Why did God create you?

Isaiah 43:21
New International Version

21 the people I formed for myself
that they may proclaim my praise.

Isaiah 43:7
New International Version

7 everyone who is called by my name,
whom I created for my glory,
whom I formed and made.”

Major1 said:

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I hope that I am not the only one here who has no clue what you are trying to say!

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Well, I will tell you that if you try to understand my pov from within your own pov, you will never understand. You have to be able to be open minded enough to see things from my pov to be able to understand the questions, (aka: the serious accusations of blasphemy) I MAKE ABOUT YOUR POV.

Many people think that pce theology is a one trick pony, ie, that the only thing it contains is the one idea of our pre-earth existence.

But that is just isn't so. I have over 100 verses or verse clusters that speak to a great many of the blasphemies of orthodoxy, offering a solution.

What I say is clear enough except to those who are so immersed in orthodoxy they cannot see past the blinkers constraining their view t only orthodoxy.

Of all my detractors in orthodoxy, this type of person is hardly represented at all. Most take the time and effort to thoughtfully understand my pov and then make up their mind about it...

Some have even been so surprised by the vast scriptural references I use as TO CONSIDER PCE IN A NEW LIGHT.

Major1 said:

To quote Matthew Poole's Commentary on Job 38:7...........

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Poole???

The one commentator I habitually ignore as the most blinkered,

Major1 said:

I would say that the key to spirituality is in Romans 12:2.........
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind ."

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My mind was renewed to believe in our PCE...why is that not acceptable? You do not have one verse in all of scripture that claims our pce is impossible! All you got is a contesting pov with no more proof than I have, ie, an interpretation of scripture.

fide said:

Only God can interpret and understand God.

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...and that is why I accept the leading of the Holy Spirit about PCE.

fide said:

The question for us, here and now is: Do I Have Life?????

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Too open, too broad, too easily dumped into the morass of sophisticated theo-babble...

Who is your Father?

TedT said:

My mind was renewed to believe in our PCE...why is that not acceptable? You do not have one verse in all of scripture that claims our pce is impossible! All you got is a contesting pov with no more proof than I have, ie, an interpretation of scripture.

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PCE is Mormon dogma not Bible truth.

YOU CAN NOT show ONE single Scripture from the Bible that PCE is possible!

Where does this teaching of preexistence come from then?

From Plato and the Stoics philosophy..........
“Before time began the soul was without a body, an archetype, the heavenly man pure in spirit in paradise, yet longing after the archetype, God. Some of the pure spirits descended into bodies and lost their purity”

The Bible teaches in1 Cor. 15:46-47:.......
“However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second is man is from heaven.”

On this main point Mormonism disagrees with all of Christian teaching founded in the Bible.

Gen. 2:7:.......
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.”

Mormons like to use Jer.1:5: ....
Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you...”

However, This verse is not talking about pre-existence. It is talking about God’s ordination and appointment of Jeremiah to be a prophet to his nation.

Let’s look at the whole verse: “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

This was God’s plan for Jeremiah, in the same way Eph. 2:10:....
“For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”

TedT said:

This reflects YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURE... NOT the scriptures themselves. To imply that a differing interpretation does not accept scripture is arrogant.



Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death [not sin] came to all people, because all [had already] sinned—

The condemnation of sinners spoken of here is the judgement of death on sinners, NOT the imputation of sin unto non-sinners.

Which theological sleight of hand do you like best to prove that the one who sinned third brought sin into the world? The only straight forward method of taking this at face value is if Adam was a sinner before he was placed, moved, sown into the garden and brought this sin with him: Matt 13:36-39.

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Original sin is also described as ancestral sin, is a Christian view of the nature of sin in which humanity has existed since the fall of man. Original sin arose from Adam and Eve's transgression in Eden, as is recorded in the Scriptures which I already posted for you and the sin of disobedience in eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Original sin can be explained as “that sin and its guilt that we all possess in God’s eyes as a direct result of Adam’s sin in the Garden of Eden.”

So as to make it easy to understand, God determined that we would all be on Adam's team, and once Adam committed the foul, then we get penalized for it. But then you have the good news, which is the flip side of that, which is that we're on Christ team. Those who trust in Christ receive his ... Points!

The points that he scored, we were on the bench. We didn't even get into the game. Christ scores the points, and then we win as a team. Nobody ever says, "Wait a second. It's not fair that Jesus Christ died in my place. What's up with that?" No, no one ever says that.

It is not about Fairness! I am talking about what's just and what's right. And God is just, and he'll absolutely do what's right in every case.

Now as for "Slight of theological hand."......I have no idea o=ow that works.

I do however know what the Bible which is............ we are born sinners and that we are by nature sinners. and you are welcome to read it in............

Psalm 51:5 says that we all come into the world as sinners:.......
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.”

Ephesians 2:2 declares that all people who are not in Christ are.....
“sons of disobedience.”

Ephesians 2:3 also establishes this, stating that we are all .....
“by nature children of wrath.”

If we are all “by nature children of wrath,” it can only be because we are all by nature sinners — for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty. God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and became sinful due to the sin of Adam.

Now you are welcome to call that anything you want to.

Major1 said:

Original sin is also described as ancestral sin, is a Christian view of the nature of sin in which humanity has existed since the fall of man. Original sin arose from Adam and Eve's transgression in Eden, as is recorded in the Scriptures which I already posted for you and the sin of disobedience in eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Original sin can be explained as “that sin and its guilt that we all possess in God’s eyes as a direct result of Adam’s sin in the Garden of Eden.”

So as to make it easy to understand, God determined that we would all be on Adam's team, and once Adam committed the foul, then we get penalized for it. But then you have the good news, which is the flip side of that, which is that we're on Christ team. Those who trust in Christ receive his ... Points!

The points that he scored, we were on the bench. We didn't even get into the game. Christ scores the points, and then we win as a team. Nobody ever says, "Wait a second. It's not fair that Jesus Christ died in my place. What's up with that?" No, no one ever says that.

It is not about Fairness! I am talking about what's just and what's right. And God is just, and he'll absolutely do what's right in every case.

Now as for "Slight of theological hand."......I have no idea o=ow that works.

I do however know what the Bible which is............ we are born sinners and that we are by nature sinners. and you are welcome to read it in............

Psalm 51:5 says that we all come into the world as sinners:.......
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.”

Ephesians 2:2 declares that all people who are not in Christ are.....
“sons of disobedience.”

Ephesians 2:3 also establishes this, stating that we are all .....
“by nature children of wrath.”

If we are all “by nature children of wrath,” it can only be because we are all by nature sinners — for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty. God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and became sinful due to the sin of Adam.

Now you are welcome to call that anything you want to.

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The ancestral sin model as described by St. John Cassian is the preferred hamartiology of the Eastern Orthodox Church and also the Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrians. St. Augustine’s original sin model where original sin is transmitted via concupiscence is not followed by the Eastern churches.

fide said:

I find that so many "doctrinal" differences (Catholic/protestant) have a beginning at a deeper level than usually is ever addressed. Maybe this question can illuminate something essential - a foundational belief upon which the Christian revelation can either stand true, or collapse under the weight of contradictions concerning God Himself.

Why do you exist? Why did God make you? What is your purpose in His Heart?

I'd be grateful to hear responses.

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I live to suffer, there's nothing cool in this broken world. You suffer all your life, you struggle to just die and finally end this torment, if you live in accordance with God's will, you will be with the Savior Jesus Christ, others will go to hell.

I accept God's plan, but for me it's difficult, nothing in this world makes sense, only after death if you are saved it makes sense.

The Liturgist said:

The ancestral sin model as described by St. John Cassian is the preferred hamartiology of the Eastern Orthodox Church and also the Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrians. St. Augustine’s original sin model where original sin is transmitted via concupiscence is not followed by the Eastern churches.

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I understand. All I do is post the Scriptures. It is not responsibility to promote or validate what any other group believes what he Bible says or does not believe.

Major1 said:

I understand. All I do is post the Scriptures.

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What if someone disagrees with your personal interpretation of any Scripture you post, while claiming to be under the guidance of the Holy Spirit? How would you determine whose interpretation is correct and whose is not?

Fidelibus said:

What if someone disagrees with your personal interpretation of any Scripture you post, while claiming to be under the guidance of the Holy Spirit? How would you determine whose interpretation is correct and whose is not?

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I don't know who this is addressed to but I have come to be able to hear my Master's voice and to trust Him, expecting Him to clarify for me so I hold my condemnation of their claim in abeyance since I have had to change my mind about the leading of the Holy Spirit before.

I'm pretty set in my faith so my usual reaction is, "Hmmm, I don't think so...yet."

TedT said:

I don't know who this is addressed to but I have come to be able to hear my Master's voice and to trust Him, expecting Him to clarify for me so I hold my condemnation of their claim in abeyance since I have had to change my mind about the leading of the Holy Spirit before.

I'm pretty set in my faith so my usual reaction is, "Hmmm, I don't think so...yet."

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If what is heard is not coming from the written Word of God then it just might be your imagination.

Major1 said:

If what is heard is not coming from the written Word of God then it just might be your imagination.

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Where does it say this in the bible? Book, chapter, and Verse please.