So what comes first, being a sheep or believing?I'll tell you what I see. That those who decide to believe Jesus is the Messiah are his sheep. Those who deny him are the goats. The purpose is not to describe that a sheep is always a sheep or a goat always a goat.
He looked quite alive to me.He was a son, but a dead son.
I am a truck driver.Sorry for OT. If it's not too personal, what do you do for a living?
I am a truck driver.
You're missing the whole point of the Gospel. If you believe that the crucifixion is God's wrath on display, then you believe scripture is saying God crucified the Christ in His anger.I’ll stop you there. I never said that God got pleasure from crushing His Son. I quoted scripture.
You could liken it to a parent who disciplines his child. While it’s not pleasant on one hand, it is on the other because of the good that comes out of it.
He looked quite alive to me.
So what comes first, being a sheep or believing?
I’m a trainer so I sit in the passenger seat most of the time.I wonder because I see you here quite a lot. I work part time as a personal/healthcare assistant. That's why you see me here all the time.
Nope. God’s wrath is holy. He hates sin. So His wrath is because He loves His holiness.You're missing the whole point of the Gospel. If you believe that the crucifixion is God's wrath on display, then you believe scripture is saying God crucified the Christ in His anger.
You don’t think that was figurative? The son was gone and for all intents and purposes, he was dead as far as the father knew.But we had to celebrate and rejoice, for this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found.’”
— Luke 15:32
Jesus says His sheep hear His voice. Wouldn’t that indicate that one must be a sheep to hear Him?I believe simultaneously, if you mean "saving faith".
You don’t think that was figurative? The son was gone and for all intents and purposes, he was dead as far as the father knew.
That's not the Gospel at all. The Gospel is about forgiving sin not crucifying sinners. Here is what Jesus preached about His Father, the Real Holy God.Nope. God’s wrath is holy. He hates sin. So His wrath is because He loves His holiness.
Okay. God doesn’t punish sin.That's not the Gospel at all. The Gospel is about forgiving sin not punishing sin. Here is what Jesus preached about His Father, the Holy and living God.
23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellow servant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Seriously, The Gospel is about forgiving sin, not crucifying sinners. Just look at the the Our Father prayer that Jesus taught us..Okay. God doesn’t punish sin.
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And the only way to forgive sin is to have Christ bear the punishment for sin. He became sin.Seriously, The Gospel is about forgiving sin, not crucifying sinners. Just look at the the Our Father prayer that Jesus taught us..
Jesus says His sheep hear His voice. Wouldn’t that indicate that one must be a sheep to hear Him?
Don’t you have to hear first before you believe?That is how it is with true believers, they hear Jesus and they follow him.