"just a matter of time" before unvaccinated get virus

Maria Billingsley · Jul 24, 2021

The Barbarian said:
If I were you, I'd discuss this with an immunologist. You could be predisposed to such reactions. One thing that you might consider is:

“To date, no cases of GBS have been reported following vaccination in participants in the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials.
https://vaxopedia.org/2021/07/21/do-covid-vaccines-cause-guillain-barre-syndrome/

mRNA vaccines work somewhat differently than other vaccines and this could be a safety factor for you. But check with a doctor.

Thanks !

Brian Mcnamee · Jul 24, 2021

mama2one said:
‘Either you get vaccinated or you are going to get COVID-19’: Health experts address problem of vaccine hesitancy in Ohio[/QUOT

In a court of law you have both side present all the evidence you can it is not like a debate where you get equal time. On this issue if you cannot articulate the case for not taking vaccines it is because you have only heard from one side. Many people both vaxed nad unvaxed by the way have already had it and have now natural immunity. There is no need for a vaccine when safe effective treatment is available. Look up Doctor Simone Gold and a group called front line doctors. We need to get these people to do a back and forth with Fauci and WHO folks who are running the show.

The Barbarian · Jul 24, 2021

myst33 said:
Or, thanks to vaccinated people, all new variants will be more and more dangerous, trying to get through the vaccinated immunity.

No. It is true that the virus will mutate whenever it replicates. But of course, vaccinated people will prevent the virus from replicating, or cause it to replicate at a very much lower rate. And that will indeed reduce the number of resistant variants evolving.

LeafByNiggle · Jul 24, 2021

myst33 said:
Or, thanks to vaccinated people, all new variants will be more and more dangerous, trying to get through the vaccinated immunity.

This is a misapplication of the (true) principle that the overuse of antibiotics promotes the development of drug-resistant pathogens. The situation with vaccines is very different.

The delta variant, for example, is not more successful because it evades the vaccine (which is doesn't do) but because it is more transmissible. It out-competes the earlier variants in anyone it can infect. That includes mostly the unvaccinated, but also to a lesser degree, the vaccinated. As long as there are people available to be infected, the pressure for variants to evolve will remain. Having more people vaccinated sooner rather than later reduces the opportunities for reproduction of the virus, and hence evolution. Leaving people unvaccinated will not stop the evolution of more deadly variants. It will only make it worse.

The Barbarian · Jul 24, 2021

LeafByNiggle said:
Having more people vaccinated sooner rather than later reduces the opportunities for reproduction of the virus, and hence evolution. Leaving people unvaccinated will not stop the evolution of more deadly variants. It will only make it worse.

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dqhall · Jul 24, 2021

The Barbarian said:
I'm figuring it will be pretty much like influenza. New vaccine every year, even though the old immunizations will offer more or less immunity to the new strains.

"Simply, who wants to drive sober, let him drive sober. Who does not want, it's his own risk."

Not quite.

Thanks to all those who didn't get vaccinated, and provided an incubator for new strains, the Delta variant is now striking down younger people.

Most of the younger do not die of it. I was doing business with a real estate settlement attorney’s office where two of three paralegals working in the same office were out sick for two weeks. They had a back log of unfinished HUD statements with closing dates approaching. These were younger health individuals knocked out by a tiny virus.

Besides deaths and hospitalizations some of the younger will face, especially the obese, time out of work is not profitable for businesses or government.

We need to eliminate infections, not make people sick.

A_Thinker · Jul 24, 2021

myst33 said:
Or, thanks to vaccinated people, all new variants will be more and more dangerous, trying to get through the vaccinated immunity.

The virus will be a threat as long as anyone in the civilized (i.e. accessible) world remains unvaccinated ... or until areas reach herd immunity.

As long as the virus can replicate, it can mutate into a new threat.

Consequently, work must continue on vaccines and treatments ...

A_Thinker · Jul 24, 2021

Maria Billingsley said:
I am by no means an anti- vaxer! However I am scared to get it. I already had Covid twice, the second being very mild. I know this does not matter however everytime I am ready to do it something comes up like Guillion Barre Syndrom (the JJ was my first choice) , my sister got this disease in the 70's from the Swine flu vaccination. Anyway, on to Phizer with Bells Palsy warning, my daughter contracted it , she claims it came from a vaccination. So now I am heading toward Moderna. How fortunate that I can choose ! Unfortunately, I'm still nervous about it. My little hesitation story . Be blessed.

If you've had COVID, you're protected to an extent.

You've got a minute to figure out which vaccine is the best bet for you ...

anna ~ grace · Jul 24, 2021

mama2one said:
‘Either you get vaccinated or you are going to get COVID-19’: Health experts address problem of vaccine hesitancy in Ohio

The vaccinated are also getting the virus. It’s one part social-control experiment, one part placebo, one part science.

mama2one · Jul 24, 2021

Maria Billingsley said:
Unfortunately, I'm still nervous about it. My little hesitation story .

there was no one more scared than me to get vaccine since I have no energy to fight anything i.e. side effects

however, when heard delta variant was coming, asked husband to take me

that day, I was coming up with excuses not to go!

husband said "you're just making up excuses, let's go."
so I did

we ALL still wear masks, go out in evening to stores when less busy, and stay distanced
sometimes we're stared at for wearing masks as most are NOT wearing them now

The Barbarian · Jul 24, 2021

A_Thinker said:
If you've had COVID, you're protected to an extent.

You've got a minute to figure out which vaccine is the best bet for you ...

My daughter in Iowa had it; she was, afterwards donating antibodies. Then she stopped making antibodies. At least for the previous variant, immunity didn't last.
Fortunately, she's now vaccinated.

LeafByNiggle · Jul 24, 2021

mama2one said:
we ALL still wear masks, go out in evening to stores when less busy, and stay distanced
sometimes we're stared at for wearing masks as most are NOT wearing them now

My wife and I were vaccinated months ago, but I still wear a mask in stores (and I go shopping at 5:30 AM when it is really not busy - but that's mostly because I am an early riser and not because I think it is necessary). In Minnesota where I am about 5% if the customers and a few of the staff wear masks. And because this is Minnesota, nobody stares at you for wearing a mask - even if you are the only one. That's called "Minnesota Nice."

The Barbarian · Jul 24, 2021

anna ~ grace said:
The vaccinated are also getting the virus.

The U.S. is experiencing a rise in COVID-19 cases and deaths. The highly transmissible delta variant of the coronavirus among unvaccinated people is largely responsible for the outbreak.

Four states with low vaccination rates were responsible for 40% of last week’s new cases, but cases have risen in all 50 states, officials say.

Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Friday that last week the U.S. had a daily average of 26,000 new cases. She said the outbreak has become “a pandemic of the unvaccinated.” Later Friday, U.S. President Joe Biden repeated Walensky’s assessment, saying, “The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated.”

The data show that about 77-88 people who were vaccinated, died of COVID-19. About one in 1.8 million vaccinated people. The vaccination will give you pretty good immunity to getting the virus, but it provides exceptionally good protection against serious symptoms or death.

The Barbarian · Jul 24, 2021

LeafByNiggle said:
That's called "Minnesota Nice."

I miss that. Midwestern values, really.

RDKirk · Jul 24, 2021

The Barbarian said:
My daughter in Iowa had it; she was, afterwards donating antibodies. Then she stopped making antibodies. At least for the previous variant, immunity didn't last.
Fortunately, she's now vaccinated.

The mRNA vaccine causes the body to produce antibodies that are less specific than the body would normally produce. Antibodies produced normally are extremely specific to the characteristics of the original virus that triggered them. Those created through the mRNA vaccine are targeted specifically for the spikes, not all other characteristics.

The vaccine-initiated antibodies can be defeated by mutations of the spikes, which would be a much smaller proportion of possible mutations.

But this is also what brings into consideration of covid-19 as an escaped "gain of function" study at Wuhan, because it seems so particularly good at mutating the specific characteristic that mRNA vaccines target. I could be wrong, though, because I don't know how many "failed" mutations are out there compared to the variants that we are told about only because they're successful. But I would not put it past the Chinese scientists to have been running "gain of function" experiments that they kept secret from their international collaborators. I also don't put it past the Chinese to have been loose with their safety systems.

Carter B · Jul 24, 2021

A_Thinker said:
If you've had COVID, you're protected to an extent.

You've got a minute to figure out which vaccine is the best bet for you ...

You projected. You didn't answer the question.
You don't value truth. t's your ego.

A_Thinker · Jul 24, 2021

Carter B said:
You projected. You didn't answer the question.
You don't value truth. t's your ego.

In what way did I project ?

I, actually, wasn't answering a question. I was offering my thoughts on a fellow poster's dilemma concerning the COVID vaccine.

How could you possibly know that I don't value truth ? And doesn't it concern you that you are accusing me in your response ? Do you think that God looks favorably upon those who accuse their brethren without justification ?

And exactly what do you think that you know about my ego ?

loveofourlord · Jul 25, 2021

myst33 said:
CDC says 5,800 fully vaccinated people caught Covid-19 anyway - CNN

... and this number is from April.

Right....and on that day when 40k people were infected. So 4k over 4-6 months, vs 40k a day?

The Barbarian · Jul 25, 2021

myst33 said: ↑
CDC says 5,800 fully vaccinated people caught Covid-19 anyway - CNN

... and this number is from April.

And here's the important part:

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization.

About 158,000,000 vaccinated fully. About one in vaccinated person in 2,100,000 died anyway. If that seems unacceptable to you, remember, that it's over 10,000 times safer than traveling by automobile.

mama2one · Jul 30, 2021

another new variant in U.S.

New Colombian COVID-19 variant spreading in the US

“For the second week in a row, one in five of all cases [is] occurring in Florida alone — and within communities, these cases are primarily among unvaccinated people,”

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