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Not sure what your perception of reality is. But one thing your comments have shown is that you do have a real sense of at least one reality. You sense that your sins are contrary to God. The thing with that is that such a sense may be environmental and arise from what others have taught you or life itself has led you to believe. The conviction of sin on the other hand comes with a true release because all such conviction by the Holy Spirit must in the end produce such a merciful act of God else we would be unable to repent. Repentance is not saying sorry. Repentance is understanding that what we have done is so contrary to the Father in heaven that He gave His beloved Son to mitigate our guilt perpetually.



Again this comment speaks of a reality - and yet alludes to an implication that another reality may exist that is beyond reach. And that sense may be why OCD is being looked into.



All pathologies are directly affected by the fall, and Adam telling God that he hid himself because he was naked, when he was in fact covered in an apron of leaves, speaks directly to his now weakened mind. It also speaks to the fact that man would never find in himself the means to be delivered. Unless God provides deliverance then there is no deliverance no matter how well informed or noble that effort of man may be.



Witchcraft and sorcery are always condemned in the bible. But Galatians 5:20 speaks about the chemical factory of the body itself when it speaks about φαρμακεία, transliterated pharmakeia and semantically meaning pharmacy.

The Law of Moses was given to teach us that we could not achieve an acceptable obedience to God through the Law - even when the Law came in by such terrible and wonderful means of the Exodus. The Exodus began by the death of the first born of Egypt and then was delivered in tablets of Stone to Israel on the back of more than 3000 of Israel being dashed to death and drowned in the Jordan. You asked God to dash you to death to uphold a vow - why would He do that when He already rose up on wings of eagles and gave us the Law and by the Law the prophets and by the prophets His Son?



Fear is not there because fear is the most essential healthy predicative experience that teaches us that we must understand why we have sinned. In its most optimistic meaning fear of God is the beginning of wisdom and wisdom is not a masculine pronoun - in the Hebrew bible wisdom is the only spirit that is given a feminine pronoun. Imagine that!

The occult and all sorcery is predicated on understanding the fallen character of the very chemical factory of the body. Today it's equivalence is empathetic intelligence grounded in psychology.



That I understand fully.



May I ask what beliefs you see I have spoken of when I spoke of being weak minded. I don't mind answering your question - but it may be better to tell me what you believe I have said that recognises your beliefs when I said you were weak minded.
Well like said fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom right? I don't see how this is much different. Also could reword your last question it's kinda confounding me. Correct if wrong but if witchcraft is connected to pharmacy (drugs) is using drugs acceptable? I do see your point about Israelites not being able to keep the law. Legalism didn't work because they couldn't keep the commandments. May I ask another question? A lot of Christians have said that mental illness is the result of sin and you shouldn't lean on therapist to pull you through since it's due to sin. Could ask your opinion on this? This was some of the advice I received concerning this.
 
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Well like said fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom right? I don't see how this is much different.

I am actually glad you said that because in a very real sense this [your predicament as per the OP] does have that meaning. On the face of it you have practised a habit of making vows to God since you were about sixteen. I tried to kill myself when I was sixteen. I took enough pills to drop a horse and then lay down to die. I woke uo two days later as bright as a puppy dog and went on with my life. Eight years later I was converted and I have never lost sight that the Father kept me despite myself. So when I was converted at twenty four years old I asked the Lord why He hadn't come and revealed Himself to me when I was sixteen. Being converted suddenly in a prison cell in solitary confinement does tend to establish that God is sovereign. I was concerned only with the things I had done since I survived my suicide attempt. And I have to tell you truthfully my friend - I did some very bad things.

In some ways life has a similar character for us all, and if we care for one another in Christ, then it isn't difficult to find similarities in our lives - especially how our lives go awry when we ourselves have no real way to moderate the effects or the consequences. Being a small child and even a teenager - life is filled with that meaning. It is what others do in that period that warps our thinking because most of that stuff is people in authority over us misusing their authority and causing us to doubt God and ourselves. Trying to take control of our own lives is a natural fact of coming to an accountable age with God. So sixteen is a time when we may try and do that. We may not even realise that when we were children we naturally try and please our parents and that can be because they tell us that to do so is to please God. In any case little children do want to please their parents and the policeman and the teacher and the pastor. But it is the parent that supplies the love and the affection that deflects some of their anger when they raise their hands and their voices - and it is the wrong use of authority that the policeman, the teacher and especially the pastor - that we most miss until we come to understand that the natural desire to please God was also underpinned by God putting into place all authorities to ensure that we never lose sight of our wrong doing when we have lost sight of God.

To go back to your point about "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom right? I don't see how this is much different" - Fear is what God put into place in our very physiology to ensure that we would never be so free that we could live as we please - even when we have no good parent or policeman or teacher or pastor. Even then we would know the need to stand and fight and pay the price of rebellion against God or else hide from God and only come out to speak to Him when He calls us and asks why we are hiding. [Fight or Fight]. I believe that you are unlikely to be one who always fought and railed when life lost its simple meaning - so perhaps its time to let God be God and stand still for a while and rest in the knowledge that He is unfathomably good and does not condemn us when we tell him that we are blind and naked and have not yet found our peace. That we are filled with fear and anxiety and that we have sinned in some ways and we are no longer able to comprehend it.

May I ask another question? A lot of Christians have said that mental illness is the result of sin and you shouldn't lean on therapist to pull you through since it's due to sin. Could ask your opinion on this?

My mother was a schizophrenic and she abused me from the womb to my teenage years relentlessly and mercilessly. One of the characteristic of her mental illness was sadism and paranoia. I was with her when she died and even though by then I had been a Christian for many years her mind was as much an impregnable wall in death as it had been in life. My father still raised his great fist to remind me that if I upset my mother I knew what I would get. These things belong to God. I came from them. They did not come from me. So as difficult as it may be - let God be God and take responsibility for the only life you have to give an account for when you are unmarried without children and twenty two years old. When you do that [and your vows are in that meaning - though mistaken] you will find that there are people who can help, and talking therapies can help. It is the Father in Christ by the Holy Spirit, however, who can deliver you and make your life a gift to others and pleasing to Him.
 
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I am actually glad you said that because in a very real sense this [your predicament as per the OP] does have that meaning. On the face of it you have practised a habit of making vows to God since you were about sixteen. I tried to kill myself when I was sixteen. I took enough pills to drop a horse and then lay down to die. I woke uo two days later as bright as a puppy dog and went on with my life. Eight years later I was converted and I have never lost sight that the Father kept me despite myself. So when I was converted at twenty four years old I asked the Lord why He hadn't come and revealed Himself to me when I was sixteen. Being converted suddenly in a prison cell in solitary confinement does tend to establish that God is sovereign. I was concerned only with the things I had done since I survived my suicide attempt. And I have to tell you truthfully my friend - I did some very bad things.

In some ways life has a similar character for us all, and if we care for one another in Christ, then it isn't difficult to find similarities in our lives - especially how our lives go awry when we ourselves have no real way to moderate the effects or the consequences. Being a small child and even a teenager - life is filled with that meaning. It is what others do in that period that warps our thinking because most of that stuff is people in authority over us misusing their authority and causing us to doubt God and ourselves. Trying to take control of our own lives is a natural fact of coming to an accountable age with God. So sixteen is a time when we may try and do that. We may not even realise that when we were children we naturally try and please our parents and that can be because they tell us that to do so is to please God. In any case little children do want to please their parents and the policeman and the teacher and the pastor. But it is the parent that supplies the love and the affection that deflects some of their anger when they raise their hands and their voices - and it is the wrong use of authority that the policeman, the teacher and especially the pastor - that we most miss until we come to understand that the natural desire to please God was also underpinned by God putting into place all authorities to ensure that we never lose sight of our wrong doing when we have lost sight of God.

To go back to your point about "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom right? I don't see how this is much different" - Fear is what God put into place in our very physiology to ensure that we would never be so free that we could live as we please - even when we have no good parent or policeman or teacher or pastor. Even then we would know the need to stand and fight and pay the price of rebellion against God or else hide from God and only come out to speak to Him when He calls us and asks why we are hiding. [Fight or Fight]. I believe that you are unlikely to be one who always fought and railed when life lost its simple meaning - so perhaps its time to let God be God and stand still for a while and rest in the knowledge that He is unfathomably good and does not condemn us when we tell him that we are blind and naked and have not yet found our peace. That we are filled with fear and anxiety and that we have sinned in some ways and we are no longer able to comprehend it.



My mother was a schizophrenic and she abused me from the womb to my teenage years relentlessly and mercilessly. One of the characteristic of her mental illness was sadism and paranoia. I was with her when she died and even though by then I had been a Christian for many years her mind was as much an impregnable wall in death as it had been in life. My father still raised his great fist to remind me that if I upset my mother I knew what I would get. These things belong to God. I came from them. They did not come from me. So as difficult as it may be - let God be God and take responsibility for the only life you have to give an account for when you are unmarried without children and twenty two years old. When you do that [and your vows are in that meaning - though mistaken] you will find that there are people who can help, and talking therapies can help. It is the Father in Christ by the Holy Spirit, however, who can deliver you and make your life a gift to others and pleasing to Him.
I'm sorry to hear all of this. Sounds like you've been through some rough stuff in your life. Abuse, suicide attempt and watching your mom die. Most be rough buddy. Glad to see you're seemingly better. I also think part of my fear stems from and bear with me: so the Catholic teaching is that love can arise from suffering and that suffering gives people an opportunity to be more like Jesus. Basically that God makes people suffer as somewhat to make them more Holy. Have no idea if this is biblical or not but Acts 9:16 and Phil 1:29 seem to imply something like this. Obviously has somebody who suffers from mental illness and making a bunch of vows the last thing I want to hear is that God causes most of our suffering. But anyway from what I'm understanding you're saying that God examines all of the circumstances surrounding our actions and learn to believe in his forgiveness?
 
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from what I'm understanding you're saying that God examines all of the circumstances surrounding our actions and learn to believe in his forgiveness?

I believe that to be truthful with you - both in a psychologically emotional meaning and in a true spiritual meaning then I must answer your last point first.

Your use of words here express a truth about God - but you must also recognise that the same truth could be applied to anyone at all.

One of the biggest difficulties we all face when we are distressed by mental health issues is that we make God to be a man. If we are in possession of the Apostolic Creeds and even a semblance of the gospels then we know that God did indeed become a man. So we speak of Christ - the Son of the living God. And then we are more easily able to sense how God is compassionate - even after Christ ascended into heaven and sat down at the right hand of the Father. In that ascended place we try to understand and often emphasise that God is merciful and as you say, "God examines all of the circumstances surrounding our actions and [we] learn to believe in his forgiveness?" And the difficulty with that truth is that we then begin to focus on natural things that concern us and miss that we have started to place our confidence in men to settle our concerns because we have either lost sight or else missed that God is not a man.

That is not a riddle - but speaks to the psychologically emotional soul and can have the effect of hiding the true spiritual meaning of what we are in Christ seated at the right hand of the Father.

so the Catholic teaching is that love can arise from suffering and that suffering gives people an opportunity to be more like Jesus. Basically that God makes people suffer as somewhat to make them more Holy. Have no idea if this is biblical or not but Acts 9:16 and Phil 1:29 seem to imply something like this.

Acts 9:16-21 doesn't have the meaning you infer. Philippians 1:29 does but only when qualified by the expression "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him,.." If we don't believe in Christ there is little point in suffering for the sake of Christ.
 
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Hello brothers and sisters. I am currently a 22 year old struggling with OCD and God's mercy and wrath. I started making vows around the age of 16 and usually I typically make it around asking for punishment for committing a sin and breaking the vow as an incentive to keep it. Most recently I've asked to be killed in a plane crash if I didn't stop doing sexual sin after vowing not to do it again. I think even after repenting you can still experience punishment for doing the sin. The problem is my friends are really trying to push to go on a trip at the end of August and I don't know what to tell them. I'm afraid. I can't just tell them since we planned this (didn't know we would be flying) and now I feel constricted. I don't want to end like Anais and Sapphira or the corinthians eatings the lords supper wrongly (both killed because of sin) but at the same time I'm being told to trust God's mercy. I'm so confused. Some advice and prayer would be helpful thanks.

Just thought I would post this because it is a very simple medical expression of OCD.

 
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Hello brothers and sisters. I am currently a 22 year old struggling with OCD and God's mercy and wrath. I started making vows around the age of 16 and usually I typically make it around asking for punishment for committing a sin and breaking the vow as an incentive to keep it. Most recently I've asked to be killed in a plane crash if I didn't stop doing sexual sin after vowing not to do it again. I think even after repenting you can still experience punishment for doing the sin. The problem is my friends are really trying to push to go on a trip at the end of August and I don't know what to tell them. I'm afraid. I can't just tell them since we planned this (didn't know we would be flying) and now I feel constricted. I don't want to end like Anais and Sapphira or the corinthians eatings the lords supper wrongly (both killed because of sin) but at the same time I'm being told to trust God's mercy. I'm so confused. Some advice and prayer would be helpful thanks.
I really do not believe you can pray for bad stuff to happen to others, and least of all yourself. Praying for a death in planecrash is suicide if it were to happen. That is a mortal sin. You should not go on a plane till you sort it out. I would read the definition of praying before you do this again. And if your prayer for planecrash were to be answered, it would be the devil answering. This is why people should not mess around with spiritism, quija boards and try to commuinicate with ghosts at haunted houses. See a documentary about the vatican exorcists and the work they do around the world. Beware, and I wish you well.
 
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Hello mindfulzen, welcome to CF.

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