64% of COVID Delta Variant Deaths Had Received 1 or 2 Vaccination Doses

tall73 · Jul 23, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
As opposed to 26,000 deaths among unvaccinated people.

Louisiana isn't doing great on vaccination, but about 36% of the population is fully vaccinated, but they make up only 2% of COVID deaths.

Compared to 18,000 deaths among unvaccinated people.

Roughly half the US population is vaccinated. If vaccination was ineffective, you would expect half of COVID deaths to be among the vaccinated. This is not the case. The data above show that vaccines are doing their job, reducing risk of death by an enormous amount.

I did not state vaccination was ineffective. I posted stats on breakthrough cases, including the portion you bolded regarding how they are still working as intended.

It is still news, and something officials have to deal with, that breakthrough cases and deaths are ramping up again.

Perhaps this time they should urge N95 masks. Even states with mask mandates spiked in cases in the last wave.

Fr. Appletree · Jul 23, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Like what 82% chance of miscarriage?

Online blogs and social media posts claim...

Please provide the data sets for 1st trimester miscarriages then.

GOD Shines Forth! · Jul 23, 2021

FireDragon76 said:
…a 2,000 year old book written by anonymous authors with poorly-cited or non-existant sources…

Okay, where’s your several thousand (not just two) year old book, written by many known (not all "anonymous") authors?

variant · Jul 23, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
How date you assume science is hate.

Feel free to be offended at my assessment of your conduct.

Fr. Appletree · Jul 23, 2021

variant said:
Feel free to be offended at my assessment of your conduct.

I'm not offended in the way you are offended of science.

essentialsaltes · Jul 23, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
Please provide the data sets for 1st trimester miscarriages then.

If you click the link, the preliminary data is there. An updated study is expected.

the total number of women who had their vaccine in the first or second trimester (1,714 and 1,019, respectively). [it looks like the article read those wrong. It should be 1132 and 1714.]

In the preliminary data, 104 miscarriages were reported (from all pregnant women, not just those who received vaccine in the first trimester). Even if all of those were vaccinated in the first trimester, the rate would be well under 10%.

However, the above data is preliminary, and not all of the pregnancies had... completed. So that's why updated data is forthcoming.

Experts are analyzing the most recent v-safe Pregnancy Registry data and will soon publish a new report on those who were pregnant and received their COVID-19 vaccine in the first trimester, the CDC spokesperson said.

variant · Jul 23, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
I'm not offended in the way you are offended of science.

I'm not offended, I am just noting the purpose you made the observations you did.

Fr. Appletree · Jul 23, 2021

variant said:
I'm not offended, I am just noting the purpose you made the observations you did.

So, you have magical telepathetic powers to divine my purposes? Are these the same magix powers you use to divine that science is hate?

variant · Jul 23, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
So, you have magical telepathetic powers to divine my purposes? Are these the same magix powers you use to divine that science is hate?

Yes I can sus out the intention of someone randomly bringing homosexuality into an unrelated discussion in order to quote some negative quality about it.

There is nothing magical about recognizing the obvious.

Fr. Appletree · Jul 23, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
If you click the link, the preliminary data is there. An updated study is expected.

the total number of women who had their vaccine in the first or second trimester (1,714 and 1,019, respectively).

In the preliminary data, 104 miscarriages were reported (from all pregnant women, not just those who received vaccine in the first trimester). Even if all of those were vaccinated in the first trimester, the rate would be well under 10%.

However, the above data is preliminary, and not all of the pregnancies had... completed. So that's why updated data is forthcoming.

Experts are analyzing the most recent v-safe Pregnancy Registry data and will soon publish a new report on those who were pregnant and received their COVID-19 vaccine in the first trimester, the CDC spokesperson said.

Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons

Fr. Appletree · Jul 23, 2021

variant said:
Yes I can sus out the intention of someone randomly bringing homosexuality into an unrelated discussion in order to quote some negative quality about it.

There is nothing magical about recognizing the obvious.

Thank you for your defamation.

variant · Jul 23, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
Thank you for your defamation.

Consider it a well deserved gift for your lack of subtlety. Consider my advise to grind your axes elsewhere and not derail serious discussions.

essentialsaltes · Jul 23, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons

Right, the data the article I linked to is talking about is in Table 4:

Spontaneous abortion: <20 wk15-17 10–26 104/827 (12.6)‡

There's the 104 miscarriages. And the reported rate is 12.6%, well within the "published incidence" of miscarriages under ordinary circumstances: 10%-26%

Which is one of the reasons why the study concludes: "Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines."

Fr. Appletree · Jul 23, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Right, the data the article I linked to is talking about is in Table 4:

Spontaneous abortion: <20 wk15-17 10–26 104/827 (12.6)‡

There's the 104 miscarriages. And the reported rate is 12.6%, well within the "published incidence" of miscarriages under ordinary circumstances: 10%-26%

Which is one of the reasons why the study concludes: "Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines."

“total of 700 participants (84.6) received their first eligible dose in the third trimester“,

“total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation”.

essentialsaltes · Jul 23, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
“total of 700 participants (84.6) received their first eligible dose in the third trimester“,

“total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation”.

OK, so 96 miscarriages in the first trimester out of 1,132 [Table 3] pregnant women vaccinated in the first trimester.

(See... the women might get vaccinated in the first trimester, but miscarry in the second or third, which is why I was willing to spot you the whole 104. But that still doesn't get to 10%. Presumably the final data will be a little higher as all of the pregnancies finally come to term. More could miscarry, but no one can un-miscarry. But it would have to triple for it to fall out of the expected baseline range. And as we can see, most miscarriages happen early in pregnancy, so that doesn't seem very likely at all.)

Fr. Appletree · Jul 23, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
OK, so 96 miscarriages in the first trimester out of 1,132 [Table 3] pregnant women vaccinated in the first trimester.

(See... the women might get vaccinated in the first trimester, but miscarry in the second or third, which is why I was willing to spot you the whole 104. But that still doesn't get to 10%. Presumably the final data will be a little higher as all of the pregnancies finally come to term. More could miscarry, but no one can un-miscarry. But it would have to triple for it to fall out of the expected baseline range. And as we can see, most miscarriages happen early in pregnancy, so that doesn't seem very likely at all.)

Table 3 is about age of participants and nowhere includes the number you give. See attached the exact context which shows that you aren't even reading the study.

essentialsaltes · Jul 23, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
Table 3 is about age of participants and nowhere includes the number you give.

From Table 3

Timing of first eligible dose
Periconception: within 30 days before last menstrual period 55 (2.6) 37 (2.0) 92 (2.3)
First trimester: <14 wk 615 (28.8) 517 (28.4) 1132 (28.6)
Second trimester: ≥14 and <28 wk 932 (43.6) 782 (42.9) 1714 (43.3)
Third trimester: ≥28 wk 533 (25.0) 486 (26.7) 1019 (25.7)

How are you calculating your 82%, because obviously it's not in the study, which concludes (with the caveat that the women should (and will be) followed over the entire course of their pregnancies) the vaccine appears safe for pregnant women.

GOD Shines Forth! · Jul 23, 2021

variant said:
Yes I can sus out the intention of someone randomly bringing homosexuality into an unrelated discussion in order to quote some negative quality about it.

There is nothing magical about recognizing the obvious.

I understand his point and assume you do as well (though you don’t like it):

"Facts" are inconsistently appealed to/denied to suit one's tastes. "Science" is legalistic down to the gnat's eyelash in one area and "We don’t know nuthin'" in another.

Phony and self-serving, a topic-independent problem.

Fr. Appletree · Jul 23, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
From Table 3

Timing of first eligible dose
Periconception: within 30 days before last menstrual period 55 (2.6) 37 (2.0) 92 (2.3)
First trimester: <14 wk 615 (28.8) 517 (28.4) 1132 (28.6)
Second trimester: ≥14 and <28 wk 932 (43.6) 782 (42.9) 1714 (43.3)
Third trimester: ≥28 wk 533 (25.0) 486 (26.7) 1019 (25.7)

How are you calculating your 82%, because obviously it's not in the study, which concludes (with the caveat that the women should (and will be) followed over the entire course of their pregnancies) the vaccine appears safe for pregnant women.

Where in table 3 is that?

Fr. Appletree · Jul 23, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
Table 3 is about age of participants and nowhere includes the number you give. See attached the exact context which shows that you aren't even reading the study.
View attachment 302870

827 completed pregnancies.
712 of those received first doses in third trimester.
= 115 completed pregnancies received doses in 1st or second trimester.

Across all completed pregnancies, 104 suffered spontaneous abortion. 96 of those were in the first 13 weeks.

It's in the image of the study I shared.

64% of COVID Delta Variant Deaths Had Received 1 or 2 Vaccination Doses

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