Singing in Tongues?

Dave Darling · Jun 21, 2021

Hey, has anyone here been able to sing in tongues? I have been able to pray in tongues for many years but one day I thought in my heart that I wanted to try to sing in tongues, God took over and I was able to do it! It is a powerful weapon, the presence of God fell when I did this! Now I can choose to either sing in tongues or speak in tongues, God knows which I want to do and takes over!

Mr. M · Jun 21, 2021

Dave Darling said:
Hey, has anyone here been able to sing in tongues? I have been able to pray in tongues for many years but one day I thought in my heart that I wanted to try to sing in tongues, God took over and I was able to do it! It is a powerful weapon, the presence of God fell when I did this! Now I can choose to either sing in tongues or speak in tongues, God knows which I want to do and takes over!

The Pastor of our church allows the praise and worship team to go into free,
improvisational worship, which is very conducive to praying and singing in the spirit.
Once you learn that there is comfort in singing this way, you will take it to the shower.
If someone is asking, but how?
The answer remains the same, by faith.
You may feel ridiculous, which is cool, this is a type
of passing "through the veil", which is our flesh.

Mayflower1 · Jun 24, 2021

I sometimes do.

Whatever language, just praise the Lord. He is worthy of all glory, praise, and honor.

biblelesson · Jul 26, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
The Pastor of our church allows the praise and worship team to go into free,
improvisational worship, which is very conducive to praying and singing in the spirit.
Once you learn that there is comfort in singing this way, you will take it to the shower.
If someone is asking, but how?
The answer remains the same, by faith.
You may feel ridiculous, which is cool, this is a type
of passing "through the veil", which is our flesh.

I pray in tongues and sing in tongues, and it is truly edifying: praying in the spirit.

But the Bible speaks against speaking in tongues in church, whether singing or speaking! Unless there is an interpreter! No one should permit this. 1 Corinthians 14.

God revealed something to me in a dream one day when I was involved with people doing this! He showed me dead stones! The people in the dream were stones, stacked one by one, with some of the stones broken up. I knew immediately the dream meant those people that were practicing speaking in tongues in a group - were dead stones!

Prior to those people I would pray with another Group of people, in tongues, and my long time dream of always being in clear water, changed to muddy water! It was horrible, but I knew the dream was revealing that something was wrong. I was being warned again through my dreams that the group I was praying in tongues with was not from the Holy Spirit. After I left that group, the water dream immediately changed back to clear crisp foaming white water!

I finally realized why I was having so many dreams about water for years. Now I know it’s God guiding me.

Mr. M · Jul 26, 2021

biblelesson said:
But the Bible speaks against speaking in tongues in church, whether singing or speaking! Unless there is an interpreter! No one should permit this. 1 Corinthians 14.

I know what you are saying. Keep in mind that Paul's directions, which we strictly follow in our
home meetings, are for that setting. We must agree that use of tongues without an interpreter is unfruitful, because that is what Paul clearly teaches. Singing or praying in tongues during a group worship time can and is very edifying.
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands;
however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.
4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.

If one person can speak or sing unto the Lord in an unknown language, so can a large gathering,
for their spiritual edification. This is a very limited and specific application and cannot be disruptive.
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
I understand that this may seem unusual or out of place for many, but occurs quite naturally
in free worship time. Moving forward, no one is going to speak in an unknown tongue in the
course of the service inappropriately.
The preacher may be of another language, and an interpreter may be provided for him to address
the congregation. We have seen that throughout the world, and it is amazing to see someone
preaching up a storm, and an interpreter trying to keep up!

biblelesson said:
I finally realized why I was having so many dreams about water for years. Now I know it’s God guiding me.

While it is really good that you look to the scriptures for guidance on the use of tongues, I pray
that you will also be very strict with yourself in the use of dreams, as many have been led astray.
It sounds like you are just trying to apply them to your personal understanding, which is not
for me to comment on. Just take extra care if and when sharing with others.
Jeremiah 23:
25 I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying,
I have dreamed, I have dreamed!
26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies?
Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart,
27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which
everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.
28 The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream;
And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully.
What is the chaff to the wheat? says the Lord.
29 Is not My word like a fire? says the Lord,
And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?
The Chaff From The Wheat
"But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men."
Looking back at 1 Corinthians 14, for instruction on both speaking in tongues and
speaking prophetically, keep in mind there are no instructions for sharing dreams.
If we are looking to the Lord for prophetic direction, it is found from the brethren in
the small group meeting. Hopefully, with people that you are most intimate.

30 Therefore behold, I am against the prophets, says the Lord, who steal My words every one
from his neighbor.
31 Behold, I am against the prophets, says the Lord, who use their tongues and say, He says.
32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams, says the Lord, and tell them,
and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness.
Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people
at all, says the Lord.

These words may sound hard, and I am not trying to direct them at you personally, but
just to remind or make aware of, as the Lord has been instructing on speaking pure words,
of unleavened words, and this seemed on topic. Thank you for sharing openly on these subjects
in this forum, and I welcome you kicking it back to me to discuss further, for sharpening one
another.

biblelesson · Jul 26, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
I know what you are saying. Keep in mind that Paul's directions, which we strictly follow in our
home meetings, are for that setting. We must agree that use of tongues without an interpreter is unfruitful, because that is what Paul clearly teaches. Singing or praying in tongues during a group worship time can and is very edifying.
2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands;
however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.
4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.

If one person can speak or sing unto the Lord in an unknown language, so can a large gathering,
for their spiritual edification. This is a very limited and specific application and cannot be disruptive.
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
I understand that this may seem unusual or out of place for many, but occurs quite naturally
in free worship time. Moving forward, no one is going to speak in an unknown tongue in the
course of the service inappropriately.
The preacher may be of another language, and an interpreter may be provided for him to address
the congregation. We have seen that throughout the world, and it is amazing to see someone
preaching up a storm, and an interpreter trying to keep up!

While it is really good that you look to the scriptures for guidance on the use of tongues, I pray
that you will also be very strict with yourself in the use of dreams, as many have been led astray.
It sounds like you are just trying to apply them to your personal understanding, which is not
for me to comment on. Just take extra care if and when sharing with others.
Jeremiah 23:
25 I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying,
I have dreamed, I have dreamed!
26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies?
Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart,
27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which
everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.
28 The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream;
And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully.
What is the chaff to the wheat? says the Lord.
29 Is not My word like a fire? says the Lord,
And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?
The Chaff From The Wheat
"But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men."
Looking back at 1 Corinthians 14, for instruction on both speaking in tongues and
speaking prophetically, keep in mind there are no instructions for sharing dreams.
If we are looking to the Lord for prophetic direction, it is found from the brethren in
the small group meeting. Hopefully, with people that you are most intimate.

30 Therefore behold, I am against the prophets, says the Lord, who steal My words every one
from his neighbor.
31 Behold, I am against the prophets, says the Lord, who use their tongues and say, He says.
32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams, says the Lord, and tell them,
and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness.
Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people
at all, says the Lord.

These words may sound hard, and I am not trying to direct them at you personally, but
just to remind or make aware of, as the Lord has been instructing on speaking pure words,
of unleavened words, and this seemed on topic. Thank you for sharing openly on these subjects
in this forum, and I welcome you kicking it back to me to discuss further, for sharpening one
another.

My dreams are for me, my prayers to God, and His warnings to me about the subject of speaking in tongues with a group of people. Nonetheless, I am not a prophet or teacher and am sharing what God has revealed to me! My dream warnings are directly in line with the bible, 1 Corinthians 14:28: if there is no interpreter, we are to speak to ourselves to God. (1 Corinthians 14:22-23, 1 Corinthians 14:28) Especially for new members who will witness those speaking in tongues and don't know what's going on. That's the essence of the subject Apostle Paul was speaking of. However, speaking in tongues to God in our prayers in private is very edifying, as also commanded in 1 Corinthians 14:28.

No church should allow members to speaking in tongue openly in church, and it doesn't matter what reason is given, or how nice it sounds. It's against the commandment of the gospel. Apostle Paul said be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ: 1 Corinthians 11:1. And Pauls says in 1 Corinthians 14:37, "if any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." So, there are no excuses, and no making it up as you go! That's leading people astray. And God has a warning about making up our own way of worship Isaiah 1:12, which our sacrifices now in Christ are the sacrifices of praise, Hebrews 13:15, and they should be pure, not praying in the flesh, but in the spirit. Our prayers should not be blended with other people's prayers if we don't know what they are saying - we are putting ourselves in agreement with them and Apostle Paul in the gospel warns against this also, 1 Corinthians 14:16, "Else when thous salt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving.of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayeth?"

So we pray always in the spirit Ephesians 6:18. That means whenever we pray, what ever supplication we make to God, do it in the spirit, and that's praying in tongues to God in silence. This is because of what the bible says, in John 4:24, that God is a Spirit and they that worship Him must worship him in spirit ind in truth. And Jesus said in John 4:23-24, that we must worship God in spirit and in truth.

So, although I mention my dreams, and I'm not a preacher or teacher, I spoke in line with scriptures. You have not!

Mr. M · Jul 26, 2021

biblelesson said:
My dreams are for me, my prayers to God, and His warnings to me about the subject of speaking in tongues with a group of people.

And yet the topic remains singing in the spirit, not speaking in tongues.

biblelesson said:
Especially for new members who will witness those speaking in tongues and don't know what's going on. That's the essence of the subject Apostle Paul was speaking of. However, speaking in tongues to God in our prayers in private is very edifying, as also commanded in 1 Corinthians 14:28.

I know what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 14. This is on topic from that chapter:
15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.
I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.

biblelesson said:
So, although I mention my dreams, and I'm not a preacher or teacher, I spoke in line with scriptures. You have not!

There is nothing wrong with my knowledge of scriptures. And there is no place for your vision of
rocks in adding any insight to what Paul has made clear in the appropriate use of speaking in tongues
in a meeting. If there is an interpreter, there is no problem, so why do you say this?

biblelesson said:
No church should allow members to speaking in tongue openly in church, and it doesn't matter what reason is given, or how nice it sounds. It's against the commandment of the gospel.

Could you quote that commandment specifically? All you have done is derailed a thread on singing
in the spirit to voice your opinions on speaking in tongues, which is off topic, and justify yourself
by sharing your dreams, which is also off topic. You then say that I did not speak in line with scriptures?
When did you think that you spoke in line with scriptures, when you quoted a chapter of a letter.
Citing 1 Corinthians 14 does not support your position. You have no authority to claim that a
Pentecostal church cannot allow singing in the Spirit during a time of singing. If the lyrics are
presented so everyone can sing along, then there is praise and worship with the understanding.
If the musicians are playing in an improvisational mode, and many in the congregation are taking
the opportunity to edify themselves by singing in the Spirit, there is nothing being done out of order.
Honestly, you don't know what you are talking about, but if you wish,
keep talking and keep dreaming.

Mr. M · Jul 26, 2021

biblelesson said:
My dreams are for me, my prayers to God, and His warnings to me about the subject of speaking in tongues with a group of people. Nonetheless, I am not a prophet or teacher and am sharing what God has revealed to me! My dream warnings are directly in line with the bible,

Why share them on a thread about singing in the spirit? Again I ask, if Paul has made clear the
appropriate use of speaking in tongues in meetings, what is the purpose of your dream/vision?
What you claim to know by dream vision is already clear in reading the very
chapter you cite. Again, I know what Paul taught there.

biblelesson · Jul 26, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
Why share them on a thread about singing in the spirit? Again I ask, if Paul has made clear the
appropriate use of speaking in tongues in meetings, what is the purpose of your dream/vision?
What you claim to know by dream vision is already clear in reading the very
chapter you cite. Again, I know what Paul taught there.

Because the group I met with weekly, we prayed and would sing in in the spirit - in tongues together. My dreams were a warning about this practice, that the practice was not according to the gospel! That's why I shared it on a thread about singing in the spirit!

biblelesson · Jul 26, 2021

biblelesson said:
Because the group I met with weekly, we prayed and would sing in in the spirit - in tongues together. My dreams were a warning about this practice, that the practice was not according to the gospel! That's why I shared it on a thread about singing in the spirit!

I'm replying to my comments because I want to say that one of the issues of praying in tongues with a group of people is I really don't know who is sincere in heart. My participation with people doing this, and some I did not know, could have been putting me in a situation where I was in agreement with someone whose heart was not right. I'm saying this because there are some people who pretend to speak in tongue, or it felt as though they were pretending, I can't say for sure, but I felt uncomfortable. So because of this, it became an unfruitful process, mixed with some edification and some worry. However, my warnings just confirmed what I was feeling all the time, that it was wrong.

biblelesson · Jul 26, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
And yet the topic remains singing in the spirit, not speaking in tongues.

I know what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 14. This is on topic from that chapter:
15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.
I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.

There is nothing wrong with my knowledge of scriptures. And there is no place for your vision of
rocks in adding any insight to what Paul has made clear in the appropriate use of speaking in tongues
in a meeting. If there is an interpreter, there is no problem, so why do you say this?

Could you quote that commandment specifically? All you have done is derailed a thread on singing
in the spirit to voice your opinions on speaking in tongues, which is off topic, and justify yourself
by sharing your dreams, which is also off topic. You then say that I did not speak in line with scriptures?
When did you think that you spoke in line with scriptures, when you quoted a chapter of a letter.
Citing 1 Corinthians 14 does not support your position. You have no authority to claim that a
Pentecostal church cannot allow singing in the Spirit during a time of singing. If the lyrics are
presented so everyone can sing along, then there is praise and worship with the understanding.
If the musicians are playing in an improvisational mode, and many in the congregation are taking
the opportunity to edify themselves by singing in the Spirit, there is nothing being done out of order.
Honestly, you don't know what you are talking about, but if you wish,
keep talking and keep dreaming.

I'm just seeing your comment! Minister Monardo you take a lot of offense to correction. I notice you do this on a lot of threads from other people as well. You get angry at correction and you try to justify yourself by using scriptures verses. We are not suppose to do that, and we are not to use scripture to try and justify ourselves when we are mistaken. It's your pride that's preventing you from seeing this. And I hope you can see you are doing this, and maybe find some humility about the issues. Other people, not just me, have mentioned this to you as well. Maybe because it's true! Although none of us are perfect!

Now you have just tried to justify that it is Ok what your church is doing by creating a process for people to speak in tongues openly, when each of us have been taught to read, and we have brains to think with. The gospel clearly says that this practice of open speaking in tongues in church is wrong, and that includes singing in tongues. If a person speaks in tongues or sing in tongues in church, the bible clearly says they are to do it in silence, to themselves and God. There can be no making up a process to speak in tongue openly in church, and then say it is Ok. That's teaching falsehood, and being disobedient to the gospel, and misleading people.

Singing in tongues is the same as speaking in tongues!

Mr. M · Jul 26, 2021

biblelesson said:
I'm just seeing your comment! Minister Monardo you take a lot of offense to correction. I notice you do this on a lot of threads from other people as well. You get angry at correction and you try to justify yourself by using scriptures verses

I am not the least bit angry. I will continue to use scripture verses to support my position.
You haven't made any corrections based on scripture, just visions of rocks.
Are you sure we are supposed to do that?

biblelesson said:
We are not suppose to do that, and we are not to use scripture to try and justify ourselves when we are mistaken. It's your pride that's preventing you from seeing this. And I hope you can see you are doing this, and maybe find some humility about the issues. Other people, not just me, have mentioned this to you as well. Maybe because it's true! Although none of us are perfect!

What specifically have you corrected? You said:

biblelesson said:
The gospel clearly says that this practice of open speaking in tongues in church is wrong, and that includes singing in tongues. If a person speaks in tongues or sing in tongues in church, the bible clearly says they are to do it in silence, to themselves and God.

biblelesson said:
But the Bible speaks against speaking in tongues in church, whether singing or speaking! Unless there is an interpreter!

So which is it? Does the scripture forbid speaking in tongues, or require an interpreter?
I made clear that what is done in group meetings in not the same as in a church congregation.
What you are saying is false, and not supported by the scripture. Praying in tongues and singing in
tongues in not the same. All things must be done for edification of all. If all are singing in the spirit to music during a brief interlude, then all can be edified.
Could you quote a scripture to support only doing these things in silence?
Why is it you cannot discuss the scriptures without feeling like you are under attack, and begin leveling
accusations of pride, and refusal to accept correction? Have you accepted any? I will ask you one more
time, if Paul teaches on the appropriate use of tongues in meetings, then what need is there for your
dreams and visions? Is it against your own pride that you don't want to justify your dream visions by
supporting the practice with scripture? If your group was doing something wrong, you can express your
concern by using the scriptures, not a vision, and a claim that God is talking to me in my dreams. Did
it bother you that I quoted Jeremiah 23 that warns against such practices? How long do you intend to
avoid the fact that talking about your dreams is a way of justifying yourself. Showing a sound knowledge of scripture is how you justify what you believe in truth. If that comes across as prideful,
I can live with that, but otherwise, you have an inflated view of yourself if you think I am angry.
No, sister, I would find this amusing if it wasn't so sad.

biblelesson · Jul 26, 2021

Minister Monardo said:
I am not the least bit angry. I will continue to use scripture verses to support my position.
You haven't made any corrections based on scripture, just visions of rocks.
Are you sure we are supposed to do that?

What specifically have you corrected? You said:

So which is it? Does the scripture forbid speaking in tongues, or require an interpreter?
I made clear that what is done in group meetings in not the same as in a church congregation.
What you are saying is false, and not supported by the scripture. Praying in tongues and singing in
tongues in not the same. All things must be done for edification of all. If all are singing in the spirit to music during a brief interlude, then all can be edified.
Could you quote a scripture to support only doing these things in silence?
Why is it you cannot discuss the scriptures without feeling like you are under attack, and begin leveling
accusations of pride, and refusal to accept correction? Have you accepted any? I will ask you one more
time, if Paul teaches on the appropriate use of tongues in meetings, then what need is there for your
dreams and visions? Is it against your own pride that you don't want to justify your dream visions by
supporting the practice with scripture? If your group was doing something wrong, you can express your
concern by using the scriptures, not a vision, and a claim that God is talking to me in my dreams. Did
it bother you that I quoted Jeremiah 23 that warns against such practices? How long do you intend to
avoid the fact that talking about your dreams is a way of justifying yourself. Showing a sound knowledge of scripture is how you justify what you believe in truth. If that comes across as prideful,
I can live with that, but otherwise, you have an inflated view of yourself if you think I am angry.
No, sister, I would find this amusing if it wasn't so sad.

It is just no use! Here are the scriptures about praying in the spirit and singing in the spirit, which is the same as praying in tongues and sining in tongues. 1 Corinthians 14:15. However Apostle Paul says he will pray with understanding and sing with understanding in the spirit, and that's if he is in a room of people and there is no interpreter, meaning the unlearned would need the interpreter. 1 Corinthians 14:16, "Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thous sayet? And 1 Corinthians 14:17, "But thou giveth thanks well, but the other is not edified."

Then it is clear that when there is no interpreter, we don't do it in church or a group of people praising God. And a whole group of people doing this is not scriptural, and it makes no sense because that's not the purpose according to 1 Corinthians 14. What Paul was doing was admonishing the Corinthians for doing this practice, and teaching them the correct way. But churches are not taking heed to this. There are a lot of Pentecostal churches doing this. These people make the perfect gift of speaking in tongue become something that leans towards witchcraft.

Your other comments I won't entertain because my dreams related to what "I" was doing wrong in a group of people speaking in tongues to say what God had revealed to me about what "I" was doing. I used my dreams as an example to the subject matter, singing in tongues. The same thing as speaking in tongues, just singing.

You have tried to make my dreams to be more about falsehood instead of seeing that I showing that they related to the subject of speaking in tongue and had received a warning.

Therefore, it's just no use! Other unskilled people may not be able to see how you are manipulating scripture wrongly to make a point to continue in disobedience, and deny the commands of the gospel. But I see it, and am calling you out on it. You say you are a minister, but I see your manipulating scripture, and I'm calling you out on it for the sake of those who might be persuaded by you!

You like to argue, say what you want! Over and out!

LoricaLady · Aug 25, 2021

Dave Darling said:
Hey, has anyone here been able to sing in tongues? I have been able to pray in tongues for many years but one day I thought in my heart that I wanted to try to sing in tongues, God took over and I was able to do it! It is a powerful weapon, the presence of God fell when I did this! Now I can choose to either sing in tongues or speak in tongues, God knows which I want to do and takes over!

The evening that I got the gift of tongues, I just naturally started to also sing in tongues. This I do every day now.

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