Wikipedia isn't the bible.
Wikipedia is useful, informative, relatively trustworthy and reliable. And there is the possibility to correct errors. Hence it has nothing in common with the bible.
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Why I don't believe in evolution...
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Wikipedia is useful, informative, relatively trustworthy and reliable. And there is the possibility to correct errors. Hence it has nothing in common with the bible.
So, do you agree that Landon Caeli 's depiction of Eugenics as a scientific theory was a fail?
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Radiometric dating of terrestrial rocks, lunar rocks and meteorites. The thickness of successions of sedimentary rock combined with measured deposition rates. Counts of craters on the Moon and the planets, combined with collision rates between asteroids and planets. The frequency distribution of solar oscillations.
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That's the point. I'm asking you to determine that line. It surely is not difficult to think of a means by which God would have done this. God is omnipotent. Tell us what He can do.
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So please tell us what you know that this PhD (biochemistry) creationist does not:
The truth about evolution
September 30, 2009
I hope this doesn't turn into a rant, but it might. You have been warned.
Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.
I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution. (Technically, they could also be deluded or lying, but that seems rather uncharitable to say. Oops.)
Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough. If God said it, that should settle it. Maybe that's not enough for your scoffing professor or your non-Christian friends, but it should be enough for you.
I can wait.September 30, 2009
I hope this doesn't turn into a rant, but it might. You have been warned.
Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.
I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution. (Technically, they could also be deluded or lying, but that seems rather uncharitable to say. Oops.)
Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough. If God said it, that should settle it. Maybe that's not enough for your scoffing professor or your non-Christian friends, but it should be enough for you.
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And yet, many early proponents of eugenics were Christians.
And then there is slavery, for which in the USA at least, the bible and Christianity were very often touted as justification. It is not pretty.
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Oh, I didn't know all Christians were informed, actively participating non-sinners.
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Can you explain how that explanation gives Christianity an out in regard to supporting eugenics, but the same cannot be applied to the minority of scientists who supported eugenics.
Would the sensible, measured and informed position not be to say that an unseemly collection of humans used both science and religion to support unsavoury, foolish and immoral objectives?
If you do agree then your original assertion against science is refuted and you would withdraw it. If you do not agree, why not?
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The guy is schizophrenic. There's no doubt about it. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Imagine his response to an argument you've made: 'Oh, I entirely accept the facts that you have presented and I agree with your argument and I'm sure that you're telling the truth. I just don't believe you...'
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Are you talking about Todd Wood here?
IMHO, he's quite cogent in his writings and quite frankly is one of the few truly honest creationists insofar as recognizing what creationists are up against.
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The source of the quote is here: The truth about evolution
IMHO, Todd Wood is one of the more fascinating figures in creationism. He seems genuinely interested in demonstrating creationism on the basis of evidence for creationism rather than simply slinging mud against science and evolution.
He's heavily into baraminology in that respect and has ruffled the feathers of other creationists over the years with some of his ideas (such as the idea of their being multiple human species in the fossil record).
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There's a ton of evidence supporting evolution.
Also, it's not a valid argument to claim that something is wrong just because it disagrees with another thing that you've decided is true. And why do you think the development of morality must be a binary, on/off thing?
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Quotes from his blog:
'I'm not going to give you the evidence (for evolution). Here's why: First, I'm a creationist. Second, there are plenty of adequate summaries of the evidence for evolution. Third, I think most of the people asking for this evidence are just trying to bait me into a debate.'
What the..? Trying to bait him? I would have thought that he'd realise that the very first question that anyone would ask him if he stated he was a creationist yet found evolution a compelling theory would be 'How does the evidence that supports evolution not dismantle your belief in creationism?' In other words, if you accept that evolution is a valid theory, then what evidence do you accept that grants it that validity?
And in a couple of videos I've watched (one being 'Why am I a creationist') he simply confesses that he has no answer to most of the evidence. In one example be references facts that obviously discount the flood. And accepts the facts. So...the flood didn't happen? Oh, no. It obviously happened because it's in the bible, but...he has no answer as to how to explain the evidence against it.
In the same video he suggests that finding out about fossil evidence and protein evolution which would destroy any credibility of creationism could have led him down the 'slippery slope' to losing his faith. So he somehow manages to keep these conflicting concepts in his head at the same time. And he urged students listening to his talk to do the same. Not to lose their faith. Which sums up his position.
He thinks that if evolution is right then the bible is wrong. And therefore his faith is unfounded. When the truth of the matter is that evolution is right and HE is wrong. He is wrong in his reading of scripture. He is wrong in tying his faith to a scientific understanding of Genesis. He is wrong in thinking that accepting evolution would remove God from his life.
There are enough creationists around who try to fool the gullible with hokey science and denial of basic facts. But Wood isn't trying to fool anyone but himself. And he's succeeded very well indeed.
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Do tell us about your extensive scientific background such that anyone should take your word - your mere assertion - over that of creationist biochemist Todd Wood, PhD., any bolding mine:
Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.
I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution. (Technically, they could also be deluded or lying, but that seems rather uncharitable to say. Oops.)
I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution. (Technically, they could also be deluded or lying, but that seems rather uncharitable to say. Oops.)
Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough. If God said it, that should settle it. Maybe that's not enough for your scoffing professor or your non-Christian friends, but it should be enough for you.
I eagerly await your reply.
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