The Prophesies of Amos

eclipsenow said:

ALSO there are only 2 ages, not a third in-between "Millennium" age.
There is only "this age" and "The age to come" not some in-between state. The age to come is eternal, has no marriage, etc.

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Is this some half dispensational wisdom? What does no marriage have to do with the age after the Cross? Jesus said that before the Cross. You are not defining your ages very well.


If your only ages are pre-Cross and post Cross, marriages did not stop after the Cross. No, marriage was describing a place, not a time reference. Those resurrected were in Paradise during the current age of the church on earth, the last 1991 years. No marriage in Paradise. Marriage worked out just well on earth.

The fist age was before sin entered the world. Next age was from sin until the Flood. Then from the Flood until Abraham was called out by faith. At that point, the nations coming out of the Flood taught by Noah and his 3 sons the fathers of the nations, had totally forgotten God. Just like Pharoah, the Egyptians, and Israel had forgotten about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Was Mt. Sinai a new age, or a continuation from Abraham? Had Abraham not jumped the gun, it would have been. God seemed to have given 600 years to Ishmael leaving a lot of time missing in that age. We are not even told how Ishmael and his family enjoyed that age.

The 1400 years between Jericho and Jesus Christ were not that smooth either.


"For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed"

We have forgotten the Sabbath day. We have forgotten we only labor for 6 days. We have learned knowledge totally foreign to the whole of the Torah. The first five books of the Hebrew scriptures (the Pentateuch) is the Torah. What is the first book? It is not even the Law. It is the account of the beginning of creation. To separate the Creation account from the Law, already began way before Paul. Genesis was slowly being debunked by Greek knowledge otherwise know as science. Separating Genesis from the Law caused us to forget the Sabbath and forget we only have 6 days of labor. We have no credible beginning. We now have a universe that is billions of years old. We have tossed out God's Word for man's science. No wonder we reject the next age, God's Sabbath of 1000 years. We do not even accept the first Sabbath without sin. Satan stole the Torah from us and gave us human understanding instead.

Something for you to consider. According to the book of Acts Amos 9:11 was fulfilled when Christ came.

Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

keras said:

The writer of Acts is just reiterating Amos's Prophecy; NOT saying it was fulfilled.
Proved by Acts 15:16-17, obviously not happened yet. Or Amos 9:13-15

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Simeon declares that God has chosen the gentiles at Simeon’s present time. This is exactly what the prophets said would happen.

Hopefully you can see that the tabernacle of David is a people and not a building.

Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

Douggg said:

I did not make the verses you quoted go away. You are just misapplying what was being said.

The verses you quoted were not interpreting Zechariah 14:9-19. They did contain a message, but the message was not that there would be no millennial rule by Jesus with a rod of iron.

The verses in Zechariah 14:9-19 are not metaphorical, but literal.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

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YOU just assume they are literal - without studying how many of these ancient Hebrew images in prophetic literature are actually symbolic - and then just IGNORE and REINSERT your copy and paste without once REALLY reading how the NT interprets the OT "Day of the Lord" passages.

If we don't hold to how the NT interprets the old, we may as well cut the NT out of our bibles and become Jews.

But if we hold to how the NT says Jesus fulfilled the roles of prophet, priest, and king, it also shows how he fulfils OT sacrifices, temple, land, symbols and rituals. See Matthew Henry's Commentary for an example of how this works. On Zechariah 14:16 - 21

keras said:

As many other prophesies tell us that there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem, then no; I do not see Amos 9:11 as a people.

The 'they', in Amos 9:12, is obviously the people called by My Name. The Christian peoples.
Who will, after the Lord has cleared and cleansed all of the holy Land, possess Edom and the entire area from the Nile to the Euphrates.

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How is that God will do anything with earthly jerusalem and the Jews when he said in Amos 8 that he was finished with those people forever?

Amo 8:2 (KJV) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

Logic says that this happened when Jesus took the kingdom of God from the Jews and gave it another nation but I’m pretty sure you don’t see it that way. In your opinion when will Amos 8 be fulfilled?

eclipsenow said:

YOU just assume they are literal - without studying how many of these ancient Hebrew images in prophetic literature are actually symbolic - and then just IGNORE and REINSERT your copy and paste without once REALLY reading how the NT interprets the OT "Day of the Lord" passages.

If we don't hold to how the NT interprets the old, we may as well cut the NT out of our bibles and become Jews.

But if we hold to how the NT says Jesus fulfilled the roles of prophet, priest, and king, it also shows how he fulfils OT sacrifices, temple, land, symbols and rituals. See Matthew Henry's Commentary for an example of how this works. On Zechariah 14:16 - 21

They shall go up to worship at Jerusalem, because that was the place which God had chosen, and there the temple was, which was a type of Christ and his mediation. Converting grace sets us right, 1. In the object of our worship. They shall no longer worship the Molochs and Baals, the kings and lords, that the Gentiles worship, the creatures of their own imagination, but the King, the Lord of hosts, the everlasting King, the King of kings, the sovereign Lord of all. 2. In the ordinances of worship, those which God himself has appointed. Gospel-worship is here represented by the keeping of the feast of tabernacles, for the sake of those two great graces which were in a special manner acted and signified in that feast-contempt of the world, and joy in God, Neh. 8:17. The life of a good Christian is a constant feast of tabernacles, and, in all acts of devotion, we must retire from the world and rejoice in the Lord, must worship as in that feast. 3. In the Mediator of our worship; we must go to Christ our temple with all our offerings, for in him only our spiritual sacrifices are acceptable to God, 1 Pet. 2:5. If we rest in ourselves, we come short of pleasing God; we must go up to him, and mention his righteousness only. 4. In the time of it; we must be constant. They shall go up from year to year, at the times appointed for this solemn feast. Every day of a Christian’s life is a day of the feast of tabernacles, and every Lord’s day especially (that is the great day of the feast); and therefore every day we must worship the Lord of hosts and every Lord’s day with a peculiar solemnity.
Verses 16–21 - Matthew Henry's Commentary - Bible Gateway​

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Matthew Henry's commentary is appalling. Matthew Henry obviously had no understanding of Zechariah 14. No one should listen to a thing he wrote on.

Egypt to be punished if it does not send representatives for the feast of tabernacles and the rest of the nations likewise is not metaphorical.

keras said:

I do agree.
The Jews are finished in God's eyes, but a remnant will be saved. They will be those few Jews who have accepted Jesus now. Romans 9:27

The 'nation' who has the Promise of inheriting the Kingdom, are the Christian peoples; from every tribe, race, nation and language. Rev 5:9
WE have produced the 'fruit' of the good works, by our Christian missions.
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I agree with that pretty much except that I believe the 'nation' also included Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Jeremiah too. Those people were Christians also and under the bondage of the flesh descendants.

That's why I said that the tabernacle of David is a people, God's people and not a physical building. The reference to David's throne is a reference to Christ's throne which is in the true temple of God - the believer.