How do you trust God when He doesnt help?

Macchiato · Jul 26, 2021

Godbehonored said:
You are not alone in your sufferings. Many of us first generation Christians have struggled with our own family members and been hurt badly by them. I struggled with my family for almost a decade before God shifted the spiritual atmosphere from a spiritually oppressive to a peaceful one.

God is much more sympathetic to your situation than any of us can show on here. The death of His Son Jesus for you is the evidence of that. Don’t let life circumstances affect your belief in this fact.

The ungodly attitude your family members are showing you is because of Satan. He persecutes God’s people through close relationships, so be very careful who you allow into your life. If your parents are atheistic or worship other false gods, Satan will stir up irrational anger and hatred in them towards you and your faith. Persecution of God’s people has never stopped, you are one of the many written in the Bible who had to face bad treatment because of your faith. This is actually something to be rejoiced, because persecution is the mark of true faith.

This is not going to change overnight, but if you pray for the salvation of those who are ill-treating you and choose to forgive them, God will work behind the scenes to remove the satanic influences overshadowing their attitudes towards you. That was what happened to me. My father actually told me that there were dark shadows (most definitely demonic forces) influencing him when he was persecuting me for my faith, even when he was atheistic.

Whether your parents will be saved depends also on whether they will yield to God’s influence, but He will provide a way out of your persecution eventually if you don’t give up.

Thanks. Ill definitely keep this in mind.

Macchiato · Jul 26, 2021

aiki said:
It was full of offences toward God which God very directly and aggressively condemned in everybody who questioned Him. Read the last five chapters of Job.

Im not blaming God just asking why hes not helping. Im asking a question.

Godbehonored · Jul 26, 2021

Macchiato said:
Im not blaming God just asking why hes not helping. Im asking a question.

Both Jesus and His apostles said in the Gospel and letters that we will suffer tribulation in this world because we seek a different kingdom that is full of righteousness. How the world treated Jesus when He was on earth will be how we will be treated, in varying degrees.

The modern day teachings of the institutionalised church don’t prepare believers for the sufferings of being Christians, but the early church under the apostles are prepared every day under the teachings and examples of the apostles. Our mandate is to triumph under suffering, as a test of our faith, and God will carry us through them. The suffering in this life is temporal, the blessings that await the faithful is permanent.

Marumorose · Jul 26, 2021

Macchiato said:
My home situation isnt good at all. I try my hardest in my own strength to do what i can to move. I work, i search out the apt, set money aside, but Im.now realizing i habe really toxic parents.

Im always obligated to help financially and dont have much to save and rarely get paid back. Im not respected at home. Not as mother or in general ( see threads-- brother threw toy at my baby and my mom let my daughter sit in poop bc she was mad at me) if i try to stand up for myself and children Im threatened with being put out. Food I buy gets eaten, everyone drives my car, i put gas in but it comes back empty my dad argued with me last week abt why he doesnt need to put gas in.

Yet when I find a guy who I think would be a good partner and try to move in with him to leave my parents. God gives me warnings ...so thats not his will either.

Does God really want me to stay with toxic people that disrespect me on the daily bases? Why doesnt God want me to leave? Why doesnt he help me ( I do all i can to help myself such as working ect.. Then my parents sabatoge my job or something crazy like my car getting wrecked in an accident happens. I have no friends to room with..)

It just makes it hard to trust God when it seems like he wants me to suffer and not be happy at all. Ive never got the desires of my heart even when serving God. I never got friends that stick closer than a brother. Someone that isnt messed up or as toxic as my parents to love and be loved by. Im not asking for a million dollars just simple things and now I just want to get away from my parents.

Im working and trying to save but it seems fruitless.[/QUOTE
God does not want to suffer but he wants you to be a better person in a better state of mind.
You need to show more love to those that make you miserable so that you can receive mercy from God. You are trying to run away instead of overcoming your trials and tribulations.
Firstly. Thank God for every good thing in your life
Secondly. Pray to God to soften the hearts of your parents
Thirdly. Remember that like attracts like. Make sure you are not making anyone miserable
Fourthly. Read the Psalms 9 everyday
May God Bless you

Jamdoc · Jul 26, 2021

Godbehonored said:
After the LORD had spoken these words to Job, He said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and your two friends. For you have not spoken about Me accurately, as My servant Job has. So now, take seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. Then My servant Job will pray for you, for I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. For you have not spoken accurately about Me, as My servant Job has.” - Job 42:7-8

A sin offering was needed for the folly of Job’s friends, but the same offering was not required of Job’s “God-blaming”.

In fact, God continued to acknowledge Job as “My servant” even after all the bitterness Job poured out about his suffering. Clearly God’s opinion of Job’s tirade is different from yours. Are you sure you have read the book of Job?

God did tell Satan to torment Job, so God was owning His own responsibility in Job's suffering.
He just had a good reason for it, and it's His creation His rules so He has the right to do it.

But yes, Job was correct in attributing God to being the author of His pain, because God is the author of everything, it's an acknowledgement of sovereignty.
Job just didn't know why, and he had arrogance in demanding to know. That was what God rebuked him over.

aiki · Jul 26, 2021

Macchiato said:
Im not blaming God just asking why hes not helping. Im asking a question.

And I asked you a series of questions the answers to which might give you some clarity on your situation. I also pointed out simple, basic facts about God and about living as one of His children. My goal was not to argue with you but to point to the truth. Sometimes, the truth is not what we want; it doesn't care about our feelings but about what is true, what the facts of a matter actually are. Do I do you any favors by encouraging you to focus on what you feel rather than on what is true? I don't think so.

Others might want to take a "Oh, you poor thing!" approach with you. Okay. I don't think that is ultimately very helpful but, to each their own. It's interesting, though, that the sympathetic folk very quickly lose their sympathy for those who aren't as sympathetic as they are. This makes me wonder what the source of their sympathy really is.

Anyway, I wrote to you, not to beat you down, but to point you in a direction that I believe will ultimately lead you to walking stably, under the flow of God's blessing, and joyful in Him no matter your circumstances.

Vinter · Jul 26, 2021

Macchiato said:
Im not moving in with him. I let him go and tht was so hrd to do bc he showed more care and concern than my parents and im back at square 1. Im.not blaming God. I know the decisions I made but Im just asking for help that's all.

Your boyfriend was he a Christian? If he was good to you why did you let him go?
I am asking because I am curious. No bashing. I just get the impression you have hard time and you are hard on yourself too.

Subject to God · Jul 26, 2021

Gloria in excelsis Deo!
It is good that you seek help.
I know your pain, God is good.
Only God is good. People can act good though, and that is pleasant.
There are examples of good people in the bible.
Keep on fighting the good fight.
Filling up the gas and lending out the car is a blessing to your family, dont forget that.
Bless those who curse you.
Bless and curse not, for you are yourself called to inherit blessings.
And finally. The powerful one:
Do not repay evil with evil, but overcome evil with good.
Keep fighting.
If you fix your gaze on Jesus you will not grow weary.

Because you wrote you regret that you didnt marry the father before having a baby,
id like to help you, please initiate a conversation.

Yours truly in Christ our redeemer. Øyvind. Norway.

coffee4u · Jul 26, 2021

Macchiato said:
Thank you. Im not blaming God at all. I kno. Good portion if this is my fault. Im just asking where is God now. Thats all. Im just not going to share my issues here anymore. I do it bc i genuinely have no one else to talk to but i know better now.

I pray that things will improve in your life.
God can and will work things out in his own time, but we hamper his working by our sin. We make our own lives worse and more complicated when it was never God's fault. This is why God gave us guidelines to live by because going outside of them can cause us grief and hardship. If you have stopped blaming God (your first post appears to be) then this is a step in the right direction, but always recognize the way out is not more sin. Even if sin like moving in with a bf seems like an escape, this will again cause more consequences.

I would see if you can get a locked saving account and keep very little cash on you. Try and be as kind and as non noticeable around your parents as you can be. And see if a church can't help you if you have no other family or friends.

Most people here are trying to help but that may not always come across in text. We have all done things that landed us in some kind of hot water over the years, no one is perfect. At the same time we also don't want to try and say your choices had no effect on where you are now, because they did. So mentioning this is not to judge you but to say, hey watch out for those pot holes, we don't want you to stumble down another one.

MikeinSeattle · Jul 27, 2021

When I first became a christian I would pray for things and wonder why they didnt happen. Now after 10 years of praying, I have seen God do the thing I ask Him to do many times. After studying the bible about prayer and listing to many many different teachers on the subject I have learned that answering the question of why a prayer is unanswered is an extremely difficult thing to do because there are many many many different things that affect the situation. The spiritual realm is complicated. And you really have to understand how it works before you can begin to understand all the variables that come into play that decide what happens when a person prays for something.

Unfortunately we are living in a time where this knowledge is not at all easy to attain. You basically have to open the bible and read through it page by page and meditate on everything it says about prayer until you are able to begin to start piecing everything together. Either that or you have to find someone who can teach you. Honestly I think the first option is by far the easier one. We are living in a time in which it is hard to find one person in any church you go to that knows how to pray and sees God answer there prayers.

I can tell you this. Jesus loves you. He hears every request you make. And He DOES answer every one. He may answer in a small way just to show you that He hears you or He may give you exactly what you ask for. It depends more than anything how long you spend persistently asking for the same thing every day. If you pray for the same thing 3 times a day every day for a month you will see God answer you in a powerful way. If its a small thing you will almost certainly get what you are asking for. A good job offer is a fairly small thing. If its a bigger thing (a good husband). You will probably need to pray for six months instead of a month or maybe even longer. If you sin a lot it will greatly affect how much power your prayer has. If you fast your prayer will have A LOT more power. Again there are many things that affect it. Most Christians pray with so little consistency and effort that they do not even notice the answer God gives.

Do not lose heart. We may start in a bad place. I started in a very bad place and it has been a very long battle for me. I have been near death many times it has been so difficult. But if you faithfully follow the Lord He will bring you to a brighter and brighter day as you live your life. And nothing is impossible if you seek Him in prayer for it. Many people have already given you sound advise. It sounds like you should get away from the people ruining your life. Try to find a loving family who can take you in if at all possible as this is the best option. Type an email explaining your situation and asking if they can help you with a place to live at least temporarily send it to 10 churches a day. All the churches in your area. You are called to love your neighbor as yourself. That means equal giving to others as to yourself. You are not called to let people around you slowly drain you of the strength you need to live.

Above all remember you need Gods favor on your life to move forward. You must stick to Him like glue even when you feel like God is crushing you. Trust Him. You must trust Him. If you want to know how to have Gods favor on your life go into my previous posts and read the replys I have given to other people in the prayer wall. I am trying to give a little bit of what I have learned from the scriptures in each post I make.

Where is God when life is hell? He is right beside you. Holding you up. Teaching you slowly how to walk in His ways with His favor and blessing. Bringing you to a brighter and brighter tomorrow.

praying**

Lord help this person I am writing to to trust You and give You all there life unconditionally. May the trials be purifying that teaches them to find there peace and joy in you. May the trials bring them closer to you not farther away. And help them Lord to do the wisest thing they can do in there current situation. Set them on the path of blessing that trust in You is. In Jesus Name.

Subject to God · Jul 27, 2021

MikeinSeattle said:
When I first became a christian I would pray for things and wonder why they didnt happen. Now after 10 years of praying, I have seen God do the thing I ask Him to do many times. After studying the bible about prayer and listing to many many different teachers on the subject I have learned that answering the question of why a prayer is unanswered is an extremely difficult thing to do because there are many many many different things that affect the situation. The spiritual realm is complicated. And you really have to understand how it works before you can begin to understand all the variables that come into play that decide what happens when a person prays for something.

Unfortunately we are living in a time where this knowledge is not at all easy to attain. You basically have to open the bible and read through it page by page and meditate on everything it says about prayer until you are able to begin to start piecing everything together. Either that or you have to find someone who can teach you. Honestly I think the first option is by far the easier one. We are living in a time in which it is hard to find one person in any church you go to that knows how to pray and sees God answer there prayers.

I can tell you this. Jesus loves you. He hears every request you make. And He DOES answer every one. He may answer in a small way just to show you that He hears you or He may give you exactly what you ask for. It depends more than anything how long you spend persistently asking for the same thing every day. If you pray for the same thing 3 times a day every day for a month you will see God answer you in a powerful way. If its a small thing you will almost certainly get what you are asking for. A good job offer is a fairly small thing. If its a bigger thing (a good husband). You will probably need to pray for six months instead of a month or maybe even longer. If you sin a lot it will greatly affect how much power your prayer has. If you fast your prayer will have A LOT more power. Again there are many things that affect it. Most Christians pray with so little consistency and effort that they do not even notice the answer God gives.

Do not lose heart. We may start in a bad place. I started in a very bad place and it has been a very long battle for me. I have been near death many times it has been so difficult. But if you faithfully follow the Lord He will bring you to a brighter and brighter day as you live your life. And nothing is impossible if you seek Him in prayer for it. Many people have already given you sound advise. It sounds like you should get away from the people ruining your life. Try to find a loving family who can take you in if at all possible as this is the best option. Type an email explaining your situation and asking if they can help you with a place to live at least temporarily send it to 10 churches a day. All the churches in your area. You are called to love your neighbor as yourself. That means equal giving to others as to yourself. You are not called to let people around you slowly drain you of the strength you need to live.

Above all remember you need Gods favor on your life to move forward. You must stick to Him like glue even when you feel like God is crushing you. Trust Him. You must trust Him. If you want to know how to have Gods favor on your life go into my previous posts and read the replys I have given to other people in the prayer wall. I am trying to give a little bit of what I have learned from the scriptures in each post I make.

Where is God when life is hell? He is right beside you. Holding you up. Teaching you slowly how to walk in His ways with His favor and blessing. Bringing you to a brighter and brighter tomorrow.

praying**

Lord help this person I am writing to to trust You and give You all there life unconditionally. May the trials be purifying that teaches them to find there peace and joy in you. May the trials bring them closer to you not farther away. And help them Lord to do the wisest thing they can do in there current situation. Set them on the path of blessing that trust in You is. In Jesus Name.

Gloria in excelsis Deo!
Way to go Mike!
Listen people, listen to Mike here.
Beautiful
I thank my God for you and your help to this lady.
God bless you Mike. in Jesu name.

God is good.

Gloria in excelsis Deo!

carolina16 · Jul 27, 2021

I´m in the same, very many times God didn´t answer. If you try to pray to the Holy Spirit?

Halbhh · Jul 27, 2021

Macchiato said:
My home situation isnt good at all. I try my hardest in my own strength to do what i can to move. I work, i search out the apt, set money aside, but Im.now realizing i habe really toxic parents.

Im always obligated to help financially and dont have much to save and rarely get paid back. Im not respected at home. Not as mother or in general ( see threads-- brother threw toy at my baby and my mom let my daughter sit in poop bc she was mad at me) if i try to stand up for myself and children Im threatened with being put out. Food I buy gets eaten, everyone drives my car, i put gas in but it comes back empty my dad argued with me last week abt why he doesnt need to put gas in.

Yet when I find a guy who I think would be a good partner and try to move in with him to leave my parents. God gives me warnings ...so thats not his will either.

Does God really want me to stay with toxic people that disrespect me on the daily bases? Why doesnt God want me to leave? Why doesnt he help me ( I do all i can to help myself such as working ect.. Then my parents sabatoge my job or something crazy like my car getting wrecked in an accident happens. I have no friends to room with..)

It just makes it hard to trust God when it seems like he wants me to suffer and not be happy at all. Ive never got the desires of my heart even when serving God. I never got friends that stick closer than a brother. Someone that isnt messed up or as toxic as my parents to love and be loved by. Im not asking for a million dollars just simple things and now I just want to get away from my parents.

Im working and trying to save but it seems fruitless.

We will sometimes suffer for Christ because we are Christian, but there is another kind of suffering that most of us will experience (and you might be there, or not): that we be pushed to learn to believe/rely on God in a more total faith way: to help us get there we may suffer intensely enough that we finally turn to God in desperation enough to pray in a total way, to cry out for help. As if you were falling off a cliff: that total way. But one could get that help sooner, before that kind of desperation gets more intense, by praying with faith (one has to believe God will, Mark chapter 11) the prayer Christ gave us to pray each day, in Matthew chapter 6, where we ask for the most key things we all need (and has depth in the words of this prayer we may not get at first glance):

As He said to us, the most needed prayer for us:
Matthew 6 NIV second section

Sketcher · Jul 29, 2021

Macchiato said:
My home situation isnt good at all. I try my hardest in my own strength to do what i can to move. I work, i search out the apt, set money aside, but Im.now realizing i habe really toxic parents.

Im always obligated to help financially and dont have much to save and rarely get paid back. Im not respected at home. Not as mother or in general ( see threads-- brother threw toy at my baby and my mom let my daughter sit in poop bc she was mad at me) if i try to stand up for myself and children Im threatened with being put out. Food I buy gets eaten, everyone drives my car, i put gas in but it comes back empty my dad argued with me last week abt why he doesnt need to put gas in.

Yet when I find a guy who I think would be a good partner and try to move in with him to leave my parents. God gives me warnings ...so thats not his will either.

Does God really want me to stay with toxic people that disrespect me on the daily bases? Why doesnt God want me to leave? Why doesnt he help me ( I do all i can to help myself such as working ect.. Then my parents sabatoge my job or something crazy like my car getting wrecked in an accident happens. I have no friends to room with..)

It just makes it hard to trust God when it seems like he wants me to suffer and not be happy at all. Ive never got the desires of my heart even when serving God. I never got friends that stick closer than a brother. Someone that isnt messed up or as toxic as my parents to love and be loved by. Im not asking for a million dollars just simple things and now I just want to get away from my parents.

Im working and trying to save but it seems fruitless.

Why do you need to move in with a guy? Why can't you move in with another woman seeking a roommate?

SeventhFisherofMen · Aug 1, 2021

Macchiato said:
My home situation isnt good at all. I try my hardest in my own strength to do what i can to move. I work, i search out the apt, set money aside, but Im.now realizing i habe really toxic parents.

Im always obligated to help financially and dont have much to save and rarely get paid back. Im not respected at home. Not as mother or in general ( see threads-- brother threw toy at my baby and my mom let my daughter sit in poop bc she was mad at me) if i try to stand up for myself and children Im threatened with being put out. Food I buy gets eaten, everyone drives my car, i put gas in but it comes back empty my dad argued with me last week abt why he doesnt need to put gas in.

Yet when I find a guy who I think would be a good partner and try to move in with him to leave my parents. God gives me warnings ...so thats not his will either.

Does God really want me to stay with toxic people that disrespect me on the daily bases? Why doesnt God want me to leave? Why doesnt he help me ( I do all i can to help myself such as working ect.. Then my parents sabatoge my job or something crazy like my car getting wrecked in an accident happens. I have no friends to room with..)

It just makes it hard to trust God when it seems like he wants me to suffer and not be happy at all. Ive never got the desires of my heart even when serving God. I never got friends that stick closer than a brother. Someone that isnt messed up or as toxic as my parents to love and be loved by. Im not asking for a million dollars just simple things and now I just want to get away from my parents.

Im working and trying to save but it seems fruitless.

@Macchiato That is tough. Find a way to save your money in a diff bank account, don't give up your money. I pray Jesus helps you get out of that toxic environment and helps set you free from the fowler's snare in Jesus Name Amen! Find a place keep praying don't give up Jesus will set you free. Don't give in to your parent's toxicity keep trying. If you need someone to talk to you can DM me I will pray when asked.

As someone who had to live with my Mom who was toxic and threatened to kick me out every time I got in an argument I finally moved out God did answer my prayers and He will answer yours!

Jeffwhosoever · Aug 1, 2021

Subject to God said:
Gloria in excelsis Deo!
It is good that you seek help.
I know your pain, God is good.
Only God is good. People can act good though, and that is pleasant.
There are examples of good people in the bible.
Keep on fighting the good fight.
Filling up the gas and lending out the car is a blessing to your family, dont forget that.
Bless those who curse you.
Bless and curse not, for you are yourself called to inherit blessings.
And finally. The powerful one:
Do not repay evil with evil, but overcome evil with good.
Keep fighting.
If you fix your gaze on Jesus you will not grow weary.

Because you wrote you regret that you didnt marry the father before having a baby,
id like to help you, please initiate a conversation.

Yours truly in Christ our redeemer. Øyvind. Norway.

Well said! Thanks for helping her.

Jeffwhosoever · Aug 1, 2021

Let's all bear in mind that Macchiato is in a very difficult place and is asking for helpful advice, so let us all be constructive and mindful of her circumstances. A lot of people would be doing a lot worse in this situation, so perhaps let's giver her some respect and also understanding and a bit of admiration for fighting hard to find the right road to take in a dire situation. She might have a few mistaken ideas such as moving in with a guy prior to marriage, but in general she is trying to do the right thing amid tough living conditions, so I will simply say that I will pray for you to find God's will for your life and get going in the right direction as soon as practical, but in the mean time, focus in Scripture. When I was in a tough spot at work in very different circumstances, reading Proverbs and Psalms helped me daily. Most of all, read Romans 8:1.

NothingIsImpossible · Aug 5, 2021

God always has plans. Sometimes the suffering we go through is for a reason down the road. Does this mean He wants us to suffer? No. But whatever goes on, trust in Him. And when you can, get out of that situation. Trust me, having toxic parent(s) will eat up most of your time until your older and realized you could have spent alot more time in life not having to think about them.

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