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Christian Witches: New Age in the Church

I saw this on YouTube and thought I’d share it for others to chew on.

Lead me in your truth and teach me, for you are the God of my salvation; for you I wait all the day long. —Psalm 25:5

Well, I watched it, what parts did you want us to chew on or discuss...?

Luke 23:34- "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

God Bless!
 
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I've encountered a few in my time one of my best friends is a nurse who identifies as a Christian witch. Thier exists some odd traditions that come from pagan beliefs and christianity in it's spread coming togather. The "year walk" where a person walks through a forest to a church in order to see into the future comes to my mind.
 
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I've encountered a few in my time one of my best friends is a nurse who identifies as a Christian witch. Thier exists some odd traditions that come from pagan beliefs and christianity in it's spread coming togather. The "year walk" where a person walks through a forest to a church in order to see into the future comes to my mind.

I encountered Christian witches on the pagan side. Syncreticism isn't new and there's a lot of mixture. I've studied enough to recognize it.

People are drawn to witchcraft for seven reasons:

Results
Control
Power
Connection
Autonomy
Pain/Escape
Dissatisfaction
Confusion

When you hear their stories one or more crop up. Why the practices appeal to 'believers' is debatable. I have my suspicions.

~bella
 
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Whatever you feel led to share. :)

~bella
Most of what she said is right and very true, but I think she is also taking it to some, perhaps very unhealthy maybe, perhaps extremes at times maybe also maybe, etc...

Children who "don't know", etc...

Not everyone is always inviting something Satanic or demonic in always, etc...

People are also at different ages and stages also, and God protects fools and little children until they come to know better, and who are we to say for each individual one when or what or how that should be and/or come about, or be, etc...

She herself said she was in it for quite awhile, etc...

Well, what if God has a different timeframe/timing with others, etc...

But, I digress I guess...

I just know that we can take it to a point where everything is all bad and evil and demonic and Satanic, and that is not a very good place to be going, or to end up being, etc...

In my opinion your Christianity and Christian beliefs have to be stronger than that, etc... In my opinion, it and/or you has to be able to face and/or deal with the world and not be constantly running away from it, etc, because you have no (good) choice but to be in it, and be "social" the best you can in it, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Most of what she said is right and very true, but I think she is also taking it to some, perhaps very unhealthy maybe, perhaps extremes at times maybe also maybe, etc...

Children who "don't know", etc...

Not everyone is always inviting something Satanic or demonic in always, etc...

People are also at different ages and stages also, and God protects fools and little children until they come to know better, and who are we to say for each individual one when or what or how that should be and/or come about, or be, etc...

She herself said she was in it for quite awhile, etc...

Well, what if God has a different timeframe/timing with others, etc...

But, I digress I guess...

I just know that we can take it to a point where everything is all bad and evil and demonic and Satanic, and that is not a very good place to be going, or to end up being, etc...

In my opinion your Christianity and Christian beliefs have to be stronger than that, etc... In my opinion, it and/or you has to be able to face and/or deal with the world and not be constantly running away from it, etc, because you have no (good) choice but to be in it, and be "social" the best you can in it, etc...

God Bless!
But we also should not be diluting or polluting our Christianity either, or be compromising it at all where we should not, etc, but everyone also has to find a balance also, but without doing that as far as we ourselves go, etc...

And we are not our own God/gods also, and she made some good points there, etc...

World is pretty full of that right now, etc...

And I'm pretty sure it offends God, etc...

The "me, me, me" points are also good also, etc, everything is always centered around "me", etc...

But this is also only the behavior of "children" also, like I just now tried to say, etc...

God Bless!
 
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I encountered Christian witches on the pagan side. Syncreticism isn't new and there's a lot of mixture. I've studied enough to recognize it.

People are drawn to witchcraft for seven reasons:

Results
Control
Power
Connection
Autonomy
Pain/Escape
Dissatisfaction
Confusion

When you hear their stories one or more crop up. Why the practices appeal to 'believers' is debatable. I have my suspicions.

~bella

I agree with your reasons, particularly power and control. At least, that's what attracted me to Wicca when I was young. I just don't think that desire for power and control is compatible with the surrender and trust that is essential for Xn faith.
 
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Not everyone is always inviting something Satanic or demonic in always, etc...

I was raised in a Christian home and read voraciously. I brought home a lot of books. Including topics on religion. I had a hunger for God and knowledge. I remember one in particular. It had some odd things and I knew it was beyond me. I was eleven then. I put the book aside and returned it to the library.

The memory is etched in head for a reason. It echoes my approach to other paths. I read and became acquainted with many. But there were lines I didn't cross. And I always knew when to stop. If my heart and mind weren't aligned I left it alone.

I can tell hilarious stories about my experiences. There's a lot of supernatural stuff. But I wasn't alone. He was there all the time. He kept me from harm. I needed to know the things I learned for my calling. To aid others in similar situations or worse.

Nevertheless, choices have consequences and we're not as unscathed as we'd like to believe. There's always a cost. Inexplicable difficulties and irritations. Hardships and failures. Setbacks and disappointments. And lost opportunities.

You don't dance with the devil and come out clean. It doesn't work like that. There's always a price. You may not make the connection. But that doesn't mean you got a pass.

~bella
 
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I agree with your reasons, particularly power and control. At least, that's what attracted me to Wicca when I was young. I just don't think that desire for power and control is compatible with the surrender and trust that is essential for Xn faith.

Wonderful to see you! I hope you're well and the garden is blooming. :)

Power and control were never appealing. The notion of bending someone's will and inflicting my wants upon them is repugnant. I'm deeply opposed to it. That's my saving grace. I'd be adept if it wasn't. So would you.

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I was raised in a Christian home and read voraciously. I brought home a lot of books. Including topics on religion. I had a hunger for God and knowledge. I remember one in particular. It had some odd things and I knew it was beyond me. I was eleven then. I put the book aside and returned it to the library.

The memory is etched in head for a reason. It echoes my approach to other paths. I read and became acquainted with many. But there were lines I didn't cross. And I always knew when to stop. If my heart and mind weren't aligned I left it alone.

I can tell hilarious stories about my experiences. There's a lot of supernatural stuff. But I wasn't alone. He was there all the time. He kept me from harm. I needed to know the things I learned for my calling. To aid others in similar situations or worse.

Nevertheless, choices have consequences and we're not as unscathed as we'd like to believe. There's always a cost. Inexplicable difficulties and irritations. Hardships and failures. Setbacks and disappointments. And lost opportunities.

You don't dance with the devil and come out clean. It doesn't work like that. There's always a price. You may not make the connection. But that doesn't mean you got a pass.

~bella
I just don't think we should automatically demonize all of everything for everyone and all immediately right away, etc...

Were all at different ages and stages and places still, like I tried to say, etc...

God protects all who are still fools and little children, etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth, etc...

But as for the rest, thank you very much for sharing, I always like your posts and your words, etc...

And your ever changing profile pics are always very interesting/classy, etc, and I enjoy that as well also, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Wonderful to see you! I hope you're well and the garden is blooming. :)

Power and control were never appealing. The notion of bending someone's will and inflicting my wants upon them is repugnant. I'm deeply opposed to it. That's my saving grace. I'd be adept if it wasn't. So would you.

~bella

It's always good to see you posting and raising the C.F. bar of quality conversation. :)

Agreed. To try and bend the will of others is to act in complete disregard for the agency and dignity of those who bear the divine image.
 
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But we also should not be diluting or polluting our Christianity either, or be compromising it at all where we should not, etc, but everyone also has to find a balance also, but without doing that as far as we ourselves go, etc...

I encountered this years ago at an evangelical church. I was in a women's bible study and someone mentioned 'Christian yoga'. I was baffled. I'm conversant in Buddhism and Hinduism and wondered how they disconnected it from the root. She argued her point passionately and I filed it away.

I'm not surprised to hear other teachings have crept in. That's one of the reasons I read books instead of listening to sermons. Hearing is my primary learning method. I need to see what I'm taking in. I've caught my share of questionable things by doing so.

But this is also only the behavior of "children" also, like I just now tried to say, etc...

Belief is powerful. We lean in the direction with the greatest influence.

~bella
 
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Read 'Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future' by Fr. Seraphim Rose, he called out all this kind of stuff way back in 1975

Thanks for the recommendation. Did you read it? If so, can you share your thoughts? :)

~bella
 
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Not an expert in witchcraft per se but I think Christian witchcraft is oxymoronic, and probably based in ignorance

[1Sa 15:23 NKJV] 23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft...

[Eph 6:12 NKJV] 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places].

That's not to say that witches have powers and christians are powerless. The Apostles received power. We're talking about angelic powers, etc. Some are in rebellion. Ours are unified, with us and with God.

That said, I think new agey christian witches, delving into this stuff in ignorance, might be doing so out of some sense of disenfranchisement, which I can understand.
 
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I just don't think we should automatically demonize all of everything for everyone and all immediately right away, etc...

We need to speak with love. When we address difficult subjects or questionable practices it helps to have people who've walked that road talk to them. Reading or hearing about something isn't the same as living it. They cut to the heart in a manner others can't.

Back in the day testimonies were the norm. You heard their story and God's arrival and deliverance from darkness. If they were plentiful you'd have less waywardness. That crazy idea sounds good. You don't know any better. But hearing the results of someone who's done the same will slow you down. You'll think twice about it. Some will forge ahead of course. But more than a few will not. And they'll cite the testimony as their wake up call.

But as for the rest, thank you very much for sharing, I always like your posts and your words, etc...

And your ever changing profile pics are always very interesting/classy, etc, and I enjoy that as well also, etc...

God Bless!

Thank you Neo. You're too kind. :yellowheart:

~bella
 
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It's always good to see you posting and raising the C.F. bar of quality conversation. :)

Now you're making me blush. That southern charm is something else. :yellowheart:

Why do you believe this is seeping into the church? What's missing in your opinion?

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Not an expert in witchcraft per se but I think Christian witchcraft is oxymoronic, and probably based in ignorance

Ignorance of the word, God's will, or something else?

That said, I think new agey christian witches, delving into this stuff in ignorance, might be doing so out of some sense of disenfranchisement, which I can understand.

Why are they disenfranchised in your opinion?

~bella
 
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Thanks for the recommendation. Did you read it? If so, can you share your thoughts? :)

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Well it's a book that solidified my conversion to Christianity. It should be said that it is written from an unapologetic Orthodox Christian perspective, so it may not be for everyone.

Generally he discusses such things as 'Christian Yoga', Pentecostalism, as well as touching on the interest in Eastern meditation and UFOs etc. He also saw a trend towards the 'all religions are the same' line of thought beginning to appear in Christian voices during his time. He proposes that this trend will essentially pave the way for the one world religion of the antichrist. Many of the things he discussed were very fringe at the time, but he was blessed with the foresight to pick up on them and see the direction that they were pointed towards, and since then we have seen many of the things he spoke about come to the mainstream.
 
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