It's unlikely I'll be answering your questions because I believe you will attempt to turn everything around into an argument.However, noting that you did not answer my question above,
Excellent - GoodbyeThat works.
Are you wanting to know what I think is their eternal destiny, and if so, why not say so?Excellent - Goodbye
Given to much pre-judging?It's unlikely I'll be answering your questions because I believe you will attempt to turn everything around into an argument.
The exchange will end up being petty, difficult and pointless - I'll learn nothing from it. No good will come from it. It'll be miserable and laborious with nothing gained at the end.
There seem to be more and more churches that are willing to see being gay as ok and also offer gay marriage. For example the Methodists in the UK recently voted to support gay marriage.
I know there are two sides in this debate and both have their own way of interpreting scripture and understanding the context of the various Bible passages.
I was talking to a Methodist lay preacher earlier, he is going to stop his preaching and probably join a different church.
My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?
There seem to be more and more churches that are willing to see being gay as ok and also offer gay marriage. For example the Methodists in the UK recently voted to support gay marriage.
I know there are two sides in this debate and both have their own way of interpreting scripture and understanding the context of the various Bible passages.
I was talking to a Methodist lay preacher earlier, he is going to stop his preaching and probably join a different church.
My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?
Would abiding in Christ meaning to Love God and Love neighbour? @HTacianas
I understand what you are saying, but the NT doesn't seem to view it that way.if you understand that in the NT all sexuall sin is seen the same way to God 'inappropriate contentea' then subdividing into personal 'kinks' and judging each others as if one worse any less deserving of death than another. and two sexual sin is not blaspheme of the holy Spirit (the only unforgivable sin) that it should be treated as any other sin then things will change. should homosexuals be allowed to be married, no as it is still a sin. should homosexuals be ban from church or targeted for hate no. no more than the boys high school sunday school class for not being able to stop masterbating.
We must separate the soul from the body who is sold as a slave to sin, and not allow the soul to indulge in sin which becomes evil, and at the same time not take it upon ourselves to cast out both the soul and the body if the brother is trying.
Ah..... No.I understand what you are saying, but the NT doesn't seem to view it that way.
It seems to present the sexual immorality of homosexuals as more grievous than other sexual immorality, presenting it as God's special "eye-for-an-eye, tooth-for-a-tooth" retaliation/judgment
on grievous pagan idolatry (spiritual whoredom, unfaithfulness)--so dishonoring to God in its representation of him as reptile and animal--that he "gave them over" to dishonoring themselves with one another just as they had dishonored him, punishing their sin of spirutal whoredom with the sin of sexual whoredom. . .as he punishes the sin of refusing to love the truth with the sin of believing the lie (2 Thessalonias 2:10-12); i.e., allowing sin to run its course as an act of judgment.
The basis for the NT understanding of the sexual immorality of homosexuals is Leviticus 18:22, where in the Hebrew it is called toebah, an abomination (detestable, repugnant, disgusting, revolting
--causing one to vomit). And I suspect that is because it is a perversion of the natural laws which God set in place at creation.
But in the final analysis, all sin is reduced to the one sin that condemns--unbelief in Jesus Christ.
The rest of them are really just window dressing (for one's future Gehenna habitat).
Honest look taken. . .sorry I didn't make it more clear.Ah..... No.
Take an honest look at your message.
you quoted 1 NT passage and it had nothing to do with sexual sin at all
god punishing a very specific sin with sin was the point of 2 thess 2. which again had nothing to do with homosexuality.Honest look taken. . .sorry I didn't make it more clear.
I did not quote the passage on sexual immorality to which I was referring; i.e., Romans 1:21-27,
and the passage I did quote is an example of what I stated; i.e., God punishing sin with sin,
it is not an example of sexual immorality.
Thanks.
And if you read my post, you will see that I did not say it did, I used it as another example, unrelated to homosexuality, of God punishing sin with sin, as he does with homosexuality in Romans 1:22-25,god punishing a very specific sin with sin was the point of 2 thess 2. which again had nothing to do with homosexuality.
And I am reporting what appears to be the NT view on that point in Romans 1:21-27, that it is presented as more grievous than other sexual immorality (except inappropriate behavior with animals).And again I am not saying homosexuality is not a sin. i clearly identify it as such. I simply point out YOU/we are in no place to judge this sin as being any greater than another sexual sin.
As if you were to continue to read the book of romans you would see all of romans 1 was to list out all the sin men who do not know god do. then first line in romans 2 and again later in chapter 3 says 'you are in no place to judge those men.. because of the sin you still do even knowing god is the same to god, and you are just as sinful. which was my initial point.. homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin. it is like any other sexual sin.
There seem to be more and more churches that are willing to see being gay as ok and also offer gay marriage. For example the Methodists in the UK recently voted to support gay marriage.
I know there are two sides in this debate and both have their own way of interpreting scripture and understanding the context of the various Bible passages.
I was talking to a Methodist lay preacher earlier, he is going to stop his preaching and probably join a different church.
My question is.... Are these disagreements going to radically change more and more churches with new churches splitting off into for and against groups. Is Christianity heading into a totally new future?
If you are gay you are practicing sin. You're deliberately living in sin. We all sin. But a Christian doesn't make it a habit. Gays welcome the sin.
Seriously? Have you read Romans 1:24-28?I’m heterosexual in orientation, but how being homosexual is a sin? I’m serious. Could you explain why it’s wrong and harmful to sinners themselves and to the society? In which ways do they bring something unwanted by their actions? I truly fail to see anything bad as consequence of this kind of lifestyle.
It is in our thoughts and actions that the sin of adultery basically compels us to be celibate or basically be faithfully married and sex for procreation. This is what the Lord seems to be saying in Matthew 5:27-32 while the severe warnings of amputation are symbolic but morally strict. Obviously most of us will stumble in wide varying ways in this although confession is always our way of coping ( 1 John 1:5-10).
Actually the sin of our own actions is charged to us, not imputed.Our orientation & inclination is in a fallen state of being and we are not guilty of sin for that ( Romans 5:12-14). Until we act sinfully ( & we will in wide varying ways, some not so bad & others bad) the sin is then imputed.
Actually, in context, Romans 5:13 is about no sin being accounted/charged to anyone because there was no law to sin against, as part of a larger demonstration of the imputation of the sin of Adam to all mankind (Romans 5:18).I believe this is what St. Paul means in Romans 5:13;