Why did God create you?

TedT · Jul 24, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
God made me for the same reason He made everyone else so that we could have fellowship with Him in a loving relationship.

I agree.

Since the story of GOD's interaction with mankind ends with the marriage of the Lamb to His Bride, I suggest that the heavenly marriage is the purpose of our creation.

Fellowship and communion denote the same thing in heavenly terms, a deep and abiding emotional awareness and telepathic communication (like GOD has with the holy and elect angels right now) of everyone with everyone within the marriage no matter where in this whole universe we are visiting.

This communion of marriage is how we glorify HIM forever...

trophy33 · Jul 24, 2021

fide said:
I would say, from my experience, the difference is between what the Church believes and professes in her tradition, and what the protestants believe and profess in their tradition. Mysticism IS classical/traditional/faithful Christianity - of which many remain in ignorance, both Catholics (who are not taught enough of the Catholic Faith) and protestants (who do not have this truth in their tradition, whether they are taught well or not).

Protestants have mysticism too, but, similarly to catholics, they do not deem it as of much importance. Quite rightly so, because the claims of mystics are not verifiable and mostly not of much practical value.

Protestant Mysticism: Pacifists and the "Practice of the Presence" on JSTOR
The Protestant Mystics

Lost4words · Jul 24, 2021

God made me so that others may smile at my loving eyes! ( And short legs) Woof!

fide · Jul 24, 2021

myst33 said:
Protestants have mysticism too, but, similarly to catholics, they do not deem it as of much importance. Quite rightly so, because the claims of mystics are not verifiable and mostly not of much practical value.

Protestant Mysticism: Pacifists and the "Practice of the Presence" on JSTOR
The Protestant Mystics

The second reference you cite states the issue rightly, I believe:

... the Orthodox and Roman Catholic traditions have extensive vocabularies that allow the mystics of those traditions to express themselves in ways that are accessible to their constituencies. Not only has the Protestant stream of God's grace lost a common language for this expression, it has, in many instances both suppressed and sown skepticism of Christian mysticism.

Protestant mysticism is confused and fractured, and thus does not lend itself to systematic and coherent development as a theology. Thus it cannot advance and be a blessing for other members who want to really grow in prayer. It shares the problem of protestantism in general - there is no unity, only at best a confederation among some denominations.

I'm sorry, but a person can say, as you have, that "the claims of mystics are not verifiable and mostly not of much practical value" only if he has never experienced it himself. What is the value of a human soul? What is the value of love? What is the value of finding Truth, and of growing to maturity as a human being?

fide · Jul 24, 2021

Lost4words said:
God made me so that others may smile at my loving eyes! ( And short legs) Woof!

And a smile is a beautiful thing to behold.

fide · Jul 24, 2021

TedT said:
I agree.

Since the story of GOD's interaction with mankind ends with the marriage of the Lamb to His Bride, I suggest that the heavenly marriage is the purpose of our creation.

Fellowship and communion denote the same thing in heavenly terms, a deep and abiding emotional awareness and telepathic communication (like GOD has with the holy and elect angels right now) of everyone with everyone within the marriage no matter where in this whole universe we are visiting.

This communion of marriage is how we glorify HIM forever...

I agree, although it must be said that the set of words, "the heavenly marriage is the purpose of our creation," is true, as it is also true that "God is love." Yet clearly, the meaning in each one of those sentences could not be contained in a billion books. We can only begin to understand God and His ways, in the brief moment of a lifetime. The eternity of communion in Him will never become a finished experience or education.

d taylor · Jul 24, 2021

fide said:
Did you click on the wrong thread? A thread that was about "satan's appeal of his sentence to the lake of fire, after his sin and fall"?

No i just did not want to write (as i am not a skilled writer) a long statement on this. So i tried to shorten my post but it is a involved question as to why God created you,me man, women.

So again instead of trying to write out a long post on this i will provide this link that touches on much of what i was thinking.

Lesson 4: Why God Created People (Genesis 1:26-31) | Bible.org

trophy33 · Jul 24, 2021

fide said:
The second reference you cite states the issue rightly, I believe:

... the Orthodox and Roman Catholic traditions have extensive vocabularies that allow the mystics of those traditions to express themselves in ways that are accessible to their constituencies. Not only has the Protestant stream of God's grace lost a common language for this expression, it has, in many instances both suppressed and sown skepticism of Christian mysticism.

Protestant mysticism is confused and fractured, and thus does not lend itself to systematic and coherent development as a theology. Thus it cannot advance and be a blessing for other members who want to really grow in prayer. It shares the problem of protestantism in general - there is no unity, only at best a confederation among some denominations.

Thats just her opinion. Also, have you ever heard the motto of the European Union? "United in diversity". It frequently works better than a forced monolithic unity.

fide said:
I'm sorry, but a person can say, as you have, that "the claims of mystics are not verifiable and mostly not of much practical value" only if he has never experienced it himself. What is the value of a human soul? What is the value of love? What is the value of finding Truth, and of growing to maturity as a human being?

What is the value of mysticism for the general population?

TedT · Jul 24, 2021

myst33 said:
1) Yes, a person who is born is not created. We had parents.

... but orthodoxy (except Jehovah's Witnesses) understands that we also are a spirit in nature and this spirit had to have been created. Most church dogma accepts either the creation of the spirit ex nihilo at birth which is called the creationism of souls theory OR by the parents bodies at conception called the theory of traducianism.

Although it is not an orthodox dogma of any Church, many Christians actually reject both these theories and believe we were all created as spirits before the creation of the physical universe which we ALL witnessed, Job 38:7, Rom 1:18-20, a theory called by various names such as pre-earth existence or our pre-conception existence (pce) or the misnomer of pre-existence (nothing can pre-exist its existence).

After some spirits sinned they were flung into Sheol, Rev 12:4-9, in the earth from where we, sinners already, are moved from, ie, sown or planted (not created as the devil cannot create but is said to sow) into the world as per Matt 13:36-39, and to where the wicked of the nations RETURN, Ps 9:17 The wicked will return to Sheol, all the nations who forget God. when they die.

trophy33 · Jul 24, 2021

TedT said:
... but orthodoxy (except Jehovah's Witnesses) understands that we also are a spirit in nature and this spirit had to have been created. Most church dogma accepts either the creation of the spirit ex nihilo at birth which is called the creationism of souls theory OR by the the parents bodies at conception called the theory of traducianism.

Although it is not an orthodox dogma of any Church, many Christians actually reject both these theories and believe we were all created as spirits before the creation of the physical universe which we ALL witnessed, Job 38:7, Rom 1:18-20, a theory call by various names such as pre-earth existence or our pre-conception existence (pce) or the misnomer of pre-existence (nothing can pre-exist its existence).

After some spirits sinned they were flung into Sheol, Rev 12:4-9, in the earth from where we, sinners already, are moved from, ie, sown or planted (not created as the devil cannot create but is said to sow) into the world as per Matt 13:36-39, and to where the wicked of the nations RETURN, Ps 9:17 The wicked will return to Sheol, all the nations who forget God. when they die.

Spirit from God + body from parents = new individual soul.

MariaChristi · Jul 24, 2021

fide said:
Yes, "back in the day" the Church did a beautiful work in catechesis, beginning with memory work (which did "stick" deeply in young and open minds!) and progressing into growing understanding of the mysteries of the Catholic Faith. I always appreciate hearing from many Catholic adults who were raised and taught (and taught well) the Faith as children, who have now a foundation that welcomes understanding more and more - now as adults - these and many other beautiful mysteries that God has shared with us. Many saints were made, by saints, in those days, thanks be to God.

Dear Fide,

Thanks so much for your reply. There were holy teachers who inspired me to learn more about God as a child, as a teen, as a young adult -- you are quite right -- God sends holy persons into our lives to help us on our journey. toward Him. The witness of the Saints throughout the History of the Catholic Church as well as their writings has also been a blessing.

However, it has been God's Grace time and again, that has been at work and especially through the intercession of Mary, the Mother He gave to all from His Cross. Thanks for your efforts on this thread. I pray the seeds you have planted, by God's Graces to you. may bear much fruit in "those who have ears to hear."

TedT · Jul 24, 2021

fide said:
...it is also true that "God is love."

Indeed...so it may be concluded that our creation was to increase the love shared in existence.

But them I stumble over why GOD then chose to create HIS Bride in Adam's sin, condemned to death? It not only does not make sense, it would seem to blaspheme HIS purpose of increasing the love in existence!

If we start with GOD's nature then we cannot get to inherited sin. We only get to inherited sin if we start with our being created here on earth into death which proves sin and we need to find a vehicle for that sinfulness.

SongOnTheWind · Jul 24, 2021

fide said:
Why do you think He did?

You first

Clare73 · Jul 24, 2021

fide said:
I find that so many "doctrinal" differences (Catholic/protestant) have a beginning at a deeper level than usually is ever addressed. Maybe this question can illuminate something essential - a foundational belief upon which the Christian revelation can either stand true, or collapse under the weight of contradictions concerning God Himself.

Why do you exist? Why did God make you? What is your purpose in His Heart?

I'd be grateful to hear responses.

"To know, love and serve him in this world, and be happy with him in the next."

fide · Jul 24, 2021

Clare73 said:
"To know, love and serve him in this world, and be happy with him in the next."

Former (or present) Catholic?

fide · Jul 24, 2021

SongOnTheWind said:
You first

Please read my posts #13, 21 and 27. They say a lot toward my thoughts on the matter. Now - you talk. What do you believe?

Clare73 · Jul 24, 2021

fide said:
Former (or present) Catholic?

Informed believer.

fide · Jul 25, 2021

Clare73 said:
Informed believer.

Your post #54 was so close to the [Catholic] old 1891 Baltimore Catechism:

CATECHISM No. 1 LESSON FIRST: ON THE END OF MAN
1. Q. Who made the world?
A. God made the world.
2. Q. Who is God?
A. God is the Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things.
3. Q. What is man?
A. Man is a creature composed of body and soul, and made to the image and likeness of God.
6. Q. Why did God make you?
A. God made me to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with Him for ever in heaven.
9. Q. What must we do to save our souls?
A. To save our souls, we must worship God by faith, hope, and charity; that is, we must believe in Him, hope in Him, and love Him with all our heart.

The Truth does not change, not in time and not by sophistication. It is simple, no matter how complicated we can get!

fide · Jul 25, 2021

TedT said:
... but orthodoxy (except Jehovah's Witnesses) understands that we also are a spirit in nature and this spirit had to have been created.

"orthodoxy"? Maybe you meant the same as below, but "we also are a spirit" is a bit confusing to me. The (orthodox) Catholic Faith holds that the human person is a union of (corporeal) body and (spiritual) soul. From the (Catholic) Catechism:

II. “BODY AND SOUL BUT TRULY ONE”
362 The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that “then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.”<Gen 2:7> Man, whole and entire, is therefore willed by God.

Clare73 · Jul 25, 2021

fide said:
Your post #54 was so close to the [Catholic] old 1891 Baltimore Catechism:

CATECHISM No. 1 LESSON FIRST: ON THE END OF MAN
1. Q. Who made the world?
A. God made the world.
2. Q. Who is God?
A. God is the Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things.
3. Q. What is man?
A. Man is a creature composed of body and soul, and made to the image and likeness of God.
6. Q. Why did God make you?
A. God made me to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with Him for ever in heaven.
9. Q. What must we do to save our souls?
A. To save our souls, we must worship God by faith, hope, and charity; that is, we must believe in Him, hope in Him, and love Him with all our heart.

The Truth does not change, not in time and not by sophistication. It is simple, no matter how complicated we can get!

That would be what I was quoting, from Catholics.

But there is no gospel in it.

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