Under the New Covenant, where is the Biblical text for Worshipping on a particular day (ie Sunday)

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John is spoken of being in the spirit on The Lord's day in Revelation 1:10

Paul is spoken of as breaking bread and giving a talk on the first day of the week in
Acts 20:7

Those two verses alone should be enough to reach the conclusion that if there was a day mentioned in the Bible as being The Lord's day, a day specifically dedicated to The Lord, and another verse where it specifically mentions that Paul met on the first day of the week to break bread and give a talk, that since we are worshipping to this very day on Sunday it only makes sense that Christians unanimously came to the conclusion that they should worship God on Sunday. And since Jesus does not speak against this practice in The Bible it's fair to say He accepted worship of Himself on Sunday.

To be honest though if you're looking for word for word commands like there were in the old testament where God said "you must worship on this day" but in the new testament you're not going to find it. If it's not enough and you want to worship on Saturday in keeping with old testament practices Im sure you could do it and God would accept your doing so, but if you read the link to Wikepedia it mentions the practice of worshiping on Sunday as being the norm for Christians since the first century.

Let me know if that's enough to answer your question I'm all for talking more about it if you'd like.
The Lord's day was already defined in the bible as the seventh day. The seventh day is the only day God blessed, sanctified, made holy and asked us to Remember.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Isaiah 58:13
If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

Jesus said: Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:28

God already defined the only day in the Bible that is holy to Him and it is part of the Ten Commandments that God personally wrote and stores in the Most Holy of His Temple. Revelations 1:10 does not say the first day. The Lord's day that has to do with Sunday, or the first day is a man-made term. There is no scripture in the entire bible where God made the first day holy, this is a tradition of man that Jesus warns us about Matthew 15:3-9. The disciples met and broke bread everyday Acts 2:46 , but that does not mean everyday is holy or God's day. God is our Creator and Savior and when we worship Him on the day He commanded, deemed holy and set apart, we allow God to be God.

I think something that is important as keeping a commandment (what is defined as sin 1 John 3:4) especially one that God said "remember" you should find solid scripture where God says we no longer have to obey one of His commandments and now we have a new holy day. There is no such scripture, but we have in Daniel 7:25 where we are warned God's law would be changed, not by God's authority. The Sabbath commandment is the only law that is both a time (every Sabbath) and a law (the 4th commandment).

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And not one NT text saying that there was a weekly - week-day-1 worship meeting or gospel-preaching meeting.

Acts 18:4 "every Sabbath" there was gospel preaching for both gentiles and Jews.

I will take the Bible as a factual account of first century history. No problems with that for me.
Mark 16:9 "Now Jesus, having risen [from death] early on the first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

We know in Revelation 1:10 it mentions the Lords Day and Acts 20:7 Paul broke bread and spoke on the first day of the week and 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul commanded the early church to take a collection much like how people Tithe in church on Sunday.

If you think about it logically, if Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week and there is a day called The Lord's day, pause right there, what day would that be? What day other than the first day would it be?

Also with the behavior of the first church starting it's habit yes it may be true that at that time they broke bread every day according to what you mentioned, but don't you think as the first church was forming it only makes sense that since Paul is asking the church to collect money on the first day of the week, that there is a day called the Lord's Day, and that Jesus rose from the dead on the first week, and since Sunday is the first day of the week for us that God would approve of us worshipping on Sunday?

You say scripture is enough for you and I am providing scripture, what more is there to say?
 
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Mark 16:9 "Now Jesus, having risen [from death] early on the first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

We know in Revelation 1:10 it mentions the Lords Day and Acts 20:7 Paul broke bread and spoke on the first day of the week and 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul commanded the early church to take a collection much like how people Tithe in church on Sunday.

If you think about it logically, if Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week and there is a day called The Lord's day, pause right there, what day would that be? What day other than the first day would it be?

Also with the behavior of the first church starting it's habit yes it may be true that at that time they broke bread every day according to what you mentioned, but don't you think as the first church was forming it only makes sense that since Paul is asking the church to collect money on the first day of the week, that there is a day called the Lord's Day, and that Jesus rose from the dead on the first week, and since Sunday is the first day of the week for us that God would approve of us worshipping on Sunday?

You say scripture is enough for you and I am providing scripture, what more is there to say?
Here is Luke 's account of the same story

Luke 56:23 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

This is after Jesus rose and the commandment still being kept. Jesus never told anyone nor the disciples that after He rose there would be a new day of worship. You need to remember Jesus was being followed and spied on to see if He would break God's Sabbath, which He never did. If there was a change to God's holy day it would have been an uproar in scriptures. There is nothing in the scriptures regarding this change. This came after the Bible and the Roman Catholic church takes credit for the change. They tell you if you go to church on Sunday instead of Saturday you are obeying a commandment of the pope and not God. They admit this change came from no biblical authority. Here are just a few quotes...

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.


Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174
 
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Here is Luke 's account of the same story

Luke 56:23 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

This is after Jesus rose and the commandment still being kept. Jesus never told anyone nor the disciples that after He rose there would be a new day of worship. You need to remember Jesus was being followed and spied on to see if He would break God's Sabbath, which He never did. If there was a change to God's holy day it would have been an uproar in scriptures. There is nothing in the scriptures regarding this change. This came after the Bible and the Roman Catholic church takes credit for the change. They tell you if you go to church on Sunday instead of Saturday you are obeying a commandment of the pope and not God. They admit this change came from no biblical authority. Here are just a few quotes...

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.


Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174
so the verse you're quoting is about the burial of Jesus not about when He rose from the dead, here is the verse including the one before it:
Luke 23:55-56 "The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes.But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment."

So they rested yes on the sabbath, Jesus had not risen yet. You completely ignored my verse of Mark 16:9 where Jesus rose from the dead on the first day.

The Lord's day is only mentioned once in the entire Bible and that is in the new Testament in Revelation 1:10. This implies that only in the New Testament is there a day referred to as The Lord's day, if not why didnt it say "sabbath" instead of "Lord's Day".

Don't be too quick to give credit to The Catholic church for why we worship on Sunday, for breaking bread and giving a talk and taking collections happened in Paul's days at the beginning of the church.

Are we going to go backwards now and start following all the old testament commands? It's true that we keep some commands that carry forward such as do not murder etc but Jesus's resurrection happened on the first day and is accordingly labeled The Lord's day by the church.
 
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so the verse you're quoting is about the burial of Jesus not about when He rose from the dead, here is the verse including the one before it:
Luke 23:55-56 "The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes.But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment."

So they rested yes on the sabbath, Jesus had not risen yet. You completely ignored my verse of Mark 16:9 where Jesus rose from the dead on the first day.

The Lord's day is only mentioned once in the entire Bible and that is in the new Testament in Revelation 1:10. This implies that only in the New Testament is there a day referred to as The Lord's day, if not why didnt it say "sabbath" instead of "Lord's Day".

Don't be too quick to give credit to The Catholic church for why we worship on Sunday, for breaking bread and giving a talk and taking collections happened in Paul's days at the beginning of the church.

Are we going to go backwards now and start following all the old testament commands? It's true that we keep some commands that carry forward such as do not murder etc but Jesus's resurrection happened on the first day and is accordingly labeled The Lord's day by the church.
We can obey a commandment of God or we can read into scripture and try to make it say what is not there. Maybe you can provide scripture saying after Jesus rises from the grave that is the new day of worship. Jesus met with His disciples after He rose and never said one word about having a new day of worship. Something as big a breaking a commandment of God, Jesus would have said something.

If Revelation 1:10 said on the first day is the Lords day, than you may be on to something. God said the holy day of the Lord is the Sabbath. You are really arguing with our Most High because should He not be the One to define the day that we keep Holy and worship?

Isaiah 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,

On the New Earth the Sabbath will be the day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:23.

And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Regarding 1 Corth 16:2 Paul was sending men who would pick up their contributions to take up to Jerusalem—food, clothing, and money was no doubt included. Paul wrote ahead to tell the Corinthian believers to lay aside whatever they could give and have it ready when they came. The supplies were for the famine-stricken believers in Jerusalem. Please note that other translations say “lay by in store at home.” Weymouth also adds these words, “keep any profit he may have made.” So you see, it was a matter of storing up at home whatever they could afford from the profits of their business. In no sense can it be inferred that there was a religious meeting held or an offering taken.

There are 8 verses in the bible and about the first day. Nothing where God, Jesus or the disciples said the first day is God's holy day. Compare those 8 verses to the 170+ scriptures on the Sabbath. If you are being honest, you will have no doubt which is day is God's holy day. He deemed only one in the entire bible. It's important to God, because He personally wrote it, it is part of an eternal covenant stored in the Most Holy of His Temple and God asked us to Remember.
 
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Something as big a breaking a commandment of God, Jesus would have said something.
I just want to start by saying I wish you knew me and how strict I was about keeping Sunday, what I consider is referenced as The Lord's Day, Holy. I do not work and I try my best not to buy anything that can wait. I try to watch church and I make a point to make the main focus of the day about rest and about JESUS. Paul mentions a couple things in the next few verses:

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Romans 14:1-9

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Colossians 2:16-17

The point is the focus of God and rest, which I will admit is still something I'm working on, but remember what JESUS said, "The sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath."

The pharisees were extremely strict about keeping every law, and would accuse even Jesus's disciples if they saw them doing something they thought was wrong. Whereas JESUS is not up in the sky looking at our every wrong, we already have an accuser and he is the enemy. Let us then come together as believers. If you want to honor Saturday then so be it I respect that. In fact for half of a year I spent my Saturdays not working and honoring Saturday as the sabbath. At that time I was fully convinced, and now I am fully convinced that JESUS accepts worship of Him on Sunday, for the very reasons I have already told you.

Please do not judge me or accuse me of breaking a commandment because I do not worship on Saturday, for I do worship and keep Sunday Holy and I am very happy to do my best in trying so. I do not judge you for your honoring of Saturday, and I believe JESUS knows why you choose to do so and I understand completely based on your evidence. But I am convinced Sunday is acceptable to JESUS and if I were to switch not out of faith well I'm sure we both know "Anything not done out of faith is sin."
But we also know that JESUS is merciful not wanting anyone to perish, and Hebrews 8:12 says "Mercy triumphs over judgement".

I look forward to the day of a new Heaven and a new Earth where we no longer see through a glass dimly but all will be revealed and we will be able to ask our Creator any questions rather than debate on the information we have been provided.

It's interesting (THE LAST THING I PROMISE) how the Bible does not outline everything we can and cannot do like it did in the old testament. Paul talks in Romans about being free from the law but also not sinning just because we are not under the law. I could go on but I'll stop right there. That is all.
 
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The Lord's day was already defined in the bible as the seventh day. The seventh day is the only day God blessed, sanctified, made holy and asked us to Remember.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
Let's go with that. I have a 2 questions
1. Why did John use a new term "the Lord's day" in this passage instead of the Sabbath?
2. Why does the term the Lord's day appear in Church day appear right next to the Sabbath Day in Christian History and mean something completely different?
 
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Let's go with that. I have a 2 questions
1. Why did John use a new term "the Lord's day" in this passage instead of the Sabbath?
2. Why does the term the Lord's day appear in Church day appear right next to the Sabbath Day in Christian History and mean something completely different?
1. The bible uses the day of the Lord in reference to the Sabbath, so this is just another version of it. Mark 2:28, Isaiah 58:13 Maybe you can find scripture stating the first day is God's holy day in the bible.
2. My only scripture is the bible, I don't follow traditions of the church. Jesus warns about this Matthew 15:3-9
 
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I just want to start by saying I wish you knew me and how strict I was about keeping Sunday, what I consider is referenced as The Lord's Day, Holy. I do not work and I try my best not to buy anything that can wait. I try to watch church and I make a point to make the main focus of the day about rest and about JESUS. Paul mentions a couple things in the next few verses:

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Romans 14:1-9

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Colossians 2:16-17

The point is the focus of God and rest, which I will admit is still something I'm working on, but remember what JESUS said, "The sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath."

The pharisees were extremely strict about keeping every law, and would accuse even Jesus's disciples if they saw them doing something they thought was wrong. Whereas JESUS is not up in the sky looking at our every wrong, we already have an accuser and he is the enemy. Let us then come together as believers. If you want to honor Saturday then so be it I respect that. In fact for half of a year I spent my Saturdays not working and honoring Saturday as the sabbath. At that time I was fully convinced, and now I am fully convinced that JESUS accepts worship of Him on Sunday, for the very reasons I have already told you.

Please do not judge me or accuse me of breaking a commandment because I do not worship on Saturday, for I do worship and keep Sunday Holy and I am very happy to do my best in trying so. I do not judge you for your honoring of Saturday, and I believe JESUS knows why you choose to do so and I understand completely based on your evidence. But I am convinced Sunday is acceptable to JESUS and if I were to switch not out of faith well I'm sure we both know "Anything not done out of faith is sin."
But we also know that JESUS is merciful not wanting anyone to perish, and Hebrews 8:12 says "Mercy triumphs over judgement".

I look forward to the day of a new Heaven and a new Earth where we no longer see through a glass dimly but all will be revealed and we will be able to ask our Creator any questions rather than debate on the information we have been provided.

It's interesting (THE LAST THING I PROMISE) how the Bible does not outline everything we can and cannot do like it did in the old testament. Paul talks in Romans about being free from the law but also not sinning just because we are not under the law. I could go on but I'll stop right there. That is all.


I'm not judging you, maybe you can provide a quote where I judged you, that is not my job, pointing out scripture is not judging. We will all be judged fairly and righteous by Jesus based on our actions.

The bible also teaches us that breaking God's commandments is sin, which includes the 4th commandment that God said remember. 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20. Jesus tells us to teach each other the commandments Matthew 5:19.

Regarding Colossians 2:14-16 you need to read this really carefully because many who choose to keep traditions over a commandment of God use this verse out of context to support their case and ignore the other 170+ scriptures regarding God's Sabbath.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

First of all, we know right away it's not a commandemnt of God because it's referring to "ordinances". God's commandments has never been referred to as an ordinance in scriptures. God's law is like the constitution an ordnance is more like a local law putting it todays terms. The context is food and drink. There is no reference to food or drink in God's Ten Commandments. There is more than one Sabbath in the bible there is the weekly Sabbath that God commanded us to keep holy Exodus 2:8-11 that has nothing to do with food or drink and the yearly sabbath(s) feast days that is about food or drink. V. 17 says it is a shadow of things to come. The Sabbath is not pointing forward, it points back as a memorial to creation. "Remember" Genesis 2:1-3 which has the same verbiage as the 4th commandment Exodus 8-11 Plus the Sabbath continues on forever Isaiah 66:23 as God already promised the Sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16

Jesus said IF you love Me, keep the commandments John 14:15. John 15:10, 1 John 5:3. Jesus came to do the will of His Father. The laws of God is not in conflict with Jesus. Jesus came to magnify the laws Isaiah 42:21 and did not come to destroy God's laws Matthew 5:17-20. Jesus said 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. This includes the 4th.

Jesus warned us about keeping traditions over commandments Matthew 15:3-9, we were warned about God's Sabbath being changed Daniel 7:25. There is no commandment to keep holy the first day, but there is for keeping holy the Sabbath day. Exodus 20:8-11. The choice is ours obey God or we can follow traditions.

God bless.
 
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I just want to start by saying I wish you knew me and how strict I was about keeping Sunday, what I consider is referenced as The Lord's Day, Holy. I do not work and I try my best not to buy anything that can wait. I try to watch church and I make a point to make the main focus of the day about rest and about JESUS. Paul mentions a couple things in the next few verses:

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Romans 14:1-9

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Colossians 2:16-17

The point is the focus of God and rest, which I will admit is still something I'm working on, but remember what JESUS said, "The sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath."

The pharisees were extremely strict about keeping every law, and would accuse even Jesus's disciples if they saw them doing something they thought was wrong. Whereas JESUS is not up in the sky looking at our every wrong, we already have an accuser and he is the enemy. Let us then come together as believers. If you want to honor Saturday then so be it I respect that. In fact for half of a year I spent my Saturdays not working and honoring Saturday as the sabbath. At that time I was fully convinced, and now I am fully convinced that JESUS accepts worship of Him on Sunday, for the very reasons I have already told you.

Please do not judge me or accuse me of breaking a commandment because I do not worship on Saturday, for I do worship and keep Sunday Holy and I am very happy to do my best in trying so. I do not judge you for your honoring of Saturday, and I believe JESUS knows why you choose to do so and I understand completely based on your evidence. But I am convinced Sunday is acceptable to JESUS and if I were to switch not out of faith well I'm sure we both know "Anything not done out of faith is sin."
But we also know that JESUS is merciful not wanting anyone to perish, and Hebrews 8:12 says "Mercy triumphs over judgement".

I look forward to the day of a new Heaven and a new Earth where we no longer see through a glass dimly but all will be revealed and we will be able to ask our Creator any questions rather than debate on the information we have been provided.

It's interesting (THE LAST THING I PROMISE) how the Bible does not outline everything we can and cannot do like it did in the old testament. Paul talks in Romans about being free from the law but also not sinning just because we are not under the law. I could go on but I'll stop right there. That is all.
Hi Seventh, your attempt to make Sunday into Sabath is as completely futile as those who try to make the old covenant Sabbath relevant. The Sabbath, given to only one nation, Israel ended at Calvary when Israel was given a new covenant. Jesus said in Jn 15 that He kept His Father's commands which we know was the commands of the old covenant given at Sinai. He then tells us about His new command to love others like He loves us. The new covenant is all about love. Nowhere in the new covenant does it tell us to "keep" any day. Read 1Jn 3:19-24 where John tells us we belong to the TRUTH if we believe in Jesus and love others as He taught.

Nowhere in all of history is there any evidence that gentiles kept the Sabbath. Yet our SDA and Messianic friends try to put gentiles under the laws of the old covenant. The fact is that what they try to do is not Biblical just as what you believe is not Biblical. Everyone is free to keep or not keep days, just don't try to put a guilt trip on those who follow the simple plan of salvation. One group tells us because we don't do as they do, we are going to Hell. I prefer to let God be the judge.
 
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Mark 16:9 "Now Jesus, having risen [from death] early on the first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."

Yes Christ was resurrected on what the NT calls - week-day-1 (Sunday) but that was not a weekly event.

We know in Revelation 1:10 it mentions the Lords Day

True - but the NT never calls week-day-1 the Lord's Day.

We do have "the Sabbath is the Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13 in the Bible
And we have "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28 in the Bible
But not "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day"

and Acts 20:7 Paul broke bread and spoke on the first day of the week

Intending to depart in the morning - it was an evening meeting so he was planning all-day-travel on week-day-1??
In any case - it was not weekly.

In Acts 2 they met "every day" to break bread.


and 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul commanded the early church to take a collection

That is "weekly savings" not weekly worship service.

At the start of each week set aside some money by himself at home.

1 Cor 16:2 the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper


Robertson's Word pictures of the NTT –

Lay by him in store (par' eautwi titetw thsaurizwn).

By himself, in his home. Treasuring it (cf. Matthew 6:19. for thsaurizw). Have the habit of doing it, titetw (present imperative).


The only weekly context for "week-day-1" is not a worship service and does not use the term "Lord's Day"

since Paul is asking the church to collect money on the first day of the week,

By himself in his home - as Robertson points out (And Robertson was not a Bible Sabbath keeper)

that there is a day called the Lord's Day, and that Jesus rose from the dead on the first week, and since Sunday is the first day of the week for us that God would approve of us worshipping on Sunday?

The NT says "Every Sabbath" they were preaching the Gospel to gentiles and Jews in an explicit worship service.

You're suggestion is that we imagine that what is called "week-day-1" should have been called "the Lord's day" and that "setting aside savings" by himself at home -- should have been called the weekly worship service for gospel preaching.

You say scripture is enough for you and I am providing scripture, what more is there to say?

The problem is that scripture does not actually say what you need it to say so you ask if it does not make sense for us to "suppose" all the key details you needed it to say.

If all TEN of the TEN Commandments were still valid in the NT and Sabbath still the weekly day of worship -- then we would expect
1. He who breaks one breaks them all. James 2
2. The first commandment with a promise is "honor your father and mother" Eph 6:2
3. The term for the 7th day of the week is always title of honor "Sabbath"
4. the term for week-day-1 is always week-day-1
5. "Every Sabbath" they have Gospel preaching to both Gentiles and Jews Acts 18:4
6. "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4
7. Jesus was known for leading out in Sabbath services - Luke 4:16
8. Gentiles ask for "more Gospel preaching" - on "the next Sabbath" Acts 13.
9. "what matter is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
10. Sabbath commandment quoted from several times in the NT (Rev 14:7)
11. Jesus condemns any teaching that is against the Commandments of God Matt 5
12 Jesus condemns man-made-traditions that set aside the Commandment of God Mark 7:6-13
13. Jesus is the one speaking His commandments at Sinai - pointed out in the NT - Heb 8:6-12
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IF week day 1 were "The Lord's Day" -- the new weekly day of worship in the NT
1. A text saying "week-day-1 is the Lord's day"
2. Week-day-1 almost never the term for Sunday - but rather "The Lord's Day"
3. A text saying the weekly Sabbath is replaced by week-day-1 or is changed to week-day-1
4. Discussions with newly converted Jews about switching from the 7th day to the first.
5. Evangelism on "every week-day-1" Lord's day - with gospel preaching to gentiles.
6. Any Sabbath service as "seventh day gospel preaching where gentiles are invited to come back tomorrow - for more Gospel preaching"
7 The term "Sabbath" replace by simply "the seventh day of the week" in most cases - to emphasize the transition.
8. A 9-nine commandments term introduced in the NT to replace the existing scripture statements having "Ten Commandments" as the actual term.
 
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The NT says "Every Sabbath" they were preaching the Gospel to gentiles and Jews in an explicit worship service.

If a follower of Christ wanted to preach Christ to the Jews, where were the Jews gathered every week?


Act_1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Act_13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Act_13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Act_15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Col_2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:




Early Church Fathers who lived before the Council of Nicaea comment on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)


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This highlights the problem with post-Reformation Christianity. The simple answer is that it isn't in there, not explicitly. Nor is the precise doctrine of the Trinity or the nature of Christ. Hence why when you declare the Bible as the only source of doctrine, rather than a unified doctrine you get hundreds of thousands of different ideas and interpretations in different sects all reading the same book.

Christianity is more than the Bible. The earliest New Testament writing is dated to around 50 AD, so you've got a couple of decades after the death of Christ where there was literally nothing so far as written doctrine goes, the Gospel was imparted by word of mouth via the Apostles and their followers. Even when St. Paul wrote his Epistles, and eventually the Gospels were written, there was not a concept of an official canon of scripture for a couple of centuries. During which time there were countless other documents claiming validity such as those found in Nag Hammadi. So matters would have been even more confusing for early Christians. Traditions, however, held that certain of these texts were authentic, and divinely inspired, traditions that eventually led to their canonization as the New Testament. So what was Christianity in all that time? If you cannot trust the traditions that led to the Bible itself then you cannot trust the Bible itself.

Things like Sunday worship were established very early on in the Church. The reason was simple, Christ rose again on a Sunday, so they celebrated on that day---which marked the creation and the fulfilment of creation.

The question I would like to ask is where in the Bible does it say to use the Bible as the only source of doctrine? Also what would you do if the Bible itself says that we should hold fast to traditions?
 
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This highlights the problem with post-Reformation Christianity. The simple answer is that it isn't in there, not explicitly. Nor is the precise doctrine of the Trinity or the nature of Christ. Hence why when you declare the Bible as the only source of doctrine, rather than a unified doctrine you get hundreds of thousands of different ideas and interpretations in different sects all reading the same book.

Christianity is more than the Bible. The earliest New Testament writing is dated to around 50 AD, so you've got a couple of decades after the death of Christ where there was literally nothing so far as written doctrine goes, the Gospel was imparted by word of mouth via the Apostles and their followers. Even when St. Paul wrote his Epistles, and eventually the Gospels were written, there was not a concept of an official canon of scripture for a couple of centuries. During which time there were countless other documents claiming validity such as those found in Nag Hammadi. So matters would have been even more confusing for early Christians. Traditions, however, held that certain of these texts were authentic, and divinely inspired, traditions that eventually led to their canonization as the New Testament. So what was Christianity in all that time? If you cannot trust the traditions that led to the Bible itself then you cannot trust the Bible itself.

Things like Sunday worship were established very early on in the Church. The reason was simple, Christ rose again on a Sunday, so they celebrated on that day---which marked the creation and the fulfilment of creation.

The question I would like to ask is where in the Bible does it say to use the Bible as the only source of doctrine? Also what would you do if the Bible itself says that we should hold fast to traditions?
If Sunday became a the new day of worship and the 4th commandment was deleted from the other nine commandments (ironic when God told us to "remember" this one) why is there no scripture stating this? Instead we have close to 60 Sabbath references in the New Testament alone and Jesus teaching us all about the Sabbath. Why would Jesus teach us about the Sabbath and we show Jesus reading scriptures every Sabbath Luke 4:16 Are we told not to follow Jesus as He is our example? 1 Peter 2:21

I trust the bible, I do not trust traditions over God's commandments and Jesus warns us about this exact thing. Matthew 15:3-9
 
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If Sunday became a the new day of worship and the 4th commandment was deleted from the other nine commandments (ironic when God told us to "remember") why is there no scripture stating this? Instead we have close to 60 Sabbath references in the New Testament alone and Jesus teaching us all about the Sabbath. Why would Jesus teach us about the Sabbath and we show Jesus reading scriptures every Sabbath Luke 4:16 Are we told not to follow Jesus as He is our example? 1 Peter 2:21

I trust the bible, I do not trust traditions over God's commandments and Jesus warns us about this exact thing. Matthew 15:3-9

How can the Bible be trusted as a source of doctrine if tradition is such a bad thing, and the Bible itself is a product of tradition?

What about 2 Thessalonians 2:15?

It clearly instructs people to follow the word of mouth traditions in addition to those written.

The Orthodox Church does recognise the 7th day, with Vespers in the evening in preparation for the Sunday Liturgy. Which is also the day upon which many of the faithful say the canon of preparation to receive Holy Communion. So we do keep it Holy.
 
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How can the Bible be trusted as a source of doctrine if tradition is such a bad thing, and the Bible itself is a product of tradition?

What about 2 Thessalonians 2:15?

It clearly instructs people to follow the word of mouth traditions in addition to those written.

The Orthodox Church does recognise the 7th day, with Vespers in the evening in preparation for the Sunday Liturgy. Which is also the day upon which many of the faithful say the canon of preparation to receive Holy Communion. So we do keep it Holy.
Traditions based on the Word of God, not man's traditions that breaks God's commandments. Jesus clearly warned us about this:

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

The Orthodox Church does recognise the 7th day, with Vespers in the evening in preparation for the Sunday Liturgy. Which is also the day upon which many of the faithful say the canon of preparation to receive Holy Communion. So we do keep it Holy.

That's the problem, you keep it holy, but God did not tell you to keep it holy. This is what God told us. Not only did He speak it, He personally wrote it and it is stored in the Most Holy of His Temple.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

God told us the first day is a working day. That is why Jesus rested on the seventh day even in death and rose and went back to His Heavenly work on the first day. There is no where in the bible that says the first day is holy, this is a man-made tradition that leads people to break the 4th commandment.
 
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Traditions based on the Word of God, not man's traditions that breaks God's commandments. Jesus clearly warned us about this:

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

There was no Bible when St. Paul wrote those words. All they had was his letters and word of mouth. Or did someone go back in time and give them a copy of the Bible? For the first 3 centuries Christianity was tradition. How can that tradition have been based on the Bible if it did not exist at that point?

You ignore the part where I said that the seventh day is kept Holy, by the service of Vespers, and also by the fact that many of the faithful will do extra prayers, and abstain from certain activities in preparation for Communion. So your point is moot.
 
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Let's go with that. I have a 2 questions
1. Why did John use a new term "the Lord's day" in this passage instead of the Sabbath?

1. Because John liked the book of Isaiah -- to the point of referencing it a lot in the book of Revelation

"the Sabbath - the Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13

2. Because Christ had already made the case for "the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" with John as Mark reminds us in Mark 2:28

Notice that John never says "week day 1 is the Lord's day" and when John describes the resurrection he refers to the as still being "week day 1" --

John 20:1 "Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and *saw the stone already removed from the tomb. 2 So she *ran and *came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and *said to them, “They have taken the Lord from the tomb, and we do not know where they have put Him.” 3 So Peter and the other disciple left, and they were going to the tomb.

This would be the perfect place in the gospel to introduce "the first day of the week - the Lord's Day - Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb..."
 
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There was no Bible when St. Paul wrote those words. All they had was his letters and word of mouth. Or did someone go back in time and give them a copy of the Bible? For the first 3 centuries Christianity was tradition. How can that tradition have been based on the Bible if it did not exist at that point?

You ignore the part where I said that the seventh day is kept Holy, by the service of Vespers, and also by the fact that many of the faithful will do extra prayers, and abstain from certain activities in preparation for Communion. So your point is moot.
Yes there was the Old Testament was regally quoted by Jesus and the disciples.

Here is just an example of Jesus quoting from Isaiah

Luke 4:16 16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

There are over 100 quotes from the OT.

Also I am not ignoring the fact that you say
You ignore the part where I said that the seventh day is kept Holy, by the service of Vespers, and also by the fact that many of the faithful will do extra prayers, and abstain from certain activities in preparation for Communion. So your point is moot.

The Sabbath is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. The bible tells us the preparation is on Friday for Sabbath not Sabbath for Sunday. Mark 15:42
 
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There was no Bible when St. Paul wrote those words. All they had was his letters and word of mouth. Or did someone go back in time and give them a copy of the Bible?

Luke 24 exists so we know that NT readers understood the term "all of scriptures"

Luke 24:25 And then He said to them, “You foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to come into His glory?” 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the Prophets, He explained to them the things written about Himself in all the Scriptures.

44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all the things that are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

Because Acts 17:11 exists and so we know that NT readers understood the sola scriptura concept of searching the scriptures to SEE IF some doctrinal teaching "IS SO". "they searched the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things were SO"

Because 2 Tim 3:16 uses the term "ALL scripture" to be used for doctrine. "16 All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching (doctrine), for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness;
 
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