Purpose of the sabbath

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You have a bit of catching up to do. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear. According to the scriptures the Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day *John 12:47-48.

What did Jesus say? He is the judge found in John 5:27-30.


Do you follow the Commandments of Christ, or do you have no standard?



Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. (How many sets of commandments?)


Are we without any law (antinomian) after we come into the New Covenant? After you are saved, is it OK to live like hell? Should there be a change in your life, or will your behavior still be rotten? If someone says they are under “Grace”, is that a license to do as they please?


1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (Holy Spirit=Master Teacher)


What is the standard of conduct revealed below by Christ?


Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 And the second is like it: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

(What does this standard look like in real life? How do you want to be treated by others?)


Are the commandments of Christ a higher standard of conduct?


Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'

Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Is it OK to go online and view inappropriate contentography?) Matt. 7:21-23 ?


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What did Jesus say? He is the judge found in John 5:27-30. Do you follow the Commandments of Christ, or do you have no standard?

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. (How many sets of commandments?)


Are we without any law (antinomian) after we come into the New Covenant? After you are saved, is it OK to live like hell? Should there be a change in your life, or will your behavior still be rotten? If someone says they are under “Grace”, is that a license to do as they please?


1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (Holy Spirit=Master Teacher)


What is the standard of conduct revealed below by Christ?


Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 And the second is like it: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

(What does this standard look like in real life? How do you want to be treated by others?)


Are the commandments of Christ a higher standard of conduct?


Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'

Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Is it OK to go online and view inappropriate contentography?) Matt. 7:21-23 ?

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It is your understanding of what the old covenant is and what the new covenant is that the old covenant points to that is in error here (see the scriptures showing why in post # 1028 linked). According to the scriptures, love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed and summed up *Romans 13:8-10 in obedience to Gods' law. This is why Jesus says "on these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40 (Jesus is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 by the way). Paul says the same thing here quoting God's commandments verbatim showing that the 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man are simply summed up as loving our neighbor as our self in Romans 13:8-10 agreeing with James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 that love to God and man is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law which is what you are promoting in breaking God's 4th commandment that is our duty of love to God. Love therefore is the new covenant promise of salvation through faith as outlined in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Love therefore according to the scriptures fulfills Gods' law and is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. Of course this includes our duty of love to God which includes remembering Gods' "seventh day" Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that show how we express our love to God. Therefore no one loves God or their fellow man according to the scriptures by knowingly breaking Gods' law. That is a teaching of lawlessness (without law) and is a teaching that is not biblical

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If you look at what YHWH says regarding his Moedim; and you look at what Yahshua said about the Torah not passing away; you will see that your interpretation of the scripture in regards to which I posted the Greek; doesn't line up with what YHWH and Yahshua said.

If you believe that the authors of the scripture, that you have been presenting regarding this subject, are contradicting the Father and the Son; that is a big mistake.
How do you understand these two verses?

Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

John 19:28
After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, “I am thirsty.”
 
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It is your understanding of what the old covenant is and what the new covenant is that the old covenant points to that is in error here (see the scriptures showing why in post # 1028 linked).

Love is not separate from Gods' law according to the scriptures it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law. This is why Jesus says "on these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. Paul says the same thing here quoting God's commandments verbatim showing that the 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man are simply summed up as loving our neighbor as our self in Romans 13:8-10 agreeing with James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 that love to God and man is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. This is the new covenant promise of salvation through faith as outlined in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

Love therefore according to the scriptures fulfills Gods' law and is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. Of course this includes our duty of love to God which includes remembering Gods' "seventh day" Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that show how we express our love to God.

Therefore no one loves God or their fellow man according to the scriptures by knowingly breaking Gods' law. That is a teaching of lawlessness (without law) and is a teaching that is not biblical

Take Care.
How do you understand these two verses?

Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

John 19:28
After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, “I am thirsty.”
 
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LGW, You are wrong, wrong and more wrong. The Sabbath was given only to Israel and was one of the laws of the covenant given at Sinai and ended at the Cross. You can beat around the bush with your "shadow laws" all you want, but we real new covenant believers know the real truth. All of the laws of the Sinai covenant have been fulfilled by Jesus. The laws of the new covenant are found in 1Jn3:19-24 which you refuse to entertain. I can't help wondering why you refuse to address those verses.
 
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The Passover lamb was the shadow of the true lamb, Jesus Christ, the perfect sacrifice. Why would I practice a shadow law when the fulfillment of that law has taken place. You remind me of the Jewish audience in the letter to the Hebrews, trying to return to the law.

Do you still sacrifice according to the law?

If you don't understand why you should obey YHWH, when he says to honor Pesach eternally; perhaps you can find some insight here:

YHWH's Table (Part 8A)
 
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How do you understand these two verses?

Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

John 19:28
After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, “I am thirsty.”

Do you understand the difference between a day's work, and a life's work?

All has not been accomplished.

See: Revelation
 
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and John in 1 John 5:2-3 that love to God and man is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law.


The following passage from 1 John reveals "His commandments" according to the Apostle John.

For some strange reason you continue to quote from the book of 1 John and attempt to imply the word "commandments" in that book refers to the Sinai Covenant, which is now "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13. It is the same Sinai Covenant of "bondage" which Paul told the Galatian believers to "cast out" in Galatians 4:24-31.

Your attempts to "bait-and-switch" the Sinai Covenant in the place of the commandments below is necessary to make the SDA doctrine work.


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


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How do you understand these two verses?
Matthew 5:18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. John 19:28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, “I am thirsty.”

Firstly we cannot separate scripture from it's contexts. So we must read what the scriptures are saying in regards to the contexts and their subject matter (topical study) of course prayerfully seeking God's guidance for His Spirit to be our guide and teacher.

Let's start with Matthew 5:18 by adding in all the surrounding scripture context and see what the scriptures are referring to...

Matthew 5:17-20
[17], THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFIL.

Note: Right off we see Jesus making it very clear here that before he says anything that he is not talking about abolishing or destroying the law and the prophets, so what Jesus says is not about getting rid of the law it is about Him fulfilling all aspects of the law. That is all the Mosaic shadow laws for remission of sins that point to him under the Mosiac laws of the Levitical Priesthood but as well as this His perfect obedience to God's standard of righteousness (10 commandments Psalms 119:172) as Gods' sacrificial lamb for the sins of the world (see John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9;1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22; see also; Hebrews 4:15; Hebrews 9:28; 1 Peter 2:22).

[18], For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.

Note: Jesus reinforces what he said earlier in Matthew 5:17 not until heaven and earth shall pass one jot or title shall in no wise pass from the law until all be fulfilled. The new covenant for example does not abolish the old covenant laws for remission of sin. They are fulfilled in Christ to who they point to (see John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9;1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22) and are continued in Him based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.

[19], WHOSOEVER THEREFORE SHALL BREAK ONE OF THESE LEAST COMMANDMENTS, AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, HE SHALL BE CALLED THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: BUT WHOSOEVER SHALL DO AND TEACH THEM, THE SAME SHALL BE CALLED GREAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

Note: Jesus reinforces what he said earlier in Matthew 5:17 he is not talking about destroying or abolishing Gods' law he is talking about fulfilling them or obeying them and those who break the least of God's laws will be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven while those who keep and teach them will be called great in Gods' Kingdom. The least in God's kingdom by the way are those who do not go there.

[20], For I say unto you, That EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, YE SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

Note: Matthew 5:20 is interesting because on the outside the Scribes and Pharisees as JESUS taught appeared righteous to men. Outwardly blameless in regards to following God's 10 commandments but inwardly Jesus says they were full of SIN (breaking God's LAW) *Matthew 23:27-28. JESUS says; For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *Matthew 5:20. The scripture in Isaiah 42:21 was posted to show that Jesus came to teach the true meaning of God's Law and that is it is to be applied to the inside out not for appearance to appear righteous to men but being inwardly full of sin and dead mans bones. God reads the heart and knows we are all sick with sin *Matthew 15:19-20; Matthew 12:34-35; Jeremiah 13:23; Jeremiah 17:9-10; Matthew 15:19-20; John 5:42 and in need of a Saviour from SIN. Many do not know the meaning here Matthew 9:12-13.

This is leading to the new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12; John 5:42; 1 John 5:17-19; 1 John 4:16; 1 John 5:3; 1 John 4:8. We do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. We need to be born of god to love *1 John 4:7 and partake of the new covenant promise. This is why Jesus teaches in *John 3:3-7 that unless we are made clean from the inside out and born again to love we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. This is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's law from the inside out. Whosoever is born of god to love in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12 does not knowingly practice sin *1 John 3:9; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:31; Matthew 22:36-40. This is the good news of the gospels in the new covenant we have a saviour to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4.

1 John 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are born again to love and it is love that fulfills God's law in all those who believe and follow God's word in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10. this results in a people that keep God's law (10 commandments) from the inside out. *Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Hebrews 8:10-12. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *John 3:3-7.

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John 19:28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, “I am thirsty.

Well most of this is already answered above but Jesus is continuing to fulfill the scriptures from the law and the prophets where it is written...

Psalms 22:1-15
[1], My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? why are you so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
[2], O my God, I cry in the day time, but you hear not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
[3], But you are holy, O you that inhabit the praises of Israel.
[4], Our fathers trusted in you: they trusted, and you did deliver them.
[5], They cried to you, and were delivered: they trusted in you, and were not confounded.
[6], But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
[7], All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
[8], He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
[9], But you are he that took me out of the womb: you did make me hope when I was on my mother's breasts.
[10], I was cast on you from the womb: you are my God from my mother's belly.
[11], Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
[12], Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
[13], They gaped on me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
[14], I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the middle of my bowels.
[15], My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue sticks to my jaws; and you have brought me into the dust of death.

Take Care.
 
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The Sabbath was given only to Israel and was one of the laws of the covenant given at Sinai and ended at the Cross.
Brother, God requires you to obey His Sabbath in Hebrews 4, so that no one will "perish" by following Israel's example of disobedience. The key to unlocking the message of Hebrews 4 is to separate what it says about each “rest” in comparison. The "rest" that God did not allow them to enter is a saving relationship with God through faith that obeys. This "rest" is compared to the weekly "rest" on Sabbath. Since many biblical characters have saved “rest” before the time of David and after the time of Joshua, the “rest” that was not present in Israel is the "rest" of God’s Sabbath. The comparison tells us that God wants us to keep His weekly Sabbath "rest". It tells us that Israel has not obeyed God's true Sabbath "rest" even until the time of David. This means that Judaism has a Sabbath tradition that is not God's true weekly Sabbath "rest". We can show God that we have a faith that obeys by finding God's true biblical Sabbath "rest".

God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works," just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:7-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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LGW, You are wrong, wrong and more wrong. The Sabbath was given only to Israel and was one of the laws of the covenant given at Sinai and ended at the Cross. You can beat around the bush with your "shadow laws" all you want, but we real new covenant believers know the real truth. All of the laws of the Sinai covenant have been fulfilled by Jesus. The laws of the new covenant are found in 1Jn3:19-24 which you refuse to entertain. I can't help wondering why you refuse to address those verses.

Sorry Bob but I respectfully disagree. According to the scriptures, God's ISRAEL in the new covenant are no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who are born of the Spirit through God's new covenant promise (see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 from Ezekiel 36:24-27). So God's ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL according to the scriptures you have no part in God's new covenant promise which is to ISRAEL (Gentiles are grafted in Romans 11:13-27). Gods' Word is not wrong and dear friend. All your doing in this post is denying the scriptures shared with you with your words that are not God's Word showing why your teachings of lawlessness (without law) is not biblical. So we will have to agree to disagree as nothing you have posted here I can see is truthful. For example, why do you make the claim I have not addressed your interpretation of 1 John 3:19-24 when I provided the contexts you left our which was in regards to sin being the transgression of the law and also that love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not by breaking God's law as shown in the very Words of Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40, Paul in Romans 13:8-10, James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 2:1-4; 1 John 3:10 and 1 John 5:2-3. Your a little behind Bob perhaps you should read the posts where I have already addressed your claims in regards to 1 John 3:19-24 in the scriptures provided in post # 1047 linked and post # 1048 linked.
 
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The following passage from 1 John reveals "His commandments" according to the Apostle John.

For some strange reason you continue to quote from the book of 1 John and attempt to imply the word "commandments" in that book refers to the Sinai Covenant, which is now "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13. It is the same Sinai Covenant of "bondage" which Paul told the Galatian believers to "cast out" in Galatians 4:24-31.

Your attempts to "bait-and-switch" the Sinai Covenant in the place of the commandments below is necessary to make the SDA doctrine work.


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us..

Already addressed some time ago in post # 999 and elsewhere linked. Your post and accusations have no truth in them (see also the scriptures provided in post # 1065 linked that you simply ignored and did not response to). Your just repeating yourself again without responding to the scriptures and posts that disagree with your teachings of lawlessness (without law). As posted earlier and shown through the scriptures which are God's Words not my words that you deny with your words that are not God's Word, love is not separate from Gods' law according to the scriptures it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law. This is why Jesus says "on these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40.

Paul says the same thing here quoting God's commandments verbatim showing that the 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man are simply summed up as loving our neighbor as our self in Romans 13:8-10 agreeing with James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 that love to God and man is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. This is the new covenant promise of salvation through faith as outlined in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

Love therefore according to the scriptures fulfills Gods' law and is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. Of course this includes our duty of love to God which includes remembering Gods' "seventh day" Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that show how we express our love to God.

Therefore no one loves God or their fellow man according to the scriptures by knowingly breaking Gods' law. That is a teaching of lawlessness (without law) and is a teaching that is not biblical. Please forgive me but I do not believe what your teaching is biblical as shown through the scriptures to you and if I were you I would be running as far away from this teaching as as possible as well as those who are teaching it to you.

Take Care.
 
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The Sabbath was given only to Israel and was one of the laws of the covenant given at Sinai and ended at the Cross.

YHWH's renewed covenant is with none but Israel.

(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

When we come into covenant through Yahshua; we are grafted into Israel.

Those who are following Yahshua are Israel.

All of the laws of the Sinai covenant have been fulfilled by Jesus.

(CLV) Ro 8:4
that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.

Those who are following Yahshua, walk the same walk.

Yahshua walked in the Torah.
 
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Firstly we cannot separate scripture from it's contexts. So we must read what the scriptures are saying in regards to the contexts and their subject matter (topical study) of course prayerfully seeking God's guidance for His Spirit to be our guide and teacher.

Let's start with Matthew 5:18 by adding in all the surrounding scripture context and see what the scriptures are referring to...

Matthew 5:17-20
[17], THINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFIL.

Note: Right off we see Jesus making it very clear here that before he says anything that he is not talking about abolishing or destroying the law and the prophets, so what Jesus says is not about getting rid of the law it is about Him fulfilling all aspects of the law.

Let's talk about context.

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

Yahshua fulfilled all of the Torah and the Prophets that were relevant to his first coming; but all has not occurred and al of the Torah and the Prophets spoke of, has not been fulfilled.

If it had, Yahshua probably wouldn't have mentioned that heaven and earth would have to pass, before one iota of the Torah will.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

Why would Yahshua speak of someone annulling a precept? He didn't annul any. Why would he speak of those who are least in heaven? Do you believe that he was speaking of himself?



(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

Yahshua is saying this to us.

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

(CLV) Ro 8:4
that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.

So you see, Yahshua was speaking about far more than the Torah being fulfilled by him. He speaks of the Torah being fulfilled by us, when we are in him.
 
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Let's talk about context.

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

Yahshua fulfilled all of the Torah and the Prophets that were relevant to his first coming; but all has not occurred and al of the Torah and the Prophets spoke of, has not been fulfilled.

If it had, Yahshua probably wouldn't have mentioned that heaven and earth would have to pass, before one iota of the Torah will.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

Why would Yahshua speak of someone annulling a precept? He didn't annul any. Why would he speak of those who are least in heaven? Do you believe that he was speaking of himself?



(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

Yahshua is saying this to us.

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

(CLV) Ro 8:4
that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.

So you see, Yahshua was speaking about far more than the Torah being fulfilled by him. He speaks of the Torah being fulfilled by us, when we are in him.

What do you think the post you are quoting from is saying and how does what you have posted disagree from what you are quoting from? It doesn't accept what you are quoting from and the context provided shows the application of Matthew 5:17-20 is to all law and the prophets. That is all the "shadow laws" and the prophets that foretold the coming of the Messiah in Christ and His work on our behalf under the new covenant as well as His perfect obedience to God's 10 commandments as our sinless sacrifice for sin as well as what that perfect obedience to God's law means to us (Matthew 5:20; Romans 8:4). The context is already provided in post # 1072 linked please do not pretend that it isn't.
 
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What do you think the post you are quoting from is saying and how does what you have posted disagree from what you are quoting from? It doesn't accept what you are quoting from and the context provided shows the application of Matthew 5:17-20 is to all law and the prophets. That is all the "shadow laws" and the prophets that foretold the coming of the Messiah in Christ and His work on our behalf under the new covenant as well as His perfect obedience to God's 10 commandments as our sinless sacrifice for sin as well as what that perfect obedience to God's law means to us (Matthew 5:20; Romans 8:4). The context is already provided in post # 1072 linked please do not pretend that it isn't.

The passage being discussed doesn't mention shadow laws. That is not the context, You're reading into it, something that is not there. It doesn't mention the 10 commandments either. It mentions the Law. We can safely infer that this means all of the Law. If Yahshua meant only the 10 Words; I feel confident that he would have said so.
 
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This is why Jesus says "on these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40.

Paul says the same thing here quoting God's commandments verbatim showing that the 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man are simply summed up as loving our neighbor as our self in Romans 13:8-10 agreeing with James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 that love to God and man is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law.


Do you not find it strange that the 4th commandment is not specifically mentioned in the New Testament passages that you referenced above?

Why not? It is because the 4th commandment is the "sign" of the Sinai Covenant now found to be "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13.
It is the "sign" of the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" to be "cast out" in Galatians 4:24-31.


Exo_31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.


Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;


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Col 2:16 Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body is of the Christ;

Are a shadow? Present tense?

Of coming things? Future tense?

This preceding verse might provide some insight as to what Paul was talking about. The subject was not the Sabbath.

(CLV) Col 2:8
Beware that no one shall be despoiling you through philosophy and empty seduction, in accord with human tradition, in accord with the elements of the world, and not in accord with Christ,

YHWH's eternal Sabbath is not pkilosophy. It is not empty seduction. It is not human tradition; nor is it an element of the world.

It is a sign for all of Yah's people forever.

(CLV) Ex 31:13
Now you, speak to the sons of Israel saying, Surely, My sabbaths shall you keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations to know that I am Yahweh, Who is hallowing you.

This thread might provide some deeper insight on this subject:

Colossians 2:16
 
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The passage being discussed doesn't mention shadow laws. That is not the context, You're reading into it, something that is not there. It doesn't mention the 10 commandments either. It mentions the Law. We can safely infer that this means all of the Law. If Yahshua meant only the 10 Words; I feel confident that he would have said so.
I respectfully disagree. The Mosiac laws for remission of sins are shadow laws pointing to, fulfilled and continued in Christ. As posted earlier Matthew 5:17-20 is talking about all law including the laws of remission of sins fulfilled and continued in Christ.
 
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5:17-20 is talking about all law including the laws of remission of sins fulfilled in Christ.

That's not what you said here; is it?:


What do you think the post you are quoting from is saying and how does what you have posted disagree from what you are quoting from? It doesn't accept what you are quoting from and the context provided shows the application of Matthew 5:17-20 is to all law and the prophets. That is all the "shadow laws" and the prophets that foretold the coming of the Messiah in Christ and His work on our behalf under the new covenant as well as His perfect obedience to God's 10 commandments as our sinless sacrifice for sin as well as what that perfect obedience to God's law means to us (Matthew 5:20; Romans 8:4). The context is already provided in post # 1072 linked please do not pretend that it isn't.

Messiah never made mention of shadow laws. He did however admonish the traditions of men.
 
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