Question for people who reject intercessory with Saints

bbbbbbb said:

Absolutely correct. Therefore, Jesus is our great high priest who always lives to make intercession for His people. Please read the book of Hebrews for a glorious description of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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So we should not ask people to pray for us?

Not David said:

So we should not ask people to pray for us?

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I won't stop people from doing that at all, especially if they volunteer to pray for me. However, whether or not their prayers are answered is hardly as sure as knowing that Jesus Christ Himself hears the prayers of His people and intercedes directly with God the Father for them.

bbbbbbb said:

Absolutely correct.

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about the experience of being in the presence of Jesus?

bbbbbbb said:

Therefore, Jesus is our great high priest

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Because of the way His presence makes sinners feel?

bbbbbbb said:

Please read the book of Hebrews for a glorious description of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Book of Hebrews? Does that book mention what it's like to be in Jesus' presence?

Eloy Craft said:

about the experience of being in the presence of Jesus?

Because of the way His presence makes sinners feel?


Book of Hebrews? Does that book mention what it's like to be in Jesus' presence?

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It does.

Hebrews 12:14 Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled; 16 that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. 17 For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears.

18 For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, 19 and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. 20 For they could not bear the command, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.” 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am full of fear and trembling.” 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

25 See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven. 26 And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heaven.” 27 This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is a consuming fire.

GospelS said:

Did anyone do such intercessory in the scripture?

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And Rom 8:26 that the Spirit Himself INTERCEDES for us with Groaning not to be expressed in words .

And Rom 8:27 is another good verse ,

dan p

GospelS said:

Did anyone do such intercessory in the scripture?

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No one celebrated Christmas in the scriptures. Surely we’re not limited to only do what was done in the scriptures.

BNR32FAN said:

No one celebrated Christmas in the scriptures. Surely we’re not limited to only do what was done in the scriptures.

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Nobody exploded nuclear bombs, either. You open quite a Pandora's box with your statement.

BNR32FAN said:

No one celebrated Christmas in the scriptures. Surely we’re not limited to only do what was done in the scriptures.

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Automobiles aren't mentioned in Scripture either. Neither are a car, TVs, cell phones, etc. yet we use these every day. None of them are mentioned in Scripture, so we’re not limited to only do what was done in the scriptures

GospelS said:

I’m pretty sure Stephen is a true believer in Christ. So it doesn’t matter whether he is canonized or not.

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Yeah he was a martyr which is pretty much the ultimate proof of being a saint.

pescador said:

Automobiles aren't mentioned in Scripture either. Neither are a car, TVs, cell phones, etc. yet we use these every day. None of them are mentioned in Scripture, so we’re not limited to only do what was done in the scriptures

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It is a slippery slope, indeed, from areas of technology to areas of faith and morals.

bbbbbbb said:

Nobody exploded nuclear bombs, either. You open quite a Pandora's box with your statement.

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There’s nothing to suggest that exploding nuclear bombs is forbidden in the scriptures.

BNR32FAN said:

Yeah he was a martyr which is pretty much the ultimate proof of being a saint.

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Martyrdom is the ultimate proof of being a saint? What about all those who die a natural death?

The only proof is being a saint is if you have been born again and accepted Christ as your savior. Dying for your belief is tragic but not proof of anything.

Dan Perez said:

And Rom 8:26 that the Spirit Himself INTERCEDES for us with Groaning not to be expressed in words .

And Rom 8:27 is another good verse ,

dan p

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The Holy Spirit is God, Dan, not a saint.

bbbbbbb said:

It is a slippery slope, indeed, from areas of technology to areas of faith and morals.

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It's a "slippery slope" from using automobiles and cell phones to struggling with faith and morals? Really? How about using computers and participating in electronic forums? Are we all doomed because of our participation in these discussions?

pescador said:

Martyrdom is the ultimate proof of being a saint? What about all those who die a natural death?

The only proof is being a saint is if you have been born again and accepted Christ as your savior. Dying for your belief is tragic but not proof of anything.

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In the early church dying as a martyr for your faith in Christ was considered the ultimate proof of one’s faith. This is exactly what Stephan did according to the scriptures.

BNR32FAN said:

In the early church dying as a martyr for your faith in Christ was considered the ultimate proof of one’s faith. This is exactly what Stephan did according to the scriptures.

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It's the 21st Century. What difference does it make if the early church believed that martyrdom was the ultimate proof of one’s faith?

Also, what does this have to do with the OP?

pescador said:

It's the 21st Century. What difference does it make if the early church believed that martyrdom was the ultimate proof of one’s faith?

Also, what does this have to do with the OP?

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Stephen didn’t live in the 21st century. The difference it makes is it supports @GospelS ‘s statement that he was a saint. I didn’t quote the OP in my post pertaining to Stephen.

pescador said:

It's the 21st Century. What difference does it make if the early church believed that martyrdom was the ultimate proof of one’s faith?

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For one thing, no one knows for a certainty who has gone to heaven and who has not. That's in God's hands although the Church makes reasonable guesses about it (and occasionally, mistaken ones, too).

But a person who gives his life rather than renounce Christ as his Lord and Savior is a good bet to be among the saints in heaven. In fact, such a person is even more likely to be among the saints than some of the most famous and admired figures in Christian history for the reason that this (martyrdom) is the last thing he does in this life and he cannot, therefore, fall away later on!

BNR32FAN said:

Stephen didn’t live in the 21st century. The difference it makes is it supports @GospelS ‘s statement that he was a saint. I didn’t quote the OP in my post pertaining to Stephen.

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But the OP, the subject of the thread, is [a] question for people who reject intercessory [prayer] with saints. A saint is a sanctified person regardless of when s/he lived (or is living). All Christians are "saints", i.e., sanctified.

pescador said:

But the OP, the subject of the thread, is [a] question for people who reject intercessory [prayer] with saints. A saint is a sanctified person regardless of when s/he lived (or is living). All Christians are "saints", i.e., sanctified.

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That's one use of the word, yes, but surely you know that it's the other use that is the focus of discussion here.