She got vaccinated the day her fiance tested positive for COVID-19. It was too late for him.

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Unless you have a severe allergy to a component of the vaccines, I'm not sure what your issue is with the ones currently available.
That is pretty evident in your thoughtless rebuttals...
 
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They are not good for everybody. See my two previous posts.
If the government is serious about herd immunity, they will offer a larger variety of choices.
(And, yes, I am willing to pay for it...)

Understand that some people for various reasons can’t take a covid vaccine. I have a friend who recently had treatment for cancer and who now can’t get their covid shot until their immune system is restored.

In these kinds of cases, your best hope is that people who CAN get vaccinated do so to help control the spread, until you’re able to get a vaccine
 
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You are just flinging canned, defensive arguments back at me.
That might be clever in "competitive" debate, but it is dishonest & dismissive in the face of real health issues.

You don't seem to recognize that "immunocompromised" is more than a single condition. Are you immunocompromised in any way?

Some have minimal immune systems, like those with AIDS.
Others have fairly strong immune systems (like ours), but they do not always respond in predictable ways, like okay with A-list/severe reaction to B-list.

"Immunocompromised" typically means a person has a weakened immune system (like from HIV or radiation/chemotherapy), not an allergy.
 
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In these kinds of cases, your best hope is that people who CAN get vaccinated do so to help control the spread, until you’re able to get a vaccine
Why is that okay for cancer patients but not okay for immune dysregulation?
(And ID allows us to take some forms of vaccine, if they were offered.)
 
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"Immunocompromised" typically means a person has a weakened immune system (like from HIV or radiation/chemotherapy), not an allergy.
(You didn't look up immune dysregulation, did you?)
 
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Why is that okay for cancer patients but not okay for immune dysregulation?
(And ID allows us to take some forms of vaccine, if they were offered.)

I didn’t say it was. If you can’t receive the covid shot due to medical issues then your best hope is to have a high proportion of people who can take a vaccine get it to help protect you.

That’s why people getting vaccinated is so important, to not only help themselves, but to help people like yourself with immunity issues.
 
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Why is that okay for cancer patients but not okay for immune dysregulation?
(And ID allows us to take some forms of vaccine, if they were offered.)

If you have been specifically told by your medical doctor to not receive a vaccine, then I guess you are one of the rare individuals who should not get vaccinated.

This might interest you. Apparently, the government is funding research into using the existing vaccines in the immune dysregulated. The researchers will track the T-cell and antibody responses of the participants over time:

How Well Do COVID-19 Vaccines Protect Primary Immunodeficiency Patients?
 
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I didn’t say it was. If you can’t receive the covid shot due to medical issues then your best hope is to have a high proportion of people who can take a vaccine get it to help protect you.
Current vaccines do not block transmission.
This might interest you. Apparently, the government is funding research into using the existing vaccines in the immune dysregulated. The researchers will track the T-cell and antibody responses of the participants over time:

How Well Do COVID-19 Vaccines Protect Primary Immunodeficiency Patients?
Which means that it is less developed than for general society.
 
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Current vaccines do not block transmission.

Which means that it is less developed than for general society.

It's unfortunate you have a medical condition but that doesn't mean you need to take such a critical tone towards the existing vaccines, especially in an environment replete with misinformation about them. For the vast majority of people, they work well, and the more people that used them, the safer you would be as well.
 
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...but that doesn't mean you need to take such a critical tone towards the existing vaccines,...
There is no legal recourse for the current vaccines.
There was very little legal recourse for the previous ones.
The recipient assumes ALL the risks.
Since I had no adverse reactions to any of mine [A-list], I didn't give them a second thought.
Since two of my children had severe, life-long injuries from B-list vaccines, I no longer take [vaccines, generally] for granted. (So far, A-list vaccines have not been a problem.)
I really do hope that mRNA vaccines succeed in the long-term. (If they do, they might just supplant the troublesome B-list vaccines.)
 
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Individual choice is important also.:)
The beast will take choices away. I am practicing just in case.
Even God gives us a choice. A socialist country, not so much.
 
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Could you elaborate?
Not without derailing this thread.
This doesn’t count?
CICP & NVICP exist, but have extremely low award rates.
The only vaccine injury suits that seem to be paying is those against Gardasil. (I am not sure what venues they are being pursued in.)
 
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Individual choice is important also.:)
There is no legal recourse for the current vaccines.
There was very little legal recourse for the previous ones.
The recipient assumes ALL the risks.
Since I had no adverse reactions to any of mine [A-list], I didn't give them a second thought.
Since two of my children had severe, life-long injuries from B-list vaccines, I no longer take [vaccines, generally] for granted. (So, far A-list vaccines have not been a problem.)
I really do hope that mRNA vaccines succeed in the long-term. (If they do, they might just supplant the troublesome B-list vaccines.)
There is no "legal recourse" for COVID either. We have to weigh the known risks of both the vaccine and COVID. There is no question that the known risks of COVID are greater. It’s not debatable. Unvaccinated people are dying. If you cannot take the vaccine due to a medical condition, your best protection is other people getting vaccinated.
 
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We have to weigh the known risks of both the vaccine and COVID.
Being a member of said statistical minority doesn't somehow make neo-vaccination pseudo-vaccination a good gamble for us.
If you cannot take the vaccine due to a medical condition, your best protection is other people getting vaccinated.
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If they take a vaccine that actually blocks transmission...)
 
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If they take a vaccine that actually blocks transmission...)

It's not just about blocking transmission. It's also about lowering risk of contracting the disease or having a prolonged infection.

All of these can go together in reducing overall rates of transmission of the virus.
 
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Being a member of said statistical minority doesn't somehow make neo-vaccination a good gamble for us.

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If they take a vaccine that actually blocks transmission...)
I’m not trying to convince you to take the vaccine if your doctor says you shouldn’t. You seem to want to plant doubt in others, though. If more people were vaxed, it would greatly reduce transmission and would greatly lessen the ability of the virus to mutate.
 
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You seem to want to plant doubt in others, though.
It is undisputed knowledge that the neo-vax pseudo-vax* does not block transmission (not disinformation...).
I only brought it up as a rebuttal to
If you cannot take the vaccine due to a medical condition, your best protection is other people getting vaccinated.
(That would only be true of conventional vaccines, so far.)

*That is not a denigration. It means "artificial vaccine."
 
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