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Agreed that the New moons are a part of the appointed times as well as the annual sabbaths in the feast days that included Gods' 4th commandment. It is not a true application to God's 4th commandment however as an appointed time because the appointed times were monthly and annual and Gods' 4th commandment is only included in Gods' appointed times (annual Feast days) because some of the Feasts went longer than seven days or depending on the yearly cycle could fall on any day of the week.
Show me where it says they were only included because of that. It calls in appointed time. It is included in a list of appointed times. And just like the other appointed times it had sacrifices.
The appointed times or the application to these times to the Hebrew words, מִקְרָא קֹדֶשׁ; to holy convocations is to that calling out to a public assembly to a sacred place. In reference to the Sabbath (7th day) this was only applied to the annual Feast days during the times of the annual Feasts and never to the weekly "seventh day" Sabbaths of God's 4th commandment outside of the appointed Feast times. So your claims here are not biblical.
Yet we just had a protracted discussion by the Adventists earlier in the thread that it was in fact a time of worship, and an appointed time.
And of course texts were posted about going to synagogue, Isaiah 66, etc.
You were shown from the scriptures that the new moons were both to show Gods appointed times and was an appointed time. The fact that it was an appointed time of animal sacrifices does not rule out it's purpose as shown already through scripture that the purpose of the new moons was also to determine the annual Feast days or God's appointed times.
You didn't show that. That was my point. You quoted a text talking about the moon, and just supplied the application to the new moon assembly.
The plural is a non-starter because the plural is used in Ezekiel 45 in the LXX where the context spells out the weekly Sabbath is included in a parallel listing of appointed times.The context to Colossians 2:16 is not to God's 4th commandment but to the meat and drink offering, the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the annual Feast days. As posted earlier it is impossible for Gods' 10 commandments to be a shadow of anything because it is a part of the "finished work of creation" *Genesis 2:1-3. It point backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) not forwards to things to come (Colossians 2:17).
And the Sabbath was in fact a memorial of creation--given to Israel as a covenant with them. And it is a sign of God's sanctification--given to Israel. And it was also a memorial of redemption from Egypt (Deut. 5) of Israel. And it also had sacrifices as an appointed time. And it was included in Ezekiel 45, which is a listing of the appointed times, along with reference to sacrifices, and we see the same kind of list in Colossians, but you want to say it is not there. But it is, because it is referring to appointed times and their sacrifices.
The Sabbath is a ceremonial law in the heart of the covenant document with Israel. But in Acts 15 and 21, though the Gentiles were included in the promises, and included in the blessings to Abraham, and included in Israel, they were not in fact required to be circumcised and keep the whole law. Throughout the NT they are required to obey moral commandments, including those in the ten. But just as the other memorials for Israel with sacrifices, etc. the Sabbath was included in Colossians 2.
There was no sin and no law and no plan of salvation for unfallen man when the Sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11.
Yet we have no record of that being commanded of mankind until Israel, and in the context of a sign and a covenant, and a two way memorial with them. Just as the other appointed times were given to Israel, and most said to be forever statutes for them throughout their generations in all their dwellings.
You seem to be confused in relation to God’s 10 commandments not being all moral laws as an expression of love to God and love to man.
No in fact I am not confused. That a memorial, sign, covenant with Israel with attendant sacrifices is ceremonial is manifestly obvious.
Now of course it was still very much required of them, and so were the other ceremonial aspects.
What is the grain and drink offering for thou shalt not kill?
What is the grain and drink offering for thou shalt not commit adultery?
Seem silly? That is because those are moral principles, and the Sabbath is a ceremonial aspect in the heart of the covenant document--unique to that people.
Well that is great but how does the above help your argument? It doesn't. No one has argued that God's 4th commandment was not a part of the annual Holy convocations (calling out to private assemblies to a sacred place). If you remember I have already posted Leviticus 23 showing this earlier. Once again Ezekiel 45:17 just like Colossians 2:16 the context here is to the burnt offerings, the meat and drink offerings, the new moon and the sabbaths (plural once again) in the annual Feast days. This therefore does not help your argument.
No the fact that it spells out the weekly Sabbath means that it is included among those things. And it is the same type of listing in Colossians. And the plural in the LXX means the plural means nothing for your argument because it still included the weekly.
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