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Don’t get me wrong rjs, I don’t doubt some aspects of crt and how it’s presented are over the top, maybe even racist, but let’s not throw the baby out with the dish water.

Your approach just doesn’t seem helpful as it comes across as superficial and hyperbolic. It’s not as black and white (pardon the pun) as you paint it.

Please don't fall for that. I mean, sure, maybe some proponents of CRT have said things some would find over the top. But, first, that's true of any framework, certainly to include religious and spiritual ones. Second, as far as I can tell, rsj330 hasn't presented an ACTUAL example of critical race theory.

Love it/hate it/feel "meh" about it, the article on how children learn about race has NOTHING TO DO WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY. rsj330 wrote this:

"The national PTA is in on this nonsense. They have even started going after children.

'Your 5-Year Old Is Already Racially Biased' and article they wanted people to read. How disgusting."

Clearly, he brought it up as an example of CRT and how CRT is "going after children." As you pointed out, the article does no such thing. You didn't point out that the article has ZIPPO to do with CRT.

Love it/hate it/feel "meh" about it,, the "Yes, All White People Are Racist article has NOTHING TO DO WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY.

Not every author who thinks our serious racial equity challenges didn't end with the Civil Rights Movement is a CRT person, any more than everyone who thinks Republicans have the better governing philosophy is a Trump supporter.

I don't know what's motivating rjs330. I suspect that he has fallen for the "straw man" built by the conservative activists who deliberately and cynically set all this in motion. But if lots of people mistakenly think any and every bit of writing about race can be taken to represent CRT, then of course CRT becomes easy to condemn, especially since few people have read any articles by actual CRT scholars.

More importantly, believing that CRT is anything and everything critics claim makes it easier to undercut the very modest efforts made in some schools and workplaces to further bend the moral arc of the universe toward racial justice. Which is the agenda - an incredibly cynical, divisive, and destructive one.

The CRT critics are horrified! Are they as horrified by the fact that white men with prison records are more likely to be offered jobs than black men without records? Are they horrified by the fact that predatory housing loans target black and brown people? Does the reality that people of color were/are more likely to get COVID partly because they live in testing deserts make them queasy? How about the fact that far less funding supports the education of Black, Brown, and Native children compared to White kids?

When they're remotely as horrified by those realities, which affect FAR more lives FAR more consequentially than *actual* CRT scholarship does, I, for one, will be happy to break bread.
 
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Please don't fall for that. I mean, sure, maybe some proponents of CRT have said things some would find over the top. But, first, that's true of any framework, certainly to include religious and spiritual ones. Second, as far as I can tell, rsj330 hasn't presented an ACTUAL example of critical race theory.

Love it/hate it/feel "meh" about it, the article on how children learn about race has NOTHING TO DO WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY. rsj330 wrote this:

"The national PTA is in on this nonsense. They have even started going after children.

'Your 5-Year Old Is Already Racially Biased' and article they wanted people to read. How disgusting."

Clearly, he brought it up as an example of CRT and how CRT is "going after children." As you pointed out, the article does no such thing. You didn't point out that the article has ZIPPO to do with CRT.

Love it/hate it/feel "meh" about it,, the "Yes, All White People Are Racist article has NOTHING TO DO WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY.

Not every author who thinks our serious racial equity challenges didn't end with the Civil Rights Movement is a CRT person, any more than anyone who thinks Republicans have the better governing phillosophy is a Trump supporter. I don't know what's motivating rjs330. I suspect that he has fallen for the "straw man" built by the conservative activists who deliberately and cynically set all this in motion. But if lots of people mistakenly think any and every bit of writing about race can be taken to represent CRT, then CRT becomes easy to condemn. More importantly, any and every bit of work done in our schools, our workplaces, etc., to further bend the moral arc of the universe toward [racial] justice becomes suspect because it's "CRT." That's the agenda. And it's an incredibly cynical and divisive one.
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Please don't fall for that. I mean, sure, maybe some proponents of CRT have said things some would find over the top. But, first, that's true of any framework, certainly to include religious and spiritual ones. Second, as far as I can tell, rsj330 hasn't presented an ACTUAL example of critical race theory.

Love it/hate it/feel "meh" about it, the article on how children learn about race has NOTHING TO DO WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY. rsj330 wrote this:

"The national PTA is in on this nonsense. They have even started going after children.

'Your 5-Year Old Is Already Racially Biased' and article they wanted people to read. How disgusting."

Clearly, he brought it up as an example of CRT and how CRT is "going after children." As you pointed out, the article does no such thing. You didn't point out that the article has ZIPPO to do with CRT.

Love it/hate it/feel "meh" about it,, the "Yes, All White People Are Racist article has NOTHING TO DO WITH CRITICAL RACE THEORY.

Not every author who thinks our serious racial equity challenges didn't end with the Civil Rights Movement is a CRT person, any more than everyone who thinks Republicans have the better governing philosophy is a Trump supporter.

I don't know what's motivating rjs330. I suspect that he has fallen for the "straw man" built by the conservative activists who deliberately and cynically set all this in motion. But if lots of people mistakenly think any and every bit of writing about race can be taken to represent CRT, then of course CRT becomes easy to condemn, especially since few people have read any articles by self-proclaimed CRT scholars.

More importantly, believing that CRT is anything and everything critics claim makes it easier to undercut the very modest efforts made in some schools and workplaces to further bend the moral arc of the universe toward racial justice. Which is the agenda - an incredibly cynical, divisive, and destructive one.

The CRT critics are horrified! Are they as horrified by the fact that white men with prison records are more likely to be offered jobs than black men without records? Are they horrified by the fact that predatory housing loans target black and brown people? Does the reality that people of color were/are more likely to get COVID partly because they live in testing deserts make them queasy? How about the fact that far less funding supports the education of Black, Brown, and Native children compared to White kids?

When they're remotely as horrified by those realities, which affect FAR more lives FAR more consequentially than *actual* CRT scholarship does, I, for one, will be happy to break bread.

Oh, I completely agree. I was offering an olive branch in the hopes of a more meaningful discussion.

Ever the optimist!
 
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I'm not really sure what you are looking for. I mean I've posted videos of parents whose kids have been taught CRT in the schools.

Some examples of critical race theory in schools

I've provided links to what CRT teaches in general. So I have no idea what you guys are talking about when you say there isn't anything on CRT. :scratch:


Angela Onwuachi-Willig, dean of Boston University School of Law and an expert on critical race theory.

“Racism is not extraordinary,” she continued. “Race and racism are basically baked into everything we do in our society. It’s embedded in our institutions. It’s embedded in our minds and hearts".

What is critical race theory, President Trump’s latest political target? - The Boston Globe

It's imbedded in our minds and hearts? Really? What nonsense!

According to Ibram X. Kendi, author of How To Be an Anti-Racist, there is no such thing as “not racist”—only “racist” and “antiracist.” Teaching students to be colorblind is “racist.” Teaching students to see the world through a racialist lens is “antiracist.” Policies that treat people equally regardless of race can be “racist,” because, according to Kendi, “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination.”

Smashing “Whiteness” in the Classroom | City Journal

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I'm not really sure what you are looking for. I mean I've posted videos of parents whose kids have been taught CRT in the schools.

Some examples of critical race theory in schools

I've provided links to what CRT teaches in general.
Let's take a look at one of these examples:

At the Grace Church High School in New York City, students are asked to stop referring to their parents as "mom and dad."

"While we recognize hateful language that promotes racism, misogyny, homophobia, and other forms of discrimination are already addressed in our school handbooks, we also recognize that we can do more than ban hateful language; we can use language to create welcoming and inclusive spaces," a memo from the school read.
Grace Church High School, which has a tuition of around $53,000 a year, defended its guidance.

"We have been trying to help families find the right words for years and this was designed as an aid to that process," the school's headmaster George Davison said.



While I agree that the sentiment may be true but the message a bit much, I just want to point out that this "example" has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

So I have no idea what you guys are talking about when you say there isn't anything on CRT. :scratch:

That's probably not something you want to boast about.
 
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I'm not really sure what you are looking for. I mean I've posted videos of parents whose kids have been taught CRT in the schools.

Some examples of critical race theory in schools

example 1 from your link: "a fifth-grade social studies lesson in Philadelphia that asked students to celebrate the "black communist" Angela Davis. Students were asked to act out "free Angela Davis" rallies, demanding that the government release the Black Panther imprisoned on charges of murder, conspiracy, and kidnapping."

except the lesson was on how protests have affected actual change. One of the examples was of Angela Davis who was imprisoned without a trial for months and was refused to file appeals to have her case tried in court. The protest eventually forced the trial where it cam out that there was no evidence of Davis committing any of the crimes she was accused of. She was promptly acquitted.

this is not CRT.

It is interesting how the Washington Examiner is demonstrating the very sort of racism that CRT says ins the main problem in this country.

Example 2: in Buffalo, New York, announced a new curriculum for fifth-grade students last July centered on Black Lives Matter. The lessons include learning the Black Lives Matter "declaration on Black Villages." One of the core tenants of Black Lives Matter had long been rebuking the "Western-prescribed nuclear family structure." After much criticism, the organization took that goal off its website.

Two points, first off BLM has not long been rebuking the nuclear family structure, that is a lie put out by what i have to assume are racists.
Second "black villages" is a historical. They were segregated black municipalities and as far as i can tell BLM has no position on these historical places.


Example 3: At the Shipley School in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, a private primary school that can run upward of $40,000 a year in tuition, parents are asked to "decenter whiteness at home and in [their] family."
What is amazing here is that this is fundamentally the opposite of CRT

Example 4:
A black mother filed a lawsuit against a Las Vegas charter school earlier this year over a course that mandated seniors list elements of their identity that would be regarded as privileged. “William Clark was compelled to participate in public professions of his racial, religious, sexual, and gender identities, and would be labeled as an 'oppressor' on these bases,”.
Except that wasn't the lesson and wasn't true at all.
 
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I'm not really sure what you are looking for. I mean I've posted videos of parents whose kids have been taught CRT in the schools.

Some examples of critical race theory in schools

I've provided links to what CRT teaches in general. So I have no idea what you guys are talking about when you say there isn't anything on CRT. :scratch:

You are proving my point. You, personally, have no idea what CRT is independent of what people like Washington Examiner Joseph Simonson tell you it is. And Simonson is either ignorant or disingenuous.

Example 1. Whatever you feel about asking kids to support Angela Davis, that request has nothing to do with CRT. Feel free to explain how it does. "Children for Communism." :doh:

Example 2. CRT as an approach, a mode of analysis, does NOT promote "disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure." This is nonsense. A CRT approach might make an argument about the legal and structural factors that account for the difference between the share of "nuclear" families among Black and White families overall. But that's a very different thing.

Example 3. This is no more aligned with CRT than it is with culturally relevant pedagogy or any number of other race-conscious approaches.

Example 4. HURRAY! Finally, an example that actually relates, however loosely, to a core tenet of CRT - the importance of identity and the need to examine how legal systems and policies *privilege* some identities and disadvantage others. That CRT mandates that we go around telling kids that they're oppressors is absurd (and, honestly, I doubt the school did that, but I don't know the case). The last paragraph has nothing to do with CRT.

Example 5. This is just embarrassing. If CRT were the hugely influential bogeyman a lot of conservatives are pretending it is, and if eliminating "mom and dad" had anything to do w/it, surely we'd be beating back a tsunami of anti-"mom-and-dad" sentiment. But, ahhhhh..... no.

As for your regarding as nonsense the notion that “racism is not extraordinary” and is "embedded in our institutions... our minds and hearts"... well, you really ought to set down your hostility long enough to learn something about these ideas.
 
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example 1 from your link: "a fifth-grade social studies lesson in Philadelphia that asked students to celebrate the "black communist" Angela Davis. Students were asked to act out "free Angela Davis" rallies, demanding that the government release the Black Panther imprisoned on charges of murder, conspiracy, and kidnapping."

except the lesson was on how protests have affected actual change. One of the examples was of Angela Davis who was imprisoned without a trial for months and was refused to file appeals to have her case tried in court. The protest eventually forced the trial where it cam out that there was no evidence of Davis committing any of the crimes she was accused of. She was promptly acquitted.

this is not CRT.

It is interesting how the Washington Examiner is demonstrating the very sort of racism that CRT says ins the main problem in this country.

Example 2: in Buffalo, New York, announced a new curriculum for fifth-grade students last July centered on Black Lives Matter. The lessons include learning the Black Lives Matter "declaration on Black Villages." One of the core tenants of Black Lives Matter had long been rebuking the "Western-prescribed nuclear family structure." After much criticism, the organization took that goal off its website.

Two points, first off BLM has not long been rebuking the nuclear family structure, that is a lie put out by what i have to assume are racists.
Second "black villages" is a historical. They were segregated black municipalities and as far as i can tell BLM has no position on these historical places.


Example 3: At the Shipley School in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, a private primary school that can run upward of $40,000 a year in tuition, parents are asked to "decenter whiteness at home and in [their] family."
What is amazing here is that this is fundamentally the opposite of CRT

Example 4:
A black mother filed a lawsuit against a Las Vegas charter school earlier this year over a course that mandated seniors list elements of their identity that would be regarded as privileged. “William Clark was compelled to participate in public professions of his racial, religious, sexual, and gender identities, and would be labeled as an 'oppressor' on these bases,”.
Except that wasn't the lesson and wasn't true at all.
Angela Davis was a black communist. The children were asked to "act out" on her behalf. Highly inappropriate for schools. Angela Davis purchased the weapons involves in the crimes. Yes she was aquitted, but questions remain as CA law could tie her to the crimes even though she didn't actually commit them. She is not a figure that should be held up as honorable to defend by any means.

Jury isn’t out on Angela Davis

Opinion | Sorry, Angela Davis Is No One’s Human Rights Hero

So they took it off their Website. Does that mean they don't believe it anymore? Have they renounced it somewhere?

Since you assume the information is put out by racists, I guess we can fully place you in the CRT camp that white people are racist because we disagree with BLM tenents.

Example 3 is exactly what CRY teaches. That white people are racists. It's just that sometime it's harder to locate. This is part and parcel of CRT.
This, it insists, is everywhere, ordinary, permanent, and mostly (and badly) hidden, a kind of racism that is just beneath the surface (see also, code, mask, internalized dominance, internalized oppression, and internalized racism). Indeed, it tends to proceed from Derrick Bell’s assumption that racism has a permanence to it (or, sometimes, is permanent) and thus is not overcome and does not end but instead changes forms to something more subtle and harder to find.

Getting rid of your whiteness is part tof that.

Example 4: Clarks suit did indeed indicate he did have to do those things. The schools position was he didn't have to do it in front of the class. But Clark's attorney said it didn't matter cause he had to disclose his information to the teacher. Bottom line the school relented. So the story really is true about what CRT is doing to our schools.

CRT is still a terrible ideology.
 
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CRT is still a terrible ideology.

Except, it isn't.

It isn't terrible, and it isn't an ideology.

Critical Race Theory is a framework for examining the interaction of race with legal structures and social constructs in the US.

I understand that you dislike CRT and think its terrible - but I suspect that your assessment of CRT isn't a well informed or balanced one based on the merits of the actual theory and familiarity with the body of scholarship. Rather, I think you've created a phantasm in your mind and are railing against CRT in anything that involves race in America, or could cast "white people" in a negative light.
 
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Angela Davis was a black communist. The children were asked to "act out" on her behalf. Highly inappropriate for schools.

Which has what to do with CRT,again?

Angela Davis purchased the weapons involves in the crimes. Yes she was aquitted, but questions remain as CA law could tie her to the crimes even though she didn't actually commit them.

Well, that sounds like an issue we need to address gun laws about...

But it still has nothing to do with CRT.
 
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Except, it isn't.

It isn't terrible, and it isn't an ideology.

Critical Race Theory is a framework for examining the interaction of race with legal structures and social constructs in the US.

I understand that you dislike CRT and think its terrible - but I suspect that your assessment of CRT isn't a well informed or balanced one based on the merits of the actual theory and familiarity with the body of scholarship. Rather, I think you've created a phantasm in your mind and are railing against CRT in anything that involves race in America, or could cast "white people" in a negative light.

Yes it is terrible and I've provided plenty of evidence of that. I've looked at a lot of stuff about CRT cause I didn't know what it was and wanted to be informed. What I've found was the history of CRT is nothing but a rewind of Marxism with the change of class into race. I also discovered how CRT is being used in training and in schools.

It is a terrible theory. Due to the fact that it promotes division and reverse racism. It assigns guilt where none exists. And the left lives the theory because they believe in it. They believe what it teaches is truth. When it's not. All they see is that racism exists, that slavery and Jim Crow existed and everything that African Americans went through is wrong, therefore we must blame white people today for the sins if yesterday and white people are still at their heart racists which they must acknowledge and pay for.

Brandeis assistant dean defends critical race theory: 'All White people are racist'
 
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Recently the Whashington Post came out with an article about being white. Listening to the video I am reminded of a cult like aspect to CRT.

Self flagellation, a life long journey to dive into yourself to root out your racial problems that you really can't over come. Having people around you to challenge you in your racism. Point out all your racist stuff that you didn't even realize you had. You must follow whatever your leader tells you. Sounds very cultist.

It's a total neo-marxist racist ideology.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...496c-02a7-4128-9f4e-0f924df83976_video.html-2
 
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Recently the Whashington Post came out with an article about being white. Listening to the video I am reminded of a cult like aspect to CRT.

Self flagellation, a life long journey to dive into yourself to root out your racial problems that you really can't over come. Having people around you to challenge you in your racism. Point out all your racist stuff that you didn't even realize you had. You must follow whatever your leader tells you. Sounds very cultist.

It's a total neo-marxist racist ideology.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...496c-02a7-4128-9f4e-0f924df83976_video.html-2

To the surprise of nobody, the video was not only interesting and insightful, but more or less the complete opposite of the horrorshow you claimed it was.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention!
 
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Yes it is terrible and I've provided plenty of evidence of that. I've looked at a lot of stuff about CRT cause I didn't know what it was and wanted to be informed.'

Yes, you've read a "lot of stuff" ABOUT critical race theory. Have you read any articles BY critical race theorists? Kimberle Crenshaw? Charles Lawrence? Mari Matsuda? Richard Delgado? Derrick Bell? Etc. I'm not saying you'd support what these folks have to say - judging by what you have to say, you surely wouldn't - but at least you wouldn't be passing on second-hand information (or, more likely, 3rd and 4th-hand information) as if it were a reasonable representation of critical race theory.

Your profile identifies you as Pentacostal. Doesn't Pentacostalism teach about the importance of direct experience?

Should I tell you some of what I've read ABOUT Pentacostalism?
 
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