Unvaccinated Americans not changing their behavior, report finds

LeafByNiggle said:

I am fully vaccinated and I hope that everyone who is eligible gets vaccinated too. However I don't think this tribal trash talking helps matters at all. If anything it encourages those who are hesitant to harden their position even more. It would be better if we tried to empathize with their doubts and try to allay those doubts with reason.

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So how should we go about this?

Hammster said:

Are you saying that vaccinated people cannot get and spread the virus?

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Am I saying that vaccinated people cannot contract or spread it at all? No, I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that vaccinated people are far less likely to contract or transmit the virus and that, therefore, the deliberately unvaccinated ought to shoulder the brunt of the blame for this recent surge.

iluvatar5150 said:

What I am saying is that vaccinated people are far less likely to contract or transmit the virus and that, therefore, the deliberately unvaccinated ought to shoulder the brunt of the blame for this recent surge.

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Source please.

LeafByNiggle said:

Short of strict censorship, what do you suggest be done about the misinformation? We have already seen how attempts at censorship have provided further ammunition to agents of disinformation that something nefarious is going on. I think the only solution is to counter misinformation with fact checking and with appeals to reason on the part of the misled. Emotional appeals might work too, provided they are based in reason. It is tempting to overcorrect the misinformation with poorly-supported data. But that only loses credibility. So we need to state only what we are sure is true and be honest about what we don't know.

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Appealing to reason would begin with admitting that you have doxa, not episteme (if you don't, then you will never be able to seem reasonable, because you won't be. And then defending that doxa presuppisitionally would be required to show how your doxa is better than their doxa.

Sodafox said:

Source please.

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Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

All the research citations are at the bottom. Search for the words "transmit" and "transmission."

iluvatar5150 said:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

All the research citations are at the bottom. Search for the words "transmit" and "transmission."

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"However, investigations are ongoing to assess further the risk of transmission from fully vaccinated persons with breakthrough infections."

It'll be interesting to see how the CDC updates everything.

If a vaccinated person infects an unvaccinated person, the unvaccinated person will get the blame for not being vaccinated.

If a vaccinated person infects another vaccinated person they will probably still blame the unvaccinated people!

Vaccinated people shouldn't be concerned about unvaccinated people if they truly believe in the merits of being vaccinated!

Lost4words said:

If a vaccinated person infects an unvaccinated person, the unvaccinated person will get the blame for not being vaccinated.

If a vaccinated person infects another vaccinated person they will probably still blame the unvaccinated people!

Vaccinated people shouldn't be concerned about unvaccinated people if they truly believe in the merits of being vaccinated!

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*deep breath*

Once again, the whole point of being vaccinated is to reduce the chance of contracting and transmitting the virus (plus reduce severity of the disease itself).

People who are vaccinated have a lower probability of contracting the virus. Thus being vaccinated (among other preventative measures) helps lower the rate of transmission, which reduces the amount of infected individuals circulating in the population.

People who choose to be unvaccinated and not taking other precautions as well (per the survey) are simply raising the risk of keeping the virus around and making the pandemic worse for everyone. Which is exactly what we're seeing playing out right now.

Do you think it's just a coincidence COVID-19 is surging primarily among unvaccinated populations?

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Yes, indeed.

Vaccinations are still in their early days. Its all rather new. Nobody knows the long term effects they may have on people.

Vaccines usually take years to develop.

Covid vaccines have been rushed through. With some, in all probability, having used aborted baby cells etc in their development.

My choice, at the moment, is not to get vaccinated. Yes, my choice.

Vaccinated people should not go attacking those of us who have chosen not to rush into having a concoction of chemicals injected into 'OUR' bodies.

May God bless and protect EVERYONE in the world.

Lost4words said:

Covid vaccines have been rushed through. With some, in all probability, having used aborted baby cells etc in their development.

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My choice, at the moment, is not to get vaccinated. Yes, my choice.

Vaccinated people should not go attacking those of us who have chosen not to rush into having a concoction of chemicals injected into 'OUR' bodies.

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Those making the choice to not vaccinate need to understand that their choices have consequences for everybody.

We're seeing the consequences of those choices playing out in real time.

Hammster said:

Not really. Those who are still afraid even after being vaccinated can do all of the things we did last year that prevented the spread of the disease.

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Did you reply to the wrong post? This doesn't seem to address my post.

Lost4words said:

Vaccinated people should not go attacking those of us who have chosen not to rush into having a concoction of chemicals injected into 'OUR' bodies.

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That's fine, you'll just wind up in a hospital bed like the others.

Hammster said:

I’ve not gotten the virus. How am I responsible? And there are those who have been vaccinated who have passed it on. Why aren’t they responsible?

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Why should vaccinated people be held responsible for passing the virus to the unvaccinated? It's the unvaccinated's fault for choosing not to be vaccinated.

Hammster said:

Sure it does. The fearful vaccinated people have options.

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That doesn't address my post at all. It looks like you're just trying to build a strawman.

Hammster said:

Vaccinated people can get the virus and spread it. They shouldn’t get a pass.

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Which is why vaccinated people should still be taking all the necessary precautions as well.

Nobody gets to be the exception here.