Christian Colleges Tangled in LGBT Policies.

HARK! said:

Here is some science for you:

TheBornGayHoax.pdf

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No science here....Well maybe if you count junk science and fake science as science but I don't.

So lets open up this "science" and take a look.

It's self published(always a good sign) and it's author Ryan Sorba is not a doctor, or any sort of medical professional. NOt a geneticist, a psychologist, or...anything.
Sorba doesn't have any post grad education is any field much less in an area that woudl make him an expert in this area.

It would be tempting to skip the "history" Sorba presents and move directly to the "science" but i just can't let his deliberate mangling of historical facts slide.

In his section on Alfred Kinsey Sorba relies on the claims of Judith Reisman . Reisman is famous for many things including here years of research into how inappropriate contentography in both physical form and as viewed over the internet releases "an addictive mixture of chemicals" which she has dubbed "erototoxins". These invisible intangible particles ttck the brains of those viewing inappropriate contentography making them addicted to inappropriate contentography and causing unspecified brain damage Ref The Sex Industrial Complex: The Big Sexology, Big inappropriate contentography & Big Pharmaceutical Cabal and The Sex Industrial Complex Reisman 2005

Reisman has blamed Kinsey for her daughter's death form an anurism even though Kinsey had been dead for years before her daughter died. SHe has also falsely claimed that Kinsey was himself a pedophile and when the Kinsey Institute produces evidence that this was not the case she sued them for slander.

In his chapter The Intimidation of the American Psychiatric Association I quickly lost count of the misinformation and the outright lies Sorba was telling.

In the end the APA applied actual science and asked those claiming homosexuality was a mental illness to provide actual evidence. The group advocating homosexuality could not provide any evidence and fifty years later have still been unable to provide such evidence

Sadly it takes over a third of the publications length before Sorba even mentions science

He starts with the LeVay hypothalamus study of 1991 showing the anterior hypothalamus of homosexuals men were significantly larger then in heterosexual men. He list the usual tlaking points for dismissing LeVay's findings concluding that the results of the hypothalamus study are not repeatable...ignoring the fact that the study has been replicated...many times
Structural and Functional Sex Differences in the Human Hypothalamus D.F.Swabb J of hormones and behavior 2001
difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity A.G.Falgueras Brian 2008
The interstitial nuclei of the human anterior hypothalamus: an investigation of variation with sex W.Byne J of Human Behv. 2001
and many others


Next he attacks Dean Hamer saying his 1993 study was somehow invaded because it didn't include a control group...except it did. A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation DH Hamer Science 1993

Sorba then attacks a study by Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard. Sorba doesn't name the study for some reason or quote it either. The study was Genetic and environmental influences on sexual orientation and its correlates in an Australian twin sample.

Sorba wrongly states: "in order to show that “homosexuality” is genetic using identical
twins, one must demonstrate that when one twin is “gay” the other will also be “gay” 100% of the time." the average 5th grader could tell you why this is just wrong. Maybe Sorba should have asked one

But that is it for the science....or what he pretends is science. He doesn't attempt to include any more

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Well of course you would think that.

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no it's the conclusion of years of research into the subject

Do you think this Muslim man should be punished for denying his son transition therapy?

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I don't believe for one moment this actually happened

Quartermaine said:

I don't believe for one moment this actually happened

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I wouldn't expect you to believe it. I would however expect you to support a Turkish policy with regards to the removal of children.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

I wouldn't expect you to believe it.

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Why would i believe an undocumented anecdote from an unnamed source the reads like the talking points form just about every Hate group around?

HARK! said:

I find it ironic that you said this, after asking if the book that I presented was peer reviewed.

lol

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Why one Earth would you? I am sorry, but you are not making any sense at all. The point should have been obvious. That was not "science". The "book" is a homophobic rant.

Quartermaine said:

Why would i believe an undocumented anecdote from an unnamed source the reads like the talking points form just about every Hate group around?

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You don't have to. Just like I don't have to take you seriously when you characterize everyone who disagrees with you as hateful. I suppose I also don't have to take seriously non-denominational progressive political theology which has no grounding in Christianity.

BTW, that everyone includes most to nearly all Christians before you.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

You don't have to. Just like I don't have to take you seriously when you characterize everyone who disagrees with you as hateful.

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and i don't have to take you seriously when you present the same false narrative....again.

HARK! said:

I didn't mention anything about the morality of homosexuality.

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post #7 you state that homosexuals "rejects YHWH's word" a moral claim
post #12: you complain that "Christians must be subjected to unholy teachings" a moral claim
post #31: your belief that homosexuality is is not and cannot be "acceptable behavior" is a a moral claim
Post #54: "homosexuality is perverted" Moral claim
Post #118 homosexuality is "is perverted choice" moral claim

HARK! said:

I didn't mention anything about the morality of homosexuality.

However, being civil and respecting the rights of others is a moral issue.

Homosexuals don't seem to respect the religious freedom of Christians. Have you ever seen what happens when a Christian is preaching in the presence of a large number of homosexuals? It's often violent. If you have no knowledge of this phenomenon; you might do a Youtube search, and educate yourself on the subject.

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why not pick a few for us to view...ones where we can hear the loving message of said preachers.

Quartermaine said:

and i don't have to take you seriously when you present the same false narrative....again.

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How is your theology significantly different from secular progressivism? Is there anyone who is against LGBT who you think isn't hateful? Literally in every thread that is your only refrain.

HARK! said:

Have you ever seen what happens when a Christian is preaching in the presence of a large number of homosexuals?

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What kind of preaching do you have in mind here? My experience of this is a priest or pastor who spends 10-15 minutes explaining the meaning of one or more Scripture passages and suggesting ways to apply those passages to one's daily life, in a setting where lots of the people in the congregation are gay. I haven't seen that turn violent, but maybe I haven't visited the same churches you have.

FireDragon76 said:

I'm post-liberal and I have no faith in the narrative of progress being some kind of inevitability of history. I am not so naive.

I just object to socially conservative religion being supported by the rest of us who want nothing to do with it. If you want enemies, I can't think of any easier way to find them, than make me pay for a religion I do not agree with and will not agree with.

And some people wonder why resentment against Christians is growing. This is Exhibit A.

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I suppose that if we really want it all to be equalized, then we'll want to see the U.S. government revoke tax payer support to ANY religious institution, and not just the Christian ones. So, if there's a Buddhist temple receiving support, it's revoked. If there's a Unitarian church or Jewish synagogue or Muslim mosque receiving support, it's revoked. Or if there's any other religiously based charity or organization, however seemingly beneficent, support to them should also be ... utterly and completely revoked.

HARK! said:

I wouldn't visit a homosexual church. Apparently you didn't fully comprehend my post.

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If the preaching didn't take place in church, where did it happen?

Subduction Zone said:

Are you sure about that? When I Google searched by coping your phrase " Constitutional protection against discrimination based on sexual or gender identity," I found this as the most recent case in regards to that and it appears to contradict your claim:

"Landmark U.S. Supreme Court Ruling Prohibits Sexual Orientation And Gender Identity-Based Discrimination In Employment (US)

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It doesn't. The court found that the language used in the Civil Rights Act applied to gender identity and sexual orientation, but that was a matter of statutory interpretation, not Constitutional law. Title IX uses the same language, so gender and sexual identity are protected. But it also has an explicit exception to the law, and that will be the controlling issue here.

FireDragon76 said:

George Fox University. There have no doubt been others, but that's the case I am most familiar with, and the one most salient in the various lawsuits that have been brought in class-action against the universities:

As Oregon lawmakers consider ban, Portland man says he still carries scars of conversion therapy

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This university does NOT recommend conversion therapy, much less require it, as you said.

You have the story of one guy, who sought the therapy.

It was not forced on him. He consented. Some advice he got (watch inappropriate content!!). Wow.

From the article, which I had to get here, as yours is blocked and would not open without subscription:

"The (panic) attack, Southwick thought, probably happened because he was so anxious about his attraction to men. He hoped confessing would cure his anxiety, so he told his parents, teachers and dorm resident assistant.

"Everyone responded with compassion," he said. "But it was misdirected compassion."

They suggested Southwick seek counseling. He started with the George Fox counseling center, where a licensed therapist supervised graduate students from the counseling program. Southwick said a graduate student counseled him and told him to watch heterosexual inappropriate contentography.

"The hope was that it would stir up some desire for women," Southwick said. "It did not work."

George Fox purges all counseling records after seven years, according to school spokesman Rob Felton, and privacy laws prevent school officials from commenting about student counseling patients.

The counseling center does not recommend that kind of therapy, Felton said, and any counselor who recommended it would have not been authorized to do so.

HARK! said:

However, being civil and respecting the rights of others is a moral issue.

Homosexuals don't seem to respect the religious freedom of Christians. Have you ever seen what happens when a Christian is preaching in the presence of a large number of homosexuals? It's often violent. If you have no knowledge of this phenomenon; you might do a Youtube search, and educate yourself on the subject.

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That’s ignoring all the violence that has been perpetrated against them.