Lost Ten Tribes Are Still God's Israel

Davy said:

No, you are ADDING to that Scripture, because Peter is only giving a type 'summary' with the Acts 3:21 verse: Acts 3:20-21
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.KJV
Peter was pointing to Christ's return, His 2nd coming, but not immediately to the new heavens and a new earth,

Click to expand...

The restoration/restitution of all things necessarily excludes nothing, and is the restoration of all creation in the resurrection and in the new heavens and new earth.

You're just not thinking.

Click to expand...

I'm thinking what I'm reading--"all things."

You're just not reading.

Would see what Jesus has to say about it first friend, if the kingdom of heaven is with in you, would not the kingdom of heaven be in believers now today on this earth? That would the question I would ask friend.

GallagherM said:

Would see what Jesus has to say about it first friend, if the kingdom of heaven is with in you, would not the kingdom of heaven be in believers now today on this earth? That would the question I would ask friend.

Click to expand...

Precisely!

The Kingdom has already come down from heaven in Jesus Christ, its ruler (Luke 11:20).

The eternal Kingdom of God is here and now, not of this world (John 18:36), but spiritual--invisible and within (Luke 17:20-21) the hearts of those where he reigns and rules now.

There is no other Kingdom of God in addition to, or along side, this one eternal Kingdom of God (Daniel 2:44-45) come down from heaven.

Davy said:

Some brethren just don't study their Old Testament history as they should. Because of that, they don't know the promises and covenants to Israel that Apostle Paul was talking about in Ephesians 2 which he said believing Gentiles had come nigh to through the Blood of Christ.

Eph 2:11-13
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
KJV

Study in the Old Testament prophets reveals the believing Gentiles are joined in with the believing seed of Israel. So who are these liars in the Church that want to say that God's promises and covenants are no longer to His chosen 'seed' of Israel?? It's obvious those liars want to start their 'own' church against Christ and His Authority.

In final per the Old Testament prophets, God's Word shows the chosen seed of Israel being re-established back in the holy land according to God's promises to their fathers! And even that king David will be over them (Ezekiel 37). Strange how these usurpers crept into Christ's Church try to steal what God has promised His chosen while falsely claiming it's New Testament doctrine.


God Proclaiming Restoration of the Seed of Israel Back to the Holy Land (this is just one Old Testament example)...

Jer 30:23-24
23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.
24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until He have done it, and until He have performed the intents of His heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.
KJV

The Hebrew manuscripts don't really divide the subject in chapters, as can be seen here. The above Jeremiah 30 subject is about God's future restoration of Jacob's tents. But the above two verses point to the day of God's consuming fire upon the wicked on the "day of the Lord". That is the day our Lord Jesus returns to gather His elect Church, which this is about that regarding God's chosen seed of Israel. This subject continues into the 31st chapter...

Jer 31:1-21
31 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be My people.

That is about all the tribes of Israel, not just the "house of Judah". Per OT history, God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms in the days of Rehoboam, Solomon's son. The "house of Judah" represented only 3 tribes, while the northern "house of Israel" represented ten tribes. But this "all the families of Israel" here represents all 12 tribes back together as one. And the timing for this to happen is on the "day of the Lord" with Christ's return.


2 Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

The subject here now is those of the seed of Israel that were scattered in the countries among the Gentiles. Per the Book of Hosea, God said He would cause the ten tribes of the "house of Israel" to be driven into the wilderness, to new lands, where they would keep doing their Baal worship for a time, but then God would cause them to dwell safely and then take the names of Baalim out of their mouths, and they would call Him "Ishi" (Hosea 2:16). Among the Gentiles God would cause the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) to rest, until this future event of His gathering them back to the lands He promised their fathers, which will happen at Christ's return. That is where Apostle Paul called the believing Gentiles 'Lo ami" also with them as the sons of the living God (see Romans 9 and Hosea 1).


3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, "Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.
5 Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things.

If you don't know your OT history, you might miss some of what our Heavenly Father is pointing to about the children of Israel. He is especially pointing to the ten lost tribes of Israel here, for the city of Samaria is where their capital city and throne was setup in the northern lands of Israel. That was specific to the ten tribes God gave to Jeroboam in making him king over 'Israel' (1 Kings 11). The ten tribes were scattered first, never to return to the holy land as a people. It was a remnant of the house of Judah, the southern kingdom, that returned to Jerusalem after the Babylon captivity, not the ten lost tribes. If you don't know the Biblical/historical difference between the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel", then you probably won't understand that.

God's point there is that He is going to gather the lost ten tribes, which that would mean their offspring that believes on Jesus Christ, and believing Gentiles with them.


6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, 'Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God.
7 For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save Thy people, the remnant of Israel.'

The mount Ephraim was a place in the northern lands of Israel. Jeroboam, whom God made king over ten tribes in the north, was of the tribe of Ephraim. However, long before God had made the tribe of Judah the king tribe. So God pointing particularly to Ephraim here in connection with Israel, meaning lost ten tribe Israel, it is specific again to the "house of Israel" in the north. But when Jacob is mentioned, that means all 12 tribes involved.

8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.
9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.

That is about God in final gathering the scattered seed of His chosen Israel, back to the lands in the middle east that He promised their fathers (when Jesus comes). Those "rivers of waters" represent His River which will be re-established in future Jerusalem per Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 22.

When God said He is a father to Israel, and Ephraim is His firstborn, that's a special relationship He chose for them. The prophecy to Joseph's son Ephraim was that His 'seed' would become "a multitude of nations". And Jacob said to let his name (Israel) be named upon Ephraim and Manasseh, the two sons of Joseph (Genesis 48). That "multitude of nations" prophecy came to pass with the establishing of the western Christian nations. That is where the ten tribes under Ephraim as the head, wound up after God scattered them. And in those areas is where The Gospel went to and was believed on large scales after the passion of Christ. From there The Gospel then went out to all other nations. Thus God's Birthright, which includes the covenants and promises He gave to Abraham, fell upon Ephraim in final, and is where God's Birthright still is today.


10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, 'He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
11 For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.

Again, when Jacob is mentioned, it means all 12 tribes of Israel. That redemption will happen to the chosen seed of Israel, literally. It begins on the day of Christ's future return.


12 Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the LORD, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.
13 Then shall the virgin rejoice in the dance, both young men and old together: for I will turn their mourning into joy, and will comfort them, and make them rejoice from their sorrow.
14 And I will satiate the soul of the priests with fatness, and My people shall be satisfied with My goodness, saith the LORD.
15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.
16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border.

Ramah was a high place near Bethlehem. And "Rahel" is put for Rachel, the mother of Joseph (ten tribes) and Benjamin (Jews). God keeps repeating this how He is going to gather His chosen of Israel in final back to their own border in the holy land.


18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; 'Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn Thou me, and I shall be turned; for Thou art the LORD my God.'
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
20 Is Ephraim My dear son? is he a pleasant child? for since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore My bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the LORD.
21 Set thee up waymarks, make thee high heaps: set thine heart toward the highway, even the way which thou wentest: turn again, O virgin of Israel, turn again to these thy cities.
KJV

Ephraim says to God, that He chastised him. Ephraim then asks God to turn him back to Him, and he would be turned. And after he is turned back to God, he repents. And after he is instructed, Ephraim hit his thigh (in shame), because he will bear his reproach. Then in verse 20, God shows how He still remembers Ephraim as His son and a pleasant child. God said He will have mercy on Ephraim. This is interesting to note, because in those sealed with God's seal for the end per Revelation 7, the tribe of Ephraim is left out.

Click to expand...

They must not have been "lost" to James in the scripture below.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.



Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?

(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)



The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?


1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?


2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?


3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?


4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?


5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?


6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?


7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?


8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)


9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)



10. Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.



Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:



“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.


Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.


John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…


"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)

What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?

Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?

Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?

Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

.

BABerean2 said:

They must not have been "lost" to James in the scripture below.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.



Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?

(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)



The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?


1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?


2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?


3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?


4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?


5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?


6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?


7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?


8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)


9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)



10. Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.



Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:



“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.


Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.


John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…


"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)

What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?

Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?

Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?

Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

.

Click to expand...

WOW! Great--really definitively great job!

Davy said:

Not only are you not thinking, you haven't studied the Old Testament prophets much about Christ's future reign over the wicked.

That reign over the wicked comes before the new heavens, and a new earth time does.

Click to expand...

That would be based on your private and uncertain interpretation of prophectic riddles (Numbers 12:8), subject to more than one interpretation and which private and uncertain interpretation is in disagreement with authoritative NT teaching.

Davy said:

No, it is based on the Scriptures that I posted AS PROOF in my post #28, which is Scripture you obviously reject.

Click to expand...

Your private and uncertain interpretation of prophectic riddles (Numbers 12:8) which are subject to more than one interpretation and which private and uncertain interpretation is in disagreement with authoritative NT teaching in Hebrews 8:6-13, 1 Corinthians 10:11; 1 Peter 1:20; Hebrews 1:2, Hebrews 9:26.

Davy said:

Jer 31:31-37
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which My covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD': for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Click to expand...

Have you noticed the New Covenant has "now" been fulfilled in the passage below?

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

.

You have a right to your own opinion friend. Be careful though not to over do yourself with trying to be right for it can hurt you personally and your spiritual walk. Though you are someone who believes in the physical return and Christ reigning on this earth. That to me is just something you believe. However I’m of the acceptance that Christ has already returned ands it’s spoken of how quickly he was to return in the revelation written to the seven churches back when John sent the letter. Though most May find this notion crazy, and even wrong for the most part; am okay with accepting personally in my own walk of faith that the spirit of Christ is with me now and at my death bed; I will go and be return to be judged and my hope is to resurrected into a spiritual body and go on to be with God.

Many will disagree and that is okay. Much love to you and God bless.

Davy said:

I have NEVER denied my Lord Jesus establishing The New Covenant in His Blood shed upon His cross. And I'm a Gentile believer on that New Covenant.

SO WHY HAVE YOU SLANDERED BY THROWING ALL THAT AT ME PERSONALLY!!? WHAT YOU SAY THERE HAS NOTHING... TO DO WITH THE SCRIPTURE EVIDENCE I HAVE POSTED ABOUT GOD'S FUTURE RESTORATION OF THE SEED OF ISRAEL. YOU ARE KICKING AGAINST THE CACTUS PRICKS BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH OF GOD'S WRITTEN WORD TO REALIZE THE FULLNESS OF HIS PLAN.

Click to expand...

Does what you are saying agree with the Apostle Paul below?


Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:


Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


.----------------------------------

Whether you know it or not much of what you are claiming comes from modern Dispensational Theology.


Claim: God will go back and deal with Israel after the “times of the Gentiles” is completed.



The “times of the Gentiles” is referred to in Luke 21:24, and Romans 11:25, and eluded to indirectly in Acts 28:28. When does the time of the Gentiles come to fullness based on the words of Christ below? Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of Luke 21:24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem during 70 AD. The times of the Gentiles are fulfilled after that event.


Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


Based on the words of Christ found above, the “times of the Gentiles” comes to fullness at the future Second Coming of Christ. This fact kills the Dispensational claim found above. Some claim the times of the Gentiles ended during 1948 when the modern State of Israel came into being. What does Paul say below about the times of the Gentiles?


Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


Did the spiritual blindness of all the Israelites end during 1948?

No.


Claim: Romans 11 proves National Israel will be saved in the future.



I have heard both John MacArthur, and John Hagee make the following statement…


“And then all Israel will be saved.” (Also found on page 349 of the book “Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty” by the Jesuit, Manuel Lacunza “Ben Ezra”.)



Both MacArthur, and Hagee, are selectively quoting from the verse below in an attempt to make Dispensational Theology work. Have they changed the meaning of the verse?


Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


These men have changed the word “so”, which is an adverb of manner, into the word “then”, which is an adverb of timing.

What is the “manner” of salvation in the passage? It is in the preceding verses found below.


Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?


In Romans chapter 11 the Apostle Paul uses the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church, made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles, grafted together into the same tree. In the two verses above the unbelievers can be grafted back into the tree through faith in Christ. Paul provides no path to salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in the passage.


Is the “covenant” in verse 27 a future covenant with the modern State of Israel, or is it the New Covenant fulfilled for all races of people by the blood of Christ at Calvary? In order to answer this question we need to know who is “Israel”, as defined by Paul, earlier in the same letter to the Romans. What did Paul say below about “Israel” in Romans chapter 9?


Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: (All Israelites are not a part of faithful Israel.)

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

(Being a physical Israelite does not make a person a part of Israel of the promise.)





Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

(Only a “remnant” of Israelites shall be saved.)



Based on the verses above from Romans 9 Paul was describing the “manner” of how Israelites would be saved in Romans 11:26, instead of the timing of their salvation.


The verse below is also often used by Dispensationalists in an attempt to make their doctrine work. Dispensationalists often insist an Israelite can be an enemy of God, and the elect at the same time.


Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.



Throughout Romans chapter 11 the Apostle Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites, one faithful, and one not faithful. Paul begins the chapter this way is Romans 11:1-5, by describing the Israelites who were Baal worshippers, in contrast to the faithful “remnant”, during the time of Elijah. Paul said there was also a faithful “remnant” during his time. Therefore, based on Romans 11:1-5, there are two different groups of Israelites in Romans 11:28. The Israelites who rejected Christ were the “they” who are the enemies of God, while the group of “they” who accepted Christ are the “election”. Paul ends the passage in the same way that he began the passage, with two different groups of Israelites.



Claim: God has blinded Israel during the “Church Age”.



This claim also comes from Romans 11.


Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


Have all of the Israelites been “partially” blinded, as Dispensationalists infer, or has part of Israel been blinded, and part of Israel has not been blinded? The answer is found in the “remnant” of Romans 11:5.



The only way to make Romans 11 match the Dispesationalists doctrine is by changing words in the passage, and by ignoring the earlier context of the passage, and by ignoring who is “Israel” in Romans 9.

.