James and the Gospel

Ligurian said:

Matthew 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

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It helps if you if you state why you are quoting something, so I'm not left guessing as to why you are quoting it. In Luke 12:1, Jesus stated that the leaven of the Pharisees is hypocrisy, which I agree we should beware of. Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so it would absurd to interpret Jesus as criticizing them for doing what he did or for teaching people to obey what God commanded them to do.

Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

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Yes, our obedience to the Mosaic Law is how we show that we love God with all of our heart and soul. This is stated repeatedly, such as in Deuteronomy 6:4-7, 10:12-13 and 30:1-16.

Exodus 20:18 And all the people perceived the thundering, and the flashes, and the voice of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and all the people feared and stood afar off, 19 and said to Moses, Speak thou to us, and let not God speak to us, lest we die. 20 And Moses says to them, Be of good courage, for God is come to you to try you, that His fear may be among you, that ye sin not. 21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses went into the darkness where God was. 22 And the Lord said to Moses, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and thou shalt report it to the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have spoken to you from Heaven. 23 Ye shall not make to yourselves gods of silver, and gods of gold ye shall not make to yourselves. 24 Ye shall make to Me an altar of earth; and upon it ye shall sacrifice your whole burnt-offerings, and your peace-offerings, and your sheep and your calves in every place, where I shall record My name; and I will come to thee and bless thee. 25 And if thou wilt make to Me an altar of stones, thou shalt not build them hewn stones; for thou hast lifted up thy tool upon them, and they are defiled. 26 Thou shalt not go up to My altar by steps, that thou mayest not uncover thy nakedness upon it.LXX

Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O My Father, if this cup may not pass away from Me, except I drink it, Thy will be done.

1 Samuel 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. 7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.

Esaias 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, Heaven is My throne, and the earth is My footstool: what kind of a house will ye build Me? and of what kind is to be the place of My rest? 2 For all these things are Mine, saith the Lord: and to whom will I have respect, but to the humble and meek, and the man that trembles at My words? 3 But the transgressor that sacrifices a calf to Me, is as he that kills a dog; and he that offers fine flour, as one that offers swine’s blood; he that gives frankincense for a memorial, is as a blasphemer. Yet they have chosen their own ways, and their soul has delighted in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their mockeries, and will recompense their sins upon them; because I called them, and they did not hearken to Me; I spoke, and they heard not: and they did evil before Me, and chose the things wherein I delighted not.
5 Hear the words of the Lord, ye that tremble at His word; speak ye, our brethren, to them that hate you and abominate you, that the name of the Lord may be glorified, and may appear their joy; but they shall be ashamed.LXX

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It's not clear to me why you quoted these other verses or how these verses are related to my last post.

Soyeong said:

"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it.

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"pleroo = to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.:--accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply."--Strong's Greek to English Dictionary

Soyeong said:

In Matthew 19:3, Jess was asked whether it was lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason. To provide some context, Gittin 90a-b interprets Deuteronomy 24:1-4 as saying that a man is permitted to divorce his wife if she ruined his meal or if he found someone who was prettier than her. It was divorce over frivolous reasons that was not so from the beginning, rather everything Jesus taught about marriage and divorce in in accordance with the OT.

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Matthew 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 21:41 They say unto him, he will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Soyeong said:

Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so it would absurd to interpret Jesus as criticizing them for doing what he did or for teaching people to obey what God commanded them to do.

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Matthew 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

Ligurian said:

"pleroo = to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.:--accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply."--Strong's Greek to English Dictionary

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It helps if I don't need to guess whether you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. Please discuss how your understanding of the definitions that you listed relate to what I said.

Matthew 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 21:41 They say unto him, he will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

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Not sure why you quoted this passage or how it relates to anything that I've said. Please discuss why you quoted it.

Matthew 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

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Jesus was being questioned about his selection of disciples and why they weren't fasting and the your interpretation of that parable needs to be relevant towards answering that question, and it wouldn't hurt if you explained why you think his selection of disciples and why they weren't fasting is relevant to this thread.

Soyeong said:

It helps if I don't need to guess whether you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. Please discuss how your understanding of the definitions that you listed relate to what I said.

Not sure why you quoted this passage or how it relates to anything that I've said. Please discuss why you quoted it.

Jesus was being questioned about his selection of disciples and why they weren't fasting and the your interpretation of that parable needs to be relevant towards answering that question, and it wouldn't hurt if you explained why you think his selection of disciples and why they weren't fasting is relevant to this thread.

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Matthew 21:37 = Revelation 3:8

Matthew 9:14 Then came to Him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not? 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

They weren't questioning Jesus' selection of Disciples. If they had, then Matthew 20:25-16 would apply. But John's disciples were under the Old Covenant... old garment. And Jesus' Disciples have been under the New Covenant since Jesus began to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom in Galilee.
New wine + new bottles = 1 Peter 1:23-25 and James 1:18

Ligurian said:

Matthew 21:37 = Revelation 3:8

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Do you agree or disagree about what it means to fulfill the law? A number of the definitions you listed were in accordance with what I said, but I'm getting the impression that you disagree. I can't read your mind, so it's still not clear to me what Matthew 21:37 or Revelation 3:8 has to do with anything that I've said.

Matthew 9:14 Then came to Him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not? 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

They weren't questioning Jesus' selection of Disciples. If they had, then Matthew 20:25-16 would apply. But John's disciples were under the Old Covenant... old garment. And Jesus' Disciples have been under the New Covenant since Jesus began to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom in Galilee.
New wine + new bottles = 1 Peter 1:23-25 and James 1:18

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Jesus and his disciples were all under the Mosaic Covenant. Jesus lived in sinless obedience to the terms of that covenant and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced. He did not speak about the New Covenant until right before his death and the New Covenant was not instituted until his death, so he was not speaking about the New Covenant at the start of his ministry, nor does speaking about the New Covenant have anything to do with answering the question that he was asked. At that point, Jesus had just selected Matthew as disciple, and his selection of disciples was not what many would expect. Not sure what Matthew 20:25-26, 1 Peter 1:23-25, or James 1:18 have to do with being questions about why his disciples weren't fasting.

Jesus began his ministry with he Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles (Matthew 4:15-23), and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of His Gospel, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14).

Ligurian said:

Matthew 21:37 = Revelation 3:8

Matthew 9:14 Then came to Him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not? 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

They weren't questioning Jesus' selection of Disciples. If they had, then Matthew 20:25-16 would apply. But John's disciples were under the Old Covenant... old garment. And Jesus' Disciples have been under the New Covenant since Jesus began to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom in Galilee.
New wine + new bottles = 1 Peter 1:23-25 and James 1:18

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Soyeong said:

Do you agree or disagree about what it means to fulfill the law? A number of the definitions you listed were in accordance with what I said, but I'm getting the impression that you disagree. I can't read your mind, so it's still not clear to me what Matthew 21:37 or Revelation 3:8 has to do with anything that I've said.

Jesus and his disciples were all under the Mosaic Covenant. Jesus lived in sinless obedience to the terms of that covenant and did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced. He did not speak about the New Covenant until right before his death and the New Covenant was not instituted until his death, so he was not speaking about the New Covenant at the start of his ministry, nor does speaking about the New Covenant have anything to do with answering the question that he was asked. At that point, Jesus had just selected Matthew as disciple, and his selection of disciples was not what many would expect. Not sure what Matthew 20:25-26, 1 Peter 1:23-25, or James 1:18 have to do with being questions about why his disciples weren't fasting.

Jesus began his ministry with he Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles (Matthew 4:15-23), and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of His Gospel, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14).

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The New Covenant commenced after John went to prison. The Last Passover is the New Covenant ratified. Those who keep the Gospel of the Kingdom have also accepted the New Covenant: the sure mercies of David Isaiah 55:3.

These 'sure mercies of David' cannot be a patched-up Old Covenant because of Matthew 9:12-13 and Matthew 9:16-17.

Nor can these 'sure mercies of David' be Paul's gospel of "Christ crucified"... because that took place after the New Covenant was ratified between Jesus and His Galilean Apostles.

John 10:1-5 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 10:2 But He that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 10:3 To Him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear His voice: and He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 10:4 And when He putteth forth His own sheep, He goeth before them, and the sheep follow Him: for they know His voice. 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from Him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Ligurian said:

The New Covenant commenced after John went to prison. The Last Passover is the New Covenant ratified.

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Can you quote anything in the Bible that supports your claim? Even if it it were true, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so if he lived under the New Covenant, then that would be the way that we should also live under the New Covenant.

Those who keep the Gospel of the Kingdom have also accepted the New Covenant: the sure mercies of David Isaiah 55:3.

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I do accept the New Covenant and while we are under it and not under the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to act in accordance with His nature. For example, God's righteousness is eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to do what is righteous are eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any.

These 'sure mercies of David' cannot be a patched-up Old Covenant because of Matthew 9:12-13 and Matthew 9:16-17.

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Jesus was asked why his disciples weren't fasting, so his answer had to do with why they weren't fasting and had nothing to do with being under any particular covenant.

Nor can these 'sure mercies of David' be Paul's gospel of "Christ crucified"... because that took place after the New Covenant was ratified between Jesus and His Galilean Apostles.

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In Romans 15:4, Paul said that OT Scriptures were written for our instruction, and in 15:18-19, his Gospel message involved bringing the Gentiles to repentance in word and in deed, so his Gospel message was on the same page as the Gospel of Christ in regard to teaching repentance from our sins in disobedience to the Mosaic Law.

John 10:1-5 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 10:2 But He that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 10:3 To Him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear His voice: and He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 10:4 And when He putteth forth His own sheep, He goeth before them, and the sheep follow Him: for they know His voice. 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from Him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

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Will you please explain why you are quoting random passages that have nothing to do with what we are speaking about?

Ligurian said:

The New Covenant commenced after John went to prison. The Last Passover is the New Covenant ratified. Those who keep the Gospel of the Kingdom have also accepted the New Covenant: the sure mercies of David Isaiah 55:3.

These 'sure mercies of David' cannot be a patched-up Old Covenant because of Matthew 9:12-13 and Matthew 9:16-17.

Nor can these 'sure mercies of David' be Paul's gospel of "Christ crucified"... because that took place after the New Covenant was ratified between Jesus and His Galilean Apostles.

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Soyeong said:

Can you quote anything in the Bible that supports your claim? Even if it it were true, Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so if he lived under the New Covenant, then that would be the way that we should also live under the New Covenant.

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Matthew 26:13 If what this woman did in preparation for His burial is the Gospel, then Jesus lives and teaches the Gospel of the Kingdom. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 24:14 And so do His Galilean Disciples. Matthew 10:6-7 Matthew 28:18-20.

Soyeong said:

I do accept the New Covenant and while we are under it and not under the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to act in accordance with His nature. For example, God's righteousness is eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to do what is righteous are eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any.

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Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Matthew 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. ... 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Soyeong said:

Jesus was asked why his disciples weren't fasting, so his answer had to do with why they weren't fasting and had nothing to do with being under any particular covenant.



In Romans 15:4, Paul said that OT Scriptures were written for our instruction, and in 15:18-19, his Gospel message involved bringing the Gentiles to repentance in word and in deed, so his Gospel message was on the same page as the Gospel of Christ in regard to teaching repentance from our sins in disobedience to the Mosaic Law.



Will you please explain why you are quoting random passages that have nothing to do with what we are speaking about?

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You don't seem to understand the Gospel of the Kingdom. And you've forgotten that Paul calls the law nailed to the cross in Colossians 2:14. In fact, Paul curses the gospel where the Holy Spirit is given by works of Law, Galatians 1:6, Galatians 2:7-9, Galatians 3:2, which is certainly the Gospel of the Kingdom, Matthew 5:19, John 14:15-17, which Peter was teaching in Galatia, 1 Peter 1:1.

Ligurian said:

Matthew 26:13 If what this woman did in preparation for His burial is the Gospel, then Jesus lives and teaches the Gospel of the Kingdom. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 24:14 And so do His Galilean Disciples. Matthew 10:6-7 Matthew 28:18-20.

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Again, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which is a light to the Gentiles (Matthew 4:15-23), and the Mosaic Law is how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel message, which he prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14). Jesus spent his ministry teaching his disciples how to obey the Mosaic Law, so that is also what he commissioned them to teach all nations (Matthew 28:18-20).

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

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The same God who gave the Law to Moses also sent Jesus to show us how to obey it, so there is no disagreement. Jesus taught obedience to the Law both by word and by example, so we need to accept his words.

You don't seem to understand the Gospel of the Kingdom. And you've forgotten that Paul calls the law nailed to the cross in Colossians 2:14. In fact, Paul curses the gospel where the Holy Spirit is given by works of Law, Galatians 1:6, Galatians 2:7-9, Galatians 3:2, which is certainly the Gospel of the Kingdom, Matthew 5:19, John 14:15-17, which Peter was teaching in Galatia, 1 Peter 1:1.

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Every kingdom has laws that govern the conduct of His citizens and God's law is straightforwardly the law of God's Kingdom. In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of God, and the Father has straightforwardly made His will known through what He has commanded (Psalms 40:8). Likewise, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them.

In Colossians 2:14, Paul did not speak about any laws being nailed to the cross, but about our penalties for trancing God's law being nailed to the cross. Jesus died because of our disobedience to God's law, not in order to set us free to disobey it. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people who are zealous for doing good works, not in order to redeem us from the law and to purify for himself a people who have rejected his laws for how to do good works.

In Romans 15:18-19, Paul's Gospel involved bringing Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed, so his Gospel was on the same page. Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonians 1:8, and 1 Peter 4:17 all speak against those who do not obey the Gospel. I have not suggested either that we should obey man-made works of the law or that the Spirit comes through obeying them, but rather I have spoke in favor of obeying the Mosaic Law. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to submit to the Mosaic Law. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit aspects of God's nature that are in accordance with it. The Mosaic Law was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it is the Law of the Spirit.

HIM said:

No they are the base, the foundation of the Book of the Law.

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More proof that the TCs are not "the whole law".
Would you call the foundation of a house the whole house? (of course not)

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Unless I am missing something, that proves nothing.

If what you are saying is correct, then shouldn't the end of verse eleven say the "whole law"? (which you claim means the TCs

Are not the Ten Commandments a subset of the law? (10 of 613 laws)

HIM said:

But the ten are the base line and cover those.

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If you want to say that the principle of the Ten Commandments are inclusive of the other 600+ commandments, then I would agree, just as the principles of the greatest two commandments are, but my opposition is to the view that James is speaking only about the Ten Commandments.

To say the 600+ are part of the whole James is referring makes the following untrue.
Those penalties are of the 600+ you are purporting

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Again, Colossians 2:14 is not speaking about any of God's 600+ laws being nailed to the cross, just the penalties for breaking them. For example, there is a difference between these two statements:

1.) You shall not commit murder.

2.) This person has been found guilty of committing murder.

The first is an example of a law that is for our own good, while the second in an example of an ordinance that is against someone that was nailed to their cross in order to announce why they were being executed. Jesus going to the cross to pay all of the penalty for the list of our violations of God's law that we have committed that were nailed to our crosses does not in any way diminish any of the 600+ laws.

HIM said:

But the ten are the base line and cover those.

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Assuming the TCs were "engraved in letters on stone", here's what the Apostle Paul has to say about them. Scripture below.
They were the transitory ministry of condemnation and death that has no glory now. The letter kills.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11 NIV
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

HIM said:

It was the ministration that brought death. Not what was said but how it was ministered. That which was through the tables of stone and ink is now through the Spirit on our hearts. For God has said. He will write His laws on our hearts and on our minds. Making us the vessels of the ministry. Not on tables of stone but on the fleshly tables of the heart. Manifestly declared to be the epistles of Christ. Who has made us able ministers. Not that we sufficient of ourselves, But our sufficiency is of God. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure

2Cor 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Cor 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Cor 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Cor 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

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Are you keeping the Jewish Sabbath?

HIM said:

Christ is our Passover, sin offering, and sanctifier. Laws pertaining to passover, sacrifices, and ceremonies pertaining to our sin and the temple service fulfilled in Christ and nailed to the Cross.

1Cor 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

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In 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke in regard to how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover lamb, however, instead of concluding that we no longer need to keep Passover, he concluded in verse 8 that we should therefore continue to keep it, which is the opposite point you are trying to make by quoting verse 7. To keep Passover is to testify that what it teaches us about the nature of Christ is true, while to refuse to keep it is to deny the truth of what it teaches us about the nature of Christ. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, but you do not consistently interpret that is nailing the Law of Christ to the cross, but rather we fulfill the law by correctly obeying it. Again, Colossians 2:14 does not speak about any laws being nailed to the cross, but about our penalties for breaking them being nailed to the cross. The only way to abolish any of God's laws is for what that law teaches us about the eternal nature of God to become no longer true, which is never going to happen. In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the law and warned against relaxing the least part of it or teaching others to do the same, and in Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness, so by saying any laws were nailed to the cross, you are calling Jesus a liar and undermining what he gave himself to accomplish on the cross.

Maria Billingsley said:

I am affraid we will never see eye to eye . I do not live by the Torah, I live by Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Be blessed.

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The people who relentlessly preach to you concerning obeying the law and being pure concerning it do not themselves obey the law. Its frightening really:
The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you Matthew7:2
The bible tells us the Ten Commandments are the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation, yet many seem to judge whether they will make it to Heaven by obedience to those laws. One has to wonder if they truly understand what obedience to the letter entails