Public School Suspensions based on race rather than behavior

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Ask yourself how you would respond to that if you were in the group that was the target of discrimination.

Or perhaps it's constantly told that you'll never get ahead because you're black ?

When I was in the Marines back in 1971, a group of us white and black Marines
had a discussion about race. One of the black men said he will always teach
his daughter to hate the white man.

Justified or not, hatred will only beget hatred. That's the reality in life.

What you sow is what you reap and it doesn't matter what race you are.
 
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Ask yourself how you would respond to that if you were in the group that was the target of discrimination.

Or perhaps it's constantly told that you'll never get ahead because you're black ?

I know which of those would make me most angry. However, the second delivers pretty much the same message as the first.

One of the black men said he will always teach
his daughter to hate the white man.

Do you see how having different punishment standards for black students and white students causes that kind of reaction?
 
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Do you see how having different punishment standards for black students and white students causes that kind of reaction?

So you justify hatred.

We get it.
 
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Do you see how having different punishment standards for black students and white students causes that kind of reaction?

So you justify hatred

If one abuses and discriminates against people on the basis of race, they probably won't like him very much. Whether or not they hate him, probably has to do with how blatant and vindictive he is about it. Hate is never justified, but it is normal human behavior to hate people who behave like that.

Instead of trying to change human nature, it's more realistic to stop abusing people.

We get it.

Apparently not.
 
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The photo you posted, if evidence of anything, shows that teachers are suspending black kids more. Yes, that’s racist.

Yes but their is more "disruptive behavior" as far as fighting, defying authority, disrupting class room teaching etc. coming from the black students than other students. That is the top reason why suspensions are given.

There is of course lot of arbitrariness on how suspensions are given, lots of variability in length of time etc. where they need to straighten that out.

District Audit Details Racial Discrepancy in OKC Schools Suspensions - Oklahoma Watch
 
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Yes but their is more "disruptive behavior" as far as fighting, defying authority, disrupting class room teaching etc. coming from the black students than other students. That is the top reason why suspensions are given.

The issue is that for any given offense, black students are usually punished more severely than white students.

No point in denying the fact.
 
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Yes but their is more "disruptive behavior" as far as fighting, defying authority, disrupting class room teaching etc. coming from the black students than other students.
do you have anything to back this claim up?
 
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If one abuses and discriminates against people on the basis of race, they probably won't like him very much.

But that doesn't happen, especially for young people today who don't experience
the racism that was there back in the 40's and 50s. Kid's today have no such experience
but as Thomas Sowell has said, black families only began to fall apart in the 60's when the welfare state was created. It's digressed into a society where 70% of black kids are born into a home without a father present and a mother who is often too young and uneducated to be able to teach her children right from wrong. Many of the black kids today learn their morality from the drug running gang members.

Instead of trying to change human nature, it's more realistic to stop abusing people.

No one is being abused in the US school systems. People are being convinced they
are based on misleading rhetoric like in the articles of this thread.

The same fallacy for the pay gap between men and women are being used without presenting the facts of why that is.

As it is, yesterday the White House Group on Facebook reported that black females only make 69 cents to every dollar white men make. Why are they comparing white men to black females ? White and Asian women make more than black females on average as well. Heck, Asians make more than white men over all. Asians do better economically than white people. Why, do they get Asian privilege ?
 
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But that doesn't happen, especially for young people today who don't experience the racism that was there back in the 40's and 50s.

Well, let's take a look...
The researchers found that, indeed, Black, Latino and multiracial students were punished more harshly than white students for the same offenses, and that restorative approaches aimed at repairing harm, such as group dialogue and conflict mediation, reduce the likelihood of students receiving out-of-school suspension and expulsion.
RRAPP | Summary: The persistent effect of race and the promise of alternatives to suspension in school discipline outcomes

It's far from the only study showing this systemic racism. Would you like to see more?

No one is being abused in the US school systems. People are being convinced they are based on misleading rhetoric like in the articles of this thread.

See above. It's the way the system works. And the discrimination on the basis of race is harmful in many different ways.
 
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But that doesn't happen, especially for young people today who don't experience
the racism that was there back in the 40's and 50s. Kid's today have no such experience
but as Thomas Sowell has said, black families only began to fall apart in the 60's when the welfare state was created. It's digressed into a society where 70% of black kids are born into a home without a father present and a mother who is often too young and uneducated to be able to teach her children right from wrong. Many of the black kids today learn their morality from the drug running gang members.


No one is being abused in the US school systems. People are being convinced they
are based on misleading rhetoric like in the articles of this thread.

The same fallacy for the pay gap between men and women are being used without presenting the facts of why that is.

As it is, yesterday the White House Group on Facebook reported that black females only make 69 cents to every dollar white men make. Why are they comparing white men to black females ? White and Asian women make more than black females on average as well. Heck, Asians make more than white men over all. Asians do better economically than white people. Why, do they get Asian privilege ?

Its always amazing and saddening to to see overt racism like this put so proudly on display.
 
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