Purpose of the sabbath

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(CLV) Hb 10:1
For the law, having a shadow of the impending good things, not the selfsame image of the matters, they, with their same sacrifices which they are offering year by year, are never able to perfect to a finality those approaching.


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May I humbly point out that the "LAW" discussed in Heb. 7-10 is the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi. This "LAW", that Abraham didn't have, was "ADDED" to the Laws, Statutes, Commandments and Judgments that Abraham obeyed. God's Priesthood is forever, but the "Order of Aaron" was a Temporary Covenant from it's beginning.

This "Separation" of Levi from the other tribes of Israel, along with the Separation God showed between God's Eternal Commands, and the Levitical Priesthood, is rejected by "many" who come in the Messiah's Name. They try to combine the two, in the same way the Children of the Devil tried to combine the two in Christ's Time.

Therefore, they didn't understand then, nor do they understand now, that the Covenant that changed, was the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi, which had nothing to do with God's Commandments, Feasts, Statutes or Judgments. As it is written;

Jer. 31:33 For this [is] the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days, An affirmation of Yahweh, I have given My law in their inward part, And on their heart I do write it,

This was the exclusive duty of the Levite Priest "Before" after those days.

Heb. 7:11 If, indeed, then, perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for the people have been placed under law with it), what need is there still for a different priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not said to be according to the order of Aaron?


And I have been to them for Elohim, And they are to me for a people." 34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbor, and each his brother, Saying, Know you Yahweh, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Yahweh;

And here we are, all of us with the Torah, the Oracles of God, in our own homes, our own hands, our own mind. No more required to SEEK out a Levite Priest to "Hear" Moses, as per the Covenant God made with Levi to atone for the sin's of the people after Israel Transgressed. All we need now is faith/belief, that most of Israel refused to have. "children in whom is no Faith".

"For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more."

No more requirement to SEEK out a Levite Priest to accept our Sin Offering, a goat, for our sins to provide for our forgiveness. A new Covenant, a New Priesthood, which isn't new, but the return to the order of Melchizedek, who had no beginning and no end.
 
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Therefore, they didn't understand then, nor do they understand now, that the Covenant that changed, was the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi, which had nothing to do with God's Commandments, Feasts, Statutes or Judgments. As it is written;

So this brings up an interesting point. In Heb 8:4 " Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law"

So as you note above Heb 7 puts an end to the earthly priesthood that we find in the OT scriptures. Even Christ would not be priest on Earth Heb 8:4 - but rather it changes to the priesthood of Christ in heaven.

So if we remove the liturgy for all the feasts of Lev 23 since there is no earthly priest - what is left of them? We could possibly be creative about it - but that is not the same as finding a text saying how to observe the feast without a priest doing something in the room etc. Or am I missing something?
 
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If your going to quote from Ephesians please quote the entire verse. You keep snipping that verse (Ephesians 6:1).

"honor your father and mother which is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2

Eph 6:1 "Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right." -- Many argue that vs 1 is where it "should have ended" after all Paul is an Apostle, an inspired Bible writer. Why would his word not be "enough" ? why does Paul go out of his way in vs 2 to pull the TEN Commandments into it?

In fact if all he did was quote Ex 20:12 and not mentioned its "the first commandment with a promise" inside that list of TEN - then it would have been even less focus on the "list of TEN". That would have been another great alternative to what he actually did?

Instead Paul goes out of his way to drag the TEN in -- for Christians with vs 2.
 
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The ten are included in the moral Law of God written on the heart under the NEW COVENANT of Jer 31:31-34 - as both Jeremiah and his readers well knew.

As the Baptist Confession of Faith sectn 19 freely admits
As D.L. Moody freely admits in his sermon on the TEN Commandments
As the Westminster Confession of Faith admits when it too states that the TEN were "written on the heart and mind" - the very claim that the NEW Covenant makes about the Law of God.

It does not say it made "God's Law obsolete".


Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Early Church Fathers who lived before the time of Constantine comment on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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May I humbly point out that the "LAW" discussed in Heb. 7-10 is the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi. This "LAW", that Abraham didn't have, was "ADDED" to the Laws, Statutes, Commandments and Judgments that Abraham obeyed. God's Priesthood is forever, but the "Order of Aaron" was a Temporary Covenant from it's beginning.

I would like to kindly point out that you seem to be conflating Levi and Aaron.

(CLV) Jer 33:20
Thus says Yahweh: If you could annul My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night so that daytime and night fail to come about in their proper time,

(CLV) Jer 33:21
then also My covenant could be annulled with David My servant, so that he should not come to have a son reigning on his throne, and that with the Levites, the priests, My ministers.
 
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Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

As revealed by the verse above, the 10 commandments are the Sinai Covenant.
The 613 commandments explain how to keep the 10 commandments.
What part of this do you not understand?


This is the same covenant of "bondage" Paul told the Galatian believers to "cast out" in Galatians 4:24-31.

It is the same covenant which is now "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13.

Thank you, for proving my point and everything I have been sharing with you. You have just shown me that you do not read my posts and you do not know what the old covenant is or what the new covenant is that the old covenant points to. For example, what does Exodus 24:7 say and mean and how does it link with Exodus 34:28 that I have already posted and agree with? If you disagree, please read and address the scriptures provided in post # 1028 linked that disagree with your teachings of lawlessness (without law). You keep trying to read into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach.
 
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LGW, Are the greatest commandments ever given, until Jesus NEW COMMAND, shadow commands? Well, maybe you should be aware that the love commands came out of the mouth of God and not part of the few commands written with God's finger on stone. Would the command not to glean the corners of fields be a shadow command?

Well that is not true at all Bob, I addressed your claims here with a detailed scripture response that you did not respond back to. According to the scriptures sin is the breaking of anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 or knowingly not believing and following what God's Word says *Romans 14:23; James 4:17. John goes on to say in 1 John 2:3-4 and hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Then in 1 John 3:4-7 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. So we are told how we know God is by what we do. If we know God we do not practice sin (defined as breaking God's law and not believing his Word).

John continues, in 1 John 8-10 He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother. So the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is sin. That is the children of the devil practice known unrepentant sin while the children of God do not practice sin. They are obedient to Gods' law that is they do not practice breaking God's law and commit known unrepentant sin and are obedient to obeying God's commandments (see also Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14).

John then links the obedience of God's law to love at the end of 1 John 3:10 where he says , In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother because love is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. In 1 John 3:11-24 John compared hate with murder and breaking God's commandments with love and obedience to Gods' commandments. This is the new covenant teaching of Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 and why we need to be born again to love in order to keep God's law from the heart. John also defines what he means in linking obedience to God's law to love when he says in 1 John 2:2-3 [2], By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3], For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

This is agreeing with Jesus and is why Jesus says in Matthew 22:36-40 on these two great commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets. Love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed through obedience to Gods' law. For example if I love my fellow man I will not lie to them, steal from them, or murder them the same as if I love God I will not have other Gods, make idols and worship them, take God's name in vain and break His "seventh day" Sabbath.

Paul is also agreeing with Jesus and John here where he says in Romans 13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Love therefore according to the scriptures fulfills Gods' law and is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. Of course this includes our duty of love to God which includes remembering Gods' "seventh day" Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that show how we express our love to God.

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LGW, Are the greatest commandments ever given, until Jesus NEW COMMAND, shadow commands? Well, maybe you should be aware that the love commands came out of the mouth of God and not part of the few commands written with God's finger on stone. Would the command not to glean the corners of fields be a shadow command?
As posted in the previous post to you Bob, love is not separate from obedience to God's law it is how love is expressed and is why Jesus says "on these two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. Paul says the same thing here quoting God's commandments verbatim showing that the 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man are simply summed up as loving our neighbor as our self in Romans 13:8-10 agreeing with James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 that love to God and man is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking God's law. This is the new covenant promise of salvation through faith as outlined in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.
 
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Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Early Church Fathers who lived before the time of Constantine comment on the Sabbath:


Ignatius of Antioch

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master(Letter to the Magnesians(shorter) Chapter IX.—Let us live with Christ [A.D. 110]).

During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection(The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians Longer Versions. Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.)

Justin Martyr

The Lawgiver is present, yet you do not see Him; to the poor the Gospel is preached, the blind see, yet you do not understand. You have now need of a second circumcision, though you glory greatly in the flesh. The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you: and if you eat unleavened bread, you say the will of God has been fulfilled. The Lord our God does not take pleasure in such observances: if there is any perjured person or a thief among you, let him cease to be so; if any adulterer, let him repent; then he has kept the sweet and true sabbaths of God. If any one has impure hands, let him wash and be pure.(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XII.—The Jews violate the eternal law, and interpret ill that of Moses.)

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us, —I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?(Dialogue with Trypho the Jew Chapter XVIII.—Christians would observe the law, if they did not know why it was instituted. [A.D. 155]).

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,1 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.(First Apology Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians. [A.D. 155]).

“Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man. Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XXIII.—The opinion of the Jews regarding the law does an injury to God.)

“As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people’s heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father’s will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show.(The Second Apology of Justin for the Christians Addressed to the Roman Senate. Chapter XLIII.—He concludes that the law had an end in Christ, who was born of the Virgin.)

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God”(An Answer to the Jews Chapter II.—The Law Anterior to Moses. [A.D. 203]).

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.For the Jews say, that from the beginning God sanctified the seventh day, by resting on it from all His works which He made; and that thence it was, likewise, that Moses said to the People: “Remember the day of the sabbaths, to sanctify it: every servile work ye shall not do therein, except what pertaineth unto life.” Whence we (Christians) understand that we still more ought to observe a sabbath from all “servile work” always, and not only every seventh day, but through all time. And through this arises the question for us, what sabbath God willed us to keep? For the Scriptures point to a sabbath eternal and a sabbath temporal. For Isaiah the prophet says, “Your sabbaths my soul hateth;” and in another place he says, “My sabbaths ye have profaned.”9 Whence we discern that the temporal sabbath is human, and the eternal sabbath is accounted divine; concerning which He predicts through Isaiah: “And there shall be,” He says, “month after month, and day after day, and sabbath after sabbath; and all flesh shall come to adore in Jerusalem, saith the Lord;” which we understand to have been fulfilled in the times of Christ, when “all flesh”—that is, every nation—“came to adore in Jerusalem” God the Father, through Jesus Christ His Son, as was predicted through the prophet: “Behold, proselytes through me shall go unto Thee.” Thus, therefore, before this temporal sabbath, there was withal an eternal sabbath foreshown and foretold; just as before the carnal circumcision there was withal a spiritual circumcision foreshown. In short, let them teach us, as we have already premised, that Adam observed the sabbath; or that Abel, when offering to God a holy victim, pleased Him by a religious reverence for the sabbath; or that Enoch, when translated, had been a keeper of the sabbath; or that Noah the ark-builder observed, on account of the deluge, an immense sabbath; or that Abraham, in observance of the sabbath, offered Isaac his son; or that Melchizedek in his priesthood received the law of the sabbath

But the Jews are sure to say, that ever since this precept was given through Moses, the observance has been binding. Manifest accordingly it is, that the precept was not eternal nor spiritual, but temporary, which would one day cease. In short, so true is it that it is not in the exemption from work of the sabbath—that is, of the seventh day—that the celebration of this solemnity is to consist, that Joshua the son of Nun, at the time that he was reducing the city Jericho by war, stated that he had received from God a precept to order the People that priests should carry the ark of the testament of God seven days, making the circuit of the city; and thus, when the seventh day’s circuit had been performed, the walls of the city would spontaneously fall. Which was so done; and when the space of the seventh day was finished, just as was predicted, down fell the walls of the city. Whence it is manifestly shown, that in the number of the seven days there intervened a sabbath-day. For seven days, whencesoever they may have commenced, must necessarily include within them a sabbath-day; on which day not only must the priests have worked, but the city must have been made a prey by the edge of the sword by all the people of Israel. Nor is it doubtful that they “wrought servile work,” when, in obedience to God’s precept, they drave the preys of war. For in the times of the Maccabees, too, they did bravely in fighting on the sabbaths, and routed their foreign foes, and recalled the law of their fathers to the primitive style of life by fighting on the sabbaths. Nor should I think it was any other law which they thus vindicated, than the one in which they remembered the existence of the prescript touching “the day of the sabbaths.” Whence it is manifest that the force of such precepts was temporary, and respected the necessity of present circumstances; and that it was not with a view to its observance in perpetuity that God formerly gave them such a law.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter IV.—Of the Observance of the Sabbath.)

Therefore, since it is manifest that a sabbath temporal was shown, and a sabbath eternal foretold; a circumcision carnal foretold, and a circumcision spiritual pre-indicated; a law temporal and a law eternal formally declared; sacrifices carnal and sacrifices spiritual foreshown; it follows that, after all these precepts had been given carnally, in time preceding, to the people Israel, there was to supervene a time whereat the precepts of the ancient Law and of the old ceremonies would cease, and the promise3 of the new law, and the recognition of spiritual sacrifices, and the promise of the New Testament, supervene;4 while the light from on high would beam upon us who were sitting in darkness, and were being detained in the shadow of death.5 And so there is incumbent on us a necessity6 binding us, since we have premised that a new law was predicted by the prophets, and that not such as had been already given to their fathers at the time when He led them forth from the land of Egypt,7 to show and prove, on the one hand, that that old Law has ceased, and on the other, that the promised new law is now in operation.

And, indeed, first we must inquire whether there be expected a giver of the new law, and an heir of the new testament, and a priest of the new sacrifices, and a purger of the new circumcision, and an observer of the eternal sabbath, to suppress the old law, and institute the new testament, and offer the new sacrifices, and repress the ancient ceremonies, and suppress8 the old circumcision together with its own sabbath, and announce the new kingdom which is not corruptible. Inquire, I say, we must, whether this giver of the new law, observer of the spiritual sabbath, priest of the eternal sacrifices, eternal ruler of the eternal kingdom, be come or no: that, if he is already come, service may have to be rendered him; if he is not yet come, he may have to be awaited, until by his advent it be manifest that the old Law’s precepts are suppressed, and that the beginnings of the new law ought to arise. And, primarily, we must lay it down that the ancient Law and the prophets could not have ceased, unless He were come who was constantly announced, through the same Law and through the same prophets, as to come.(An Answer to the Jews Chapter VI.—Of the Abolition and the Abolisher of the Old Law. [A.D. 203]).

But you, many of you, also under pretence sometimes of worshipping the heavenly bodies, move your lips in the direction of the sunrise. In the same way, if we devote Sun-day to rejoicing, from a far different reason than Sun-worship, we have some resemblance to those of you who devote the day of Saturn to ease and luxury, though they too go far away from Jewish ways, of which indeed they are ignorant.(Apology Chapter XVI.)

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I see a formula going on here. Repetition, rinse and repeat while not addressing anyone's posts from the scriptures that disagree with you. (see the response to this you choose to ignore and not respond to in post # 817 linked and post # 818 linked). You have a bit of catching up to do. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear. According to the scriptures the Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day *John 12:47-48.
 
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(CLV) Hb 10:1
For the law, having a shadow of the impending good things, not the selfsame image of the matters, they, with their same sacrifices which they are offering year by year, are never able to perfect to a finality those approaching.


Inflected: ἔχων
Root: ἔχω
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Strong's: G2192
Code: V-PAP-NSM
Long: Verb - Present Active Participle - Nominative Singular Masculine

Masculine
Speech: Verb
Tense: Present
Voice: Active

Mood: Participle
Case: Nominative
Number: Singular
Gender:
Inflected: ἔχων
Root: ἔχω
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Strong's: G2192
Code: V-PAP-NSM
Long: Verb - Present Active Participle - Nominative Singular Masculine

So you post the present tense participle to the Greek word "having" ἔχων in Hebrews 10:1. How does this change anything that was shared with you? - It doesn't. It agrees with what I have already shared with you. Has God's sacrifice been made (1 John 1:29; Hebrews 10:1-22)? Is Jesus ministering on our behalf as our great high Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man? - Yep (Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-6; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22). For the law (of remission of sins) of the Levitical Priesthood, and earthly Sanctuary, animal sacrifices and sin offerings (Context is Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22) having a "shadow" good things to come under the old covenant are not the image of the things and can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect (Hebrews 10:1). Time to leave the shadows now dear friend we are in the new covenant now not the old covenant and Jesus has arrived and His ministration is based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.
 
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So you post the present tense participle to the Greek word "having" ἔχων in Hebrews 10:1. How does this change anything that was shared with you? - It doesn't. It agrees with that I have already shared with you. Has God's sacrifice been made (1 John 1:29; Hebrews 10:1-22)? Is Jesus ministering on our behalf as our great high Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man? - Yep (Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-6; Hebrews 9:1-27; Hebrews 10:1-22).

The law is (present tense), not what was (past tense). It is (present tense) a shadow.

(CLV) Col 2:17
which are a shadow of those things which are impending—yet the body is the Christ's.

Yahshua is (present tense) casting that shadow.

YHWH told us to keep his Moedim forever.

Yahshua said the law Torah stands.

Paul honored YHWH's Moedim long after Yahshua had ascended; and he taught his disciples to do the same.

If you believe that your interpretation of these scriptures overrides Messiah, and even YHWH himself; then we will have to agree to disagree.
 
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The law is (present tense), not what was (past tense). It is (present tense) a shadow.

(CLV) Col 2:17
which are a shadow of those things which are impending—yet the body is the Christ's.

Yahshua is (present tense) casting that shadow.

YHWH told us to keep his Moedim forever.

Yahshua said the law Torah stands.

Paul honored YHWH's Moedim long after Yahshua had ascended; and he taught his disciples to do the same.

If you believe that your interpretation of these scriptures overrides Messiah, and even YHWH himself; then we will have to agree to disagree.
Arr your wrong it is the law (for remission of sins being a noun that is nominative masculine singular) having (verb present tense participle - to) "a shadow of good things to come". What you just wrote makes no sense. How can the law of remission of sins be present tense when it is a shadow pointing to the new covenant promise (Hebrews 10:1-17)?
 
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Arr your wrong it is the law (for remission of sins being a noun that is nominative masculine singular) having (verb present tense participle - to) "a shadow of good things to come". What you just wrote makes no sense. How can the law of remission of sins be present tense when it is a shadow pointing to the new covenant promise (Hebrews 10:1-17)?

Let's review some key points of this passage.


(CLV) Hb 10:7
Then said I, "Lo! I am arriving—In the summary of the scroll it is written concerning Me—To do Thy will, O God."

(CLV) Hb 10:16
"`This is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with them after those days,' the Lord is saying, `imparting My laws onto their hearts, I shall be inscribing them on theircomprehension also,

(CLV) Hb 10:17
and of their sins and their lawlessnesses shall I under no circumstances still be reminded.'"

How do you suppose that we can reject YHWH's Torah, and remain in covenant?
 
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How can the law of remission of sins be present tense when it is a shadow pointing to the new covenant promise

The shadow is being cast by Messiah.

How can one walk away from Messiah's shadow, while not walking away from Messiah?

Yahshua leads us toward the light. If we walk as he walks; we are following in his footsteps. If Yahshua is leading us toward the light; we are following in his shadow.
 
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Let's review some key points of this passage.


(CLV) Hb 10:7
Then said I, "Lo! I am arriving—In the summary of the scroll it is written concerning Me—To do Thy will, O God."

(CLV) Hb 10:16
"`This is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with them after those days,' the Lord is saying, `imparting My laws onto their hearts, I shall be inscribing them on theircomprehension also,

(CLV) Hb 10:17
and of their sins and their lawlessnesses shall I under no circumstances still be reminded.'"

How do you suppose that we can reject YHWH's Torah, and remain in covenant?

Trying to change the topic now? You were wrong in regards to the Greek HARK! Just own it. The new covenant is not rejecting the Torah it fulfills it and is continued in it because it points to Christ and His role as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and His ministration as our great high Priest ministering in our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6; John 1:29; Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22. Staying in the shadows is denying the very Christ (Messiah) to who they point to just as the Jews did who crucified him. I am not sure why you cannot see this to be honest.
 
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Trying to change the topic now? You were wrong in regards to the Greek HARK! Just own it.

I quoted scholarly sources regarding the Greek. If you wish to refute my sources; I'll be awaiting your advanced refutation.

Just saying "you're wrong" doesn't cut it.
 
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I quoted scholarly sources regarding the Greek. If you wish to refute my sources; I'll be awaiting your advanced refutation. Just saying "you're wrong" doesn't cut it.
There was nothing wrong with the Greek source as posted to you earlier it was your application of it as shown in the Greek from post # 1053 that you tried to ignore which shows you do not understand the Greek. The linked post provided above was only posted in love and as a help to you. You would gain more respect in our discussion in my view if you could acknowledge when you have made a mistake. That is up to you though of course. You are wrong in your application of the Greek as shown in the linked post. Whether you acknowledge it or not that is up to you.
 
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The new covenant is not rejecting the Torah it fulfills it and is continued in it because it points to Christ and His role as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and His ministration as our great high Priest ministering in our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6; John 1:29; Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22.

YHWH said his Moedim are forever. Yahshua says the Torah stands. You can dance around this all day; but it doesn't change YHWH's word.

YHWH doesn't change.
 
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There is was nothing wrong with the Greek source as posted to you earlier it was your application of it as shown in the Greek from post # 1053 that you tried to ignore which shows you do not understand the Greek. You would gain more respect in my view if you could acknowledge when you have made a mistake. That is up to you though of course. You are wrong. Whether you acknowledge it or not that is up to you.

If you look at what YHWH says regarding his Moedim; and you look at what Yahshua said about the Torah not passing away; you will see that your interpretation of the scripture in regards to which I posted the Greek; doesn't line up with what YHWH and Yahshua said.

If you believe that the authors of the scripture, that you have been presenting regarding this subject, are contradicting the Father and the Son; that is a big mistake.
 
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Of course! Don't you?

PESACH (Passover)

“And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to YHWH throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

Do you see a speck in my eye?
The Passover lamb was the shadow of the true lamb, Jesus Christ, the perfect sacrifice. Why would I practice a shadow law when the fulfillment of that law has taken place. You remind me of the Jewish audience in the letter to the Hebrews, trying to return to the law.

Do you still sacrifice according to the law?
 
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