Did COVID Vaccines Kill Huge Numbers of UK Care Home Residents?

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No they didn’t, but an incompetent “government” discharging COVID patients from hospital straight into care homes, because of a shortage of hospital beds, did.
How exactly? They weren't contagious anymore. So explain how that works.
 
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How exactly? They weren't contagious anymore. So explain how that works.
I'm looking forward to you providing the evidence that they were no longer contagious. Not sure how you are going to do that.
 
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I'm looking forward to you providing the evidence that they were no longer contagious. Not sure how you are going to do that.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/

For how long after I am infected will I continue to be contagious? At what point in my illness will I be most contagious?
People are thought to be most contagious early in the course of their illness, when they are beginning to experience symptoms, especially if they are coughing and sneezing. But people with no symptoms can also spread the coronavirus to other people. In fact, people who are infected may be more likely to spread the illness if they are asymptomatic, or in the days before they develop symptoms, because they are less likely to be isolating or adopting behaviors designed to prevent spread.


By the 10th day after COVID symptoms begin, most people will no longer be contagious, as long as their symptoms have continued to improve and their fever has resolved. People who test positive for the virus but never develop symptoms over the following 10 days after testing are probably no longer contagious, but again there are documented exceptions.


A full, 14-day quarantine remains the best way to avoid spreading the virus to others after you've been exposed to someone with COVID-19. However, according to CDC guidelines, you may discontinue quarantine after a minimum of 10 days if you do not have any symptoms, or after a minimum of seven days if you have a negative COVID test within 48 hours of when you plan to end quarantine. People who are fully vaccinated do not need to quarantine or get tested after exposure, because their risk of infection is low. But they should be alert for symptoms, and should isolate and get tested if they develop symptoms after exposure.


Are you suggesting they sent people to nursing homes before they were no longer contagious? I'm looking forward to you providing evidence that they did that.
 
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Are you suggesting they sent people to nursing homes before they were no longer contagious? I'm looking forward to you providing evidence that they did that.
The incompetence of the UK government in this regard is, as far as I am aware, well recognised in the UK. Given the problems the US has experienced with Covid and Trump (and the presence of an intervening ocean) I am not surprised this didn't attract the same level of attention in the US.

Here is an extract from an item on the bmj website, Covid-19: Official figures “underestimate” deaths caused by discharging patients into care homes. I have emboldened the significant words.

The UK government has admitted that its policy during the early stages of the covid-19 pandemic to have patients moved from hospitals to care homes may have directly led to subsequent deaths.

Outbreaks of the virus could potentially be linked to the policy, says a report from Public Health England (PHE),1 because patients were not always tested for covid before being moved, a requirement that was introduced only in mid-April last year.

A link to the Public Health England report can be found on the website.
 
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The incompetence of the UK government in this regard is, as far as I am aware, well recognised in the UK. Given the problems the US has experienced with Covid and Trump (and the presence of an intervening ocean) I am not surprised this didn't attract the same level of attention in the US.

Here is an extract from an item on the bmj website, Covid-19: Official figures “underestimate” deaths caused by discharging patients into care homes. I have emboldened the significant words.

The UK government has admitted that its policy during the early stages of the covid-19 pandemic to have patients moved from hospitals to care homes may have directly led to subsequent deaths.

Outbreaks of the virus could potentially be linked to the policy, says a report from Public Health England (PHE),1 because patients were not always tested for covid before being moved, a requirement that was introduced only in mid-April last year.

A link to the Public Health England report can be found on the website.
Here the question would be in New York. Not old York. They are whining about the governor who moved people out who had been infected and were over their initial infection. He says he authorized movement of now healthier patients to continue their recovery in nursing homes in order to free up beds for actually sick patients. (He's a democrat) Trump, of course, started squealing that he caused the nursing home infections by moving sick patients there and infecting them.

Most of the nursing home infections that I'm aware of were caused by nurses who got sick and brought it in then once you had an infection everyone got it. It had nothing to do with the patients who were already past being contagious. And, I'll admit, I don't believe a word trump said. About anything. Ever.
 
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The situation in the UK seems reasonably clear: a significant portion of the deaths in care homes were down to a failure to test patients before they were sent back from hospital.The links I've provided make that clear. It would be nice if you could acknowledge that.

(Failure to provide adequate PPE, so that staff became infected, didn't help things.)
 
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Daily COVID deaths data is readily available from UK government sources. The UK vaccine roll out commenced on 8th December 2020, starting with the most vulnerable, who were typically elderly people living in care homes. At that point in time, the daily deaths appeared to have peaked. Shortly after the vaccine roll out began in care homes, the number of daily COVID deaths rapidly increased. Furthermore, it is known that:
1. Elderly people received the first vaccine available, which was the Astra Zeneca vaccine.
2. The Astra Zeneca vaccine can cause blood clotting (although this was not acknowledged until much later).
3. Symptoms of blood clotting can appear very similar to COVID symptoms (severe shortness of breath, for example).
4. It would be possible for an overly sensitive PCR test to detect spike protein from a vaccination, and cause a positive COVID test result.

Below is a chart of UK daily COVID deaths, created using UK government data. The red line marks the point in time when the first vaccinations were given to care home residents.

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Clearly correlation does not necessarily imply causation, but it does seem interesting that just when it appeared that deaths had peaked, vaccinations commenced, and the daily deaths started to rapidly increase. Also, it would seem strange if the COVID virus suddenly mutated to became more lethal, as that would overturn long-established knowledge on how these pathogens typically evolve.

As others have noted, there is a difference in timing of when a vaccine is released and the time in which people actually become vaccinated. Even though the vaccine was rolled put on December, most people weren't actually vaccinated until a few months later.
 
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