The United Kingdom Appears to be on the Verge of Medical Apartheid

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Here in the UK we appear to be edging ever closer to a system of medical apartheid. If you're unvaccinated for any reason, this new system will categorise you as a second class citizen.

Government is accused of introducing Covid passports 'by stealth' as NHS App is updated to include 'domestic' vaccine certificates after No 10's threat to require them for nightclubs and universities

And on the same day, a senior government minister has suggested that it is 'smart' for companies to require vaccination as a condition to returning to the office.

Vaccine passports for the office? Dominic Raab says it is ‘smart’ for firms to require staff to be fully-vaccinated before return to office as Downing Street signals there will not be a campaign to encourage more workers to ditch WFH

All this coercion, for a vaccine that doesn't even guarantee to stop infection or transmission. And it's happening at the same time as the latest Israeli data shows that the vaccines are really quite ineffective. This is clearly a political decision, rather than a scientific decision. The government has injected tens of millions of people, and has now judged that they've reached the critical number required in order to force a dystopian system on the entire population.


Can we have a slow clap for all the people who are not in an at risk group, but took the vaccine, either because they failed to see the potential for this to become a tool for total government control, or because they only considered their own selfish desire for a foreign holiday.

And now that people have taken the vaccine, and seen what the government is doing, how many will have the backbone to delete the government app, and refuse any booster jabs, in order to try and strangle this system of medical apartheid at birth. My guess is that having been suckered into the system, most will continue to comply, because it's the route of least resistance.

If you ever wondered how Germany ended up the way it did in the 1930s and 1940s, now you've got your answer. Too many spineless and gormless people, who will turn a blind eye and do what's required for an easy life, or are just too stupid to realise what's happening right under their nose.

To all of those in America, my advice is to watch out. Governments all over the world are currently moving in lockstep with one common plan and towards one goal (the same is happening in France). There's a reason why Biden wants a specific percentage injected, and it's nothing to do with defeating the virus. Once enough people have been injected, they'll move into the next phase, to try and make it impossible to live outside their dystopian, totalitarian system.
 

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And it's happening at the same time as the latest Israeli data shows that the vaccines are really quite ineffective.

[Citation needed]

On a related note, I do find it odd that people seem to be ignoring the history of vaccines and mandatory vaccinations. This is *not* a new thing, as this sort of thing goes back 100+ years (and yes, even predates 1930s Germany believe it or not).
 
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Here in the UK we appear to be edging ever closer to a system of medical apartheid. If you're unvaccinated for any reason, this new system will categorise you as a second class citizen.

Government is accused of introducing Covid passports 'by stealth' as NHS App is updated to include 'domestic' vaccine certificates after No 10's threat to require them for nightclubs and universities

And on the same day, a senior government minister has suggested that it is 'smart' for companies to require vaccination as a condition to returning to the office.

Vaccine passports for the office? Dominic Raab says it is ‘smart’ for firms to require staff to be fully-vaccinated before return to office as Downing Street signals there will not be a campaign to encourage more workers to ditch WFH

All this coercion, for a vaccine that doesn't even guarantee to stop infection or transmission. And it's happening at the same time as the latest Israeli data shows that the vaccines are really quite ineffective. This is clearly a political decision, rather than a scientific decision. The government has injected tens of millions of people, and has now judged that they've reached the critical number required in order to force a dystopian system on the entire population.


Can we have a slow clap for all the people who are not in an at risk group, but took the vaccine, either because they failed to see the potential for this to become a tool for total government control, or because they only considered their own selfish desire for a foreign holiday.

And now that people have taken the vaccine, and seen what the government is doing, how many will have the backbone to delete the government app, and refuse any booster jabs, in order to try and strangle this system of medical apartheid at birth. My guess is that having been suckered into the system, most will continue to comply, because it's the route of least resistance.

If you ever wondered how Germany ended up the way it did in the 1930s and 1940s, now you've got your answer. Too many spineless and gormless people, who will turn a blind eye and do what's required for an easy life, or are just too stupid to realise what's happening right under their nose.

To all of those in America, my advice is to watch out. Governments all over the world are currently moving in lockstep with one common plan and towards one goal (the same is happening in France). There's a reason why Biden wants a specific percentage injected, and it's nothing to do with defeating the virus. Once enough people have been injected, they'll move into the next phase, to try and make it impossible to live outside their dystopian, totalitarian system.

Right-wing nonsense.
 
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There's a reason why Biden wants a specific percentage injected, and it's nothing to do with defeating the virus. Once enough people have been injected, they'll move into the next phase, to try and make it impossible to live outside their dystopian, totalitarian system.
What utter nonsense.
 
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What utter nonsense.

If mandatory vaccinations is the criteria for defining a dystopia, the West has been living in a dystopia for over 100 years now.
 
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And on the same day, a senior government minister has suggested that it is 'smart' for companies to require vaccination as a condition to returning to the office.

Welcome to tin foil hat talk!

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Nightclubs are gross, and gross people go to them, as they germ pools even pre-Covid. Doesn't surprise me a bit that that they'd take action with the most transmissible virus of our time.
 
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[Citation needed]

On a related note, I do find it odd that people seem to be ignoring the history of vaccines and mandatory vaccinations. This is *not* a new thing, as this sort of thing goes back 100+ years (and yes, even predates 1930s Germany believe it or not).

Right, it's even required when going to Universities.
 
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The United Kingdom Appears to be on the Verge of Medical Apartheid

Appearances can be deceptive. Don't believe everything that appears on The Daily Mail website 'Mail Online'.

Wow. I didn't click on the link so didn't know. The Mail? Holy Toledo! I wouldn't trust them to get the date right.

And Alcoa share prices went up nearly 3% yesterday. Always worth buying when there are conspiracies about.
 
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If mandatory vaccinations is the criteria for defining a dystopia, the West has been living in a dystopia for over 100 years now.

Yeah that whole polio epidemic destroyed all our freedoms and such.
 
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[Citation needed]

On a related note, I do find it odd that people seem to be ignoring the history of vaccines and mandatory vaccinations. This is *not* a new thing, as this sort of thing goes back 100+ years (and yes, even predates 1930s Germany believe it or not).
I suggest that you learn the difference between a fully approved vaccine, and a vaccine that is still in trial phase and only has emergency approval. If you are unable to do so, then I regret that I am unable to be of further assistance.

By the way, the Israeli data has already been debated on this forum. This data is important, because the Israelis were ahead of most countries on vaccination, so it's a snapshot into what the future will most likely look like for the UK and US. The Israeli data shows that there is almost an exact match between the proportion of people vaccinated and the proportion of people infected. From that point of view, the vaccine appears to have little to no impact whatsoever. As expected, there were a few dogmatic pro-vaxxers on here who were in denial, but nevertheless the data exists, whether you like it or not.

Welcome to tin foil hat talk!

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Nightclubs are gross, and gross people go to them, as they germ pools even pre-Covid. Doesn't surprise me a bit that that they'd take action with the most transmissible virus of our time.
I'm sure the covid virus doesn't actually know or care whether the carpet is sticky, or someone has vomited in the corner.

Right, it's even required when going to Universities.
First they came for the nightclubbers, and I said nothing, because I was not a nightclubber.

Then they came for the students, and I said nothing because I was not a student.

I'm sure you can work out how this ends.

The United Kingdom Appears to be on the Verge of Medical Apartheid

Appearances can be deceptive. Don't believe everything that appears on The Daily Mail website 'Mail Online'.
Other sources of the same information are available. If you can't be bothered to lift a finger to look, then that is not my problem.

Wow. I didn't click on the link so didn't know. The Mail? Holy Toledo! I wouldn't trust them to get the date right.

And Alcoa share prices went up nearly 3% yesterday. Always worth buying when there are conspiracies about.
Other sources of the same information are available. If you can't be bothered to lift a finger to look, then that is not my problem.
 
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I suggest that you learn the difference between a fully approved vaccine, and a vaccine that is still in trial phase and only has emergency approval. If you are unable to do so, then I regret that I am unable to be of further assistance.

By the way, the Israeli data has already been debated on this forum. This data is important, because the Israelis were ahead of most countries on vaccination, so it's a snapshot into what the future will most likely look like for the UK and US. The Israeli data shows that there is almost an exact match between the proportion of people vaccinated and the proportion of people infected. From that point of view, the vaccine appears to have little to no impact whatsoever. As expected, there were a few dogmatic pro-vaxxers on here who were in denial, but nevertheless the data exists, whether you like it or not.


I'm sure the covid virus doesn't actually know or care whether the carpet is sticky, or someone has vomited in the corner.


First they came for the nightclubbers, and I said nothing, because I was not a nightclubber.

Then they came for the students, and I said nothing because I was not a student.

I'm sure you can work out how this ends.


Other sources of the same information are available. If you can't be bothered to lift a finger to look, then that is not my problem.


Other sources of the same information are available. If you can't be bothered to lift a finger to look, then that is not my problem.

You're grossly misrepresenting the research out of Israel. It doesn't show that vaccines have no effect. Vaccines there are reducing severe disease and deaths.
 
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Other sources of the same information are available. If you can't be bothered to lift a finger to look, then that is not my problem.

The Mail is known as a rag by all reasonable people. You should see their letter page. Full of people who use nonsensical comparisons between proposed vaccine requirements and Nazi Germany. No, it's true I tell you! They really do.

I mean, who could possibly take such people seriously...
 
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The Mail is known as a rag by all reasonable people. You should see their letter page. Full of people who use nonsensical comparisons between proposed vaccine requirements and Nazi Germany. No, it's true I tell you! They really do.

I mean, who could possibly take such people seriously...

It's generally considered as rubbish in Britain and internationally.
 
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It's generally considered as rubbish in Britain and internationally.

Now I know that quoting from Wikipedia can raise an eyebrow or two as it's open to be edited by anyone. So simply saying 'I read it on Wiki' won't do unless there's some supporting evidence. But believe it or not, Wiki has decided that the standard of reportage from the Daily Mail is so execrable that it will generally prohibit that paper to be used as a reference:

'Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist. As a result, the Daily Mail should not be used for determining notability, nor should it be used as a source in articles. An edit filter should be put in place going forward to warn editors attempting to use the Daily Mail as a reference.' Wikipedia’s Daily Mail Ban Is a Welcome Rebuke to Terrible Journalism

Now there's an argument that says that is censorship. But the point is made that it's accuracy in it's reports leave, shall we say, something to be desired.
 
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