Hebrews 8 shows us that Christ gave the TEN Commandments - Christ's Commandments

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Heb 8:6-12 makes it very clear that Christ is the one speaking at Sinai

1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord set up, not man... 6 But now He (Christ) has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He (Christ) is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. 8 For in finding fault with the people, He (Christ) says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord (Christ),
When I (Christ) will bring about a new covenant
With the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
9 Not like the covenant which I (Christ) made with their fathers
On the day I (Christ) took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I (Christ) did not care about them, says the Lord (Christ).
10 For this is the covenant which I (Christ) will make with the house of Israel
After those days, declares the Lord:
I (Christ) will put My (Christ) laws into their minds,
And write them on their hearts.
And I (Christ) will be their God,
And they shall be My (Christ) people.
11 And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen,
And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For they will all know Me (Christ),
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 For I (Christ) will be merciful toward their wrongdoings,
And their sins I (Christ) will no longer remember.”
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So then the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 known to Jeremiah and his readers writes the LAW of God "on heart and mind". That includes the TEN according to Paul in Eph 6:2 having "honor your father and mother as the first commandment WITH a promise". And even in the NT - "Sin IS the transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4. Which means it is "still a sin" - to take God's name in vain (Ex 20:7) - even for born again Christians.

So then NO such thing as "God's covenant deleted/removed/annulled/set-aside/made void" - the Commandments of God.

Rather "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
And "this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Where saints are commanded to "fulfill" compliance with those commandments found in the Law of Moses as noted by Christ in Matt 19 where He says "KEEP the Commandments" - and Paul quotes from that same list in Rom 13.

Rom 3:"31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

The moral law of God includes "the Ten" having "' honor your father and mother' as the first commandment with a promise" according to Paul in Eph 6:2

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We can notice that the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers included the TEN - as Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations freely admit


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


That is a good example of a text that does not say "the Commandments of God have been made obsolete" but rather the old covenant is obsolete for those under the New Covenant.

Here is another one "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm all TEN of the Ten Commandments for Christians and the Sabbath in Eden for all mankind from Eden to the cross.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

I like it when Christians from many different points of view can all agree on the same obvious Bible details.

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

Yep! That is the whole point of this.
 
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Well, if the Father speaks, the Son and Spirit also speak.

In the doctrine of the triune Godhead form of the Trinity - God is not divided - and yet only God The Son was incarnate and died on the cross as the "atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2 NIV - so they do have personhood "one God in three Persons".

In any case the point is not to claim "these are Christ's commandments not God the Father's" - yet Christ himself also makes certain distinctions when He talks about the work of the Holy Spirit in John 16.
 
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In any case the point is not to claim "these are Christ's commandments not God the Father's" - yet Christ himself also makes certain distinctions when He talks about the work of the Holy Spirit in John 16.

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.


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Heb 8:6-12 makes it very clear that Christ is the one speaking at Sinai

1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord set up, not man... 6 But now He (Christ) has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He (Christ) is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. 8 For in finding fault with the people, He (Christ) says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord (Christ),
When I (Christ) will bring about a new covenant
With the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
9 Not like the covenant which I (Christ) made with their fathers
On the day I (Christ) took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I (Christ) did not care about them, says the Lord (Christ).
10 For this is the covenant which I (Christ) will make with the house of Israel
After those days, declares the Lord:
I (Christ) will put My (Christ) laws into their minds,
And write them on their hearts.
And I (Christ) will be their God,
And they shall be My (Christ) people.
11 And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen,
And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For they will all know Me (Christ),
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 For I (Christ) will be merciful toward their wrongdoings,
And their sins I (Christ) will no longer remember.”
===============================

So then the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 known to Jeremiah and his readers writes the LAW of God "on heart and mind". That includes the TEN according to Paul in Eph 6:2 having "honor your father and mother as the first commandment WITH a promise". And even in the NT - "Sin IS the transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4. Which means it is "still a sin" - to take God's name in vain (Ex 20:7) - even for born again Christians.

So then NO such thing as "God's covenant deleted/removed/annulled/set-aside/made void" - the Commandments of God.

Rather "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
And "this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Where saints are commanded to "fulfill" compliance with those commandments found in the Law of Moses as noted by Christ in Matt 19 where He says "KEEP the Commandments" - and Paul quotes from that same list in Rom 13.

Rom 3:"31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law."



===============================

We can notice that the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers included the TEN - as Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations freely admit


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


That is a good example of a text that does not say "the Commandments of God have been made obsolete" but rather the old covenant is obsolete for those under the New Covenant.

Here is another one "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm all TEN of the Ten Commandments for Christians and the Sabbath in Eden for all mankind from Eden to the cross.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

I like it when Christians from many different points of view can all agree on the same obvious Bible details.

None of the verses that you've cited limit what they are speaking about to just ten of God's commandments.
 
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None of the verses that you've cited limit what they are speaking about to just ten of God's commandments.

I don't think that the moral law of God that defines what sin IS and was written one the heart in the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 (the one and only Gospel of Gal 1:6-9) was limited to "just the TEN" but it included the TEN where "honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 in that unit of law.

============== and because some folks reference this particular POV so often - I am including it.

John says in Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

No wonder Paul says "what then? Do we nullify the Law of God by our faith? On the contrary! We ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

== examples of agreement on the Ten - included in the moral law of God. =======

sources that all affirm all TEN of the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

============= points of agreement

1. the 10 - (not merely the NINE or the ZERO) commandments included in the moral law of God - that defines what sin is.
2. the 10 given by God in Eden for mankind
3. the 10 continue to apply to mankind
4. the 10 are also written on stone
5. none of them argue that the 10 as given by God in the OT had the 4th commandment pointing to weekday 1.



Key point from OP - Bible scholars in most Christian denominations (on BOTH sides of Sabbath debate) all admit
1. the 10 - (not merely the NINE or the ZERO) commandments included in the moral law of God - that defines what sin is.
2. the 10 given by God in Eden for mankind
3. the 10 continue to apply to mankind
4. the 10 are also written on stone
Differences do exist beyond that basic set of four points
5. none of them argue that the 10 as given by God in the OT had the 4th commandment pointing to weekday 1.

So while other points of difference do exist none of the five above are examples of 'differences' for the examples I give - yet it is on these very areas of agreement - where almost ALL DISAGREEMENT posting in S&L is focused.

How "odd".

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When I say "Bible scholars on BOTH sides of the Sabbath debate" agree on certain obvious Bible details I am saying

1. there are TWO sides (not just one) - so on at least some points there has to be differences -- so as to have "TWO sides not just one"
2. even so there are bible details so obvious that even those 2 different sides agree to them.

obviously
 
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Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

how nice then to notice that it is Jesus speaking His commandments at Sinai - as the OP points out from Paul's statement in Heb 8
 
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how nice then to notice that it is Jesus speaking His commandments at Sinai - as the OP points out from Paul's statement in Heb 8
You mean Jesus was quoting the Father's commandments that the Father gave only to the children Of Israel and some gentiles who joined the Israelites in their flight out of Egypt?

We know that Jesus was subject to the laws of the Sinai covenant. He referred them as His Father's commandments. If they were issued by Jesus why would Jesus tell us they were the Father's commandments?

What is it you are trying to prove? We know the laws of the old covenant ended at Calvary. We also know that God never ever gave the gentiles the laws of the old Sinai covenant. Why, after Jesus gave His life on a , the cruelest way to take a person's life, releasing the Jews from the bondage of the old covenant then turn around and put gentiles under those laws? What you and all the others who teach that we have to keep a day, pay a tithe and sustain from eating certain food is not the truth. I thank my Savior for giving all mankind the new covenant. Yes, Jesus kept the demands of the Sinai covenant down to the smallest letter then releasing the Jews from them and giving them the commandments found in Jn 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. Then Jesus had John write the following: 1jn 3: 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Jesus said it and John wrote it and I believe it. Praise be to the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
 
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You mean Jesus was quoting the Father's commandments that the Father gave only to the children Of Israel

Heb 8 says it is Jesus speaking - and John 14 says He speaks only as the Father directs even in the NT - are you thinking maybe that;
1. Jesus was wrong to say that in John 14 since it is in the NT?
2. or that Paul is wrong to say it is Jesus speaking at Sinai in Heb 8?
3. or that Isaiah was wrong to specifically single out gentiles for Sabbath keeping in Is 5:6?
4 or that Jesus was wrong to say "the Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27
5. or that God was wrong to say that for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23?
6. or that the Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations are wrong to agree that the Sabbath was given to mankind and not "just Jews"??

What is it you are trying to prove?

It is pretty clear is it not?
 
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We know the laws of the old covenant ended at Calvary. We also know that God never ever gave the gentiles the laws of the old Sinai covenant. .

1. Not one text in the Bible say "all the Laws in the OT ended at Calvary" or "All the Laws known to Moses or written by Moses -- ended at Calvary".
2. Not one text says that it is ok for gentiles to take God's name in van. Gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6
 
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Gal 3: 19, Eph 2:15, Jn 15: 9-14 to name a few that tell us we are not under the laws given only to Israel and ended at Calvary. You and your church err in what is the Good News. Hint: it is not the old covenant warmed over.
 
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Gal 3: 19, Eph 2:15, Jn 15: 9-14 to name a few that tell us we are not under the laws given only to Israel and ended at Calvary.

John 15 does not say that about the Sabbath.
Gal 3 does not say God's commandments were ended at the cross.
Eph 2 only speaks of the separation between Jews and gentiles and in Is 56:6 gentiles are specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping as in "All mankind" in Mark 2:27 and Is 66:23
Ex 20:11 points directly at Gen 2:1-3 for the Sabbath made for mankind

You and your church err in what is the Good News. .

Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations agree with us that ALL TEN are written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant from Eden to this very day.

"Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19
"Westminster Confession of Faith" sectn 19
C.H. Spurgeon
Matthew Henry
Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism
R.C Sproul
"D.L. Moody"
"Dies Domini"
 
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how nice then to notice that it is Jesus speaking His commandments at Sinai - as the OP points out from Paul's statement in Heb 8


Are you claiming the Father and the Son are exactly the same?

Mat_10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.


Are you attacking the doctrine of the Trinity?

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Are you claiming the Father and the Son are exactly the same?

One God - Deut 6:4
In THREE Persons - Matt 28:19

In John 17 - Jesus prays to the Father.

In John 14 - Jesus and the Father send the Holy Spirit
 
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One God - Deut 6:4
In THREE Persons - Matt 28:19

Which of those three lives inside believers who have placed their faith in His works at Calvary, as found in Galatians 3:1-2?

Which of those three inspired the following verse?

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Are you going to fix your profile page so others can see it?
Or are you going to leave it hidden for some reason?


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Which of those three lives inside believers who have placed their faith in His works at Calvary, as found in Galatians 3:1-2?

Gal 2:20 says Christ.
1 Cor 3:16 says it is the Holy Spirit
John 14 says it is both the Father and the Son

What is your point?
 
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Heb 8:6-12 makes it very clear that Christ is the one speaking at Sinai

1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord set up, not man... 6 But now He (Christ) has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He (Christ) is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. 8 For in finding fault with the people, He (Christ) says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord (Christ),
When I (Christ) will bring about a new covenant
With the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
9 Not like the covenant which I (Christ) made with their fathers
On the day I (Christ) took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I (Christ) did not care about them, says the Lord (Christ).
10 For this is the covenant which I (Christ) will make with the house of Israel
After those days, declares the Lord:
I (Christ) will put My (Christ) laws into their minds,
And write them on their hearts.
And I (Christ) will be their God,
And they shall be My (Christ) people.
11 And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen,
And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For they will all know Me (Christ),
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 For I (Christ) will be merciful toward their wrongdoings,
And their sins I (Christ) will no longer remember.”
===============================

So then the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 known to Jeremiah and his readers writes the LAW of God "on heart and mind". That includes the TEN according to Paul in Eph 6:2 having "honor your father and mother as the first commandment WITH a promise". And even in the NT - "Sin IS the transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4. Which means it is "still a sin" - to take God's name in vain (Ex 20:7) - even for born again Christians.

So then NO such thing as "God's covenant deleted/removed/annulled/set-aside/made void" - the Commandments of God.

Rather "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
And "this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Where saints are commanded to "fulfill" compliance with those commandments found in the Law of Moses as noted by Christ in Matt 19 where He says "KEEP the Commandments" - and Paul quotes from that same list in Rom 13.

Rom 3:"31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law."



===============================

We can notice that the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers included the TEN - as Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations freely admit


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


That is a good example of a text that does not say "the Commandments of God have been made obsolete" but rather the old covenant is obsolete for those under the New Covenant.

Here is another one "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm all TEN of the Ten Commandments for Christians and the Sabbath in Eden for all mankind from Eden to the cross.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

I like it when Christians from many different points of view can all agree on the same obvious Bible details.
Actually, your OP is a false claim and you've edited your comments into the scriptures.
If Christ asked, "Didn't Moses give you the law?" you have some more explaining to do.
 
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John 15 does not say that.
Okay, then pray tell us what Jesus really did say? I would be interested in your supposedly superior knowledge on the verses.

Gal 3 does not say God's commandments were ended at the cross.
Well, that is news to me. Pray tell us what Gal 3:19 really says according to your understanding?

Eph 2 only speaks of the separation between Jews and gentiles
Oh, that is very interesting. Only??? I believe I specifically referred you to Eph 2:15 where it says: 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, So much for your telling us that Eph 2 only. Have you been appointed to remove all the other thoughts we glean from scripture?

and in Is 56:6 gentiles are specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping
Yes, under the old covenant, that has faded away, gentiles were always welcome to join the covenant. The point is that they were never required to join. What is your point?

as in "All mankind" in Mark 2:27 and Is 66:23
Ex 20:11 points directly at Gen 2:1-3 for the Sabbath made for mankind
First of all, allow me to remind you that it does not say "mankind". Secondly, we have discussed Is 66 and 65 over and over. Chapter 65 says we won't remember the past. In 66 it says we will weekly walk amongst the dead worm eating bodies. 65 tell us we will live to be over 100 and babies won't die in infancy. All which means Is 66:23 may not be the best preference.

Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations agree with us that ALL TEN are written on the heart and mind under the New Covenant from Eden to this very day.
What Babylon believes make you feel warm and cozy?
 
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1. Not one text in the Bible say "all the Laws in the OT ended at Calvary" or "All the Laws known to Moses or written by Moses -- ended at Calvary".
Not sure who would make that claim as you presented it.
There are several scriptures that says the ten commandments are the words of the covenant.
If God said that He would give a New Covenant, tell us what happens to the Old?

2. Not one text says that it is ok for gentiles to take God's name in van. Gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6
The fact that Isa 56 is a prophecy about Gentile joining Israel as proselytes before the cross exposes slight or ignorance. Also, how can you take God's name in vain if you don't know Him as your God?
 
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