart English Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

World English Bible
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

A Faithful Version
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

Darby Bible Translation
Remember the sabbath day to hallow it.

English Revised Version
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Webster's Bible Translation
Remember the sabbath-day to keep it holy.

Geneva Bible of 1587
Remember the Sabbath day, to keepe it holy.

Bishops' Bible of 1568
Remember the sabboth day that thou sanctifie it.

Coverdale Bible of 1535
Remembre the Sabbath daie, that thou sanctifie it.

Tyndale Bible of 1526
Remebre the Sabbath daye that thou sanctifie it.

Literal Standard Version
Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it;

Smith's Literal Translation
Remember the day of the Sabbath to consecrate it.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day.

Catholic Public Domain Version
Remember that you are to sanctify the day of the Sabbath.

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
Remember the day of the Sabbath for its holiness.

Lamsa Bible
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

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God knew that mankind would forget His Sabbath hence God's 4th commandments starts off "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy." There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says that Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break Gods' 4th commandment to follow man-made teachings and traditions that are not biblical. Jesus warns us in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This begs the question for discussion if Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment and Jesus says by doing so we are not worshiping God; who are we worshiping? Fear God says the scriptures and give glory to Him for the hour of His judgement has come and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. "Remember" says God the Sabbath day to keep it holy *Exodus 20:8-11 which is God's 4th commandment of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:8-12; Revelation 18:1-5. It is time to leave the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God and return to the pure Word of God. The hour is come and now is that the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth because God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling us all where ever we might be back to His Word. God's sheep hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow because they are not His sheep according to the scriptures *John 10:26-27

Hope this is helpful.

Dude...

I don’t think you even understood what I wrote, or what the purpose was of my prior post, or else you’re not getting something, because you just compiled a vast array of translations which agree with my reading, that the commandment is that we are to make the Sabbath holy through its remembrance (by honoring it).
 
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This is an extremely valid point; the hyper-emphasis of the ten commandments when in fact, our Lord epitomized them into just two, the Summary of the Law and Prophets.

Not really. It is not a valid point at all. A quick showing of the scriptures reveals that when Jesus is quoting the two great commandments in Matthew 22:36-40 he is actually quoting from old testament scripture from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. This is a valid point because when Jesus is teaching is teaching that the two great commandments are to love God with all of our heart and soul and that the second great commandment is like unto it that is to love your neighbor as yourself he is stating that on these two great commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40). That is that love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed through obedience to Gods' law. So to claim you are loving God while breaking Gods' law when Jesus says on these two great commandments hang all the law and the prophets is to deny the very words of Jesus and Gods' Word. Paul says the same thing as Jesus but simply quotes those commandments in Gods' 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man in Romans 13:8-10 as does James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3.
 
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You would have to spell out your argument more. The LXX refers to the yearly as everlasting laws:

Lev 23:14 καὶ ἄρτον καὶ πεφρυγμένα χίδρα νέα οὐ φάγεσθε ἕως εἰς αὐτὴν τὴν ἡμέραν ταύτην, ἕως ἂν προσενέγκητε ὑμεῖς τὰ δῶρα τῷ θεῷ ὑμῶν· νόμιμον αἰώνιον εἰς τὰς γενεὰς ὑμῶν ἐν πάσῃ κατοικίᾳ ὑμῶν.

There is in the list of food and drink offerings for the appointed times, of which the Sabbath is one.

And there is for Ezekiel 45-46, which is the parallel to Col. 2

I see this is repetition and a strawman argument we discussed earlier. There is no problem here that I can see. As posted some time ago now, the laws for remission sins (Levitical Priesthood, the animal sacrifices and sin offerings, the earthly Sanctuary, circumcision, annual Feast days etc) are all "shadow laws" now fulfilled and CONTINUED in that to who they pointed to in Christ and His ministration on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitch and not man based on better promises under the new covenant *Hebrews 8:1-6 (see also Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22. I am not sure why you feel the need to continue to argue this btw as the new covenant scriptures make this very clear that these laws are all continued in Christ to who they pointed to. Unlike Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments however which cannot be a shadow law of anything as it is built into the seventh day of the creation week and points backwards to the finished work of creation, before sin and shadow laws existed and is linked into the "seventh day" of the creation week as a memorial of the finished work of creation that God made for all mankind *Mark 2:27 and a sign that he is our God and sanctifies us making the "seventh day" Sabbath of creation an everlasting covenant between God and His people that will be continued to be kept in the new earth *Isaiah 66:21-23.
 
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Dude...

I don’t think you even understood what I wrote, or what the purpose was of my prior post, or else you’re not getting something, because you just compiled a vast array of translations which agree with my reading, that the commandment is that we are to make the Sabbath holy through its remembrance (by honoring it).
Hmm no you didn't. You posted earlier....
Also, what the Sabbatine commandment actually says is “Honor the Sabbath and keep it Holy.” I believe this is accomplished through remembrance that Christ our God rested in a tomb on Saturday. I also believe it is meet and right for Christians where possible to worship on the entire Triduum, fasting on Wednesday and Friday, resting from the fast on the Sabbath, and on the First Day, celebrating the creation of the Universe and the Resurrection of our Christ, the two events which represent the supreme triumph of God over death.
The Exodus 20:8 says no such thing. As shown in post # 154 linked; both the Hebrew and the Greek as well as the majority of parallel translations of Exodus 20:8 disagree with you here. Your trying to change the meaning of scripture.

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Hmm no you didn't. You posted earlier....

The Exodus 20:8 says no such thing. As shown in post # 154 linked; both the Hebrew and the Greek as well as the majority of parallel translations of Exodus 20:8 disagree with you here. Your trying to change the meaning of scripture.

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How is falsely accusing me of seeking to change the meaning of scripture supposed to be helpful?
 
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How is falsely accusing me of seeking to change the meaning of scripture supposed to be helpful?
This poster was not falsely accusing you, you did change the sequence of the scripture, which does change the meaning. I do see in your posts frequently of falsely accusing SDA of this or that. Most recently your claim the SDA church does not understand sola scriptura just a few posts ago.
 
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