Smoking is a sin and it will only lead to condemnation.
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And unless he keeps her living in a bubble, when she gets older, she will turn that judgmenatalism/disrespect towards him.
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Beware those who set out to unscrupulously condemn others in order to justify themselves...
And for something that is so very insignificant compared to their own sins, which are right now in this very moment on fully display for all to see, etc...
God Bless!
And for something that is so very insignificant compared to their own sins, which are right now in this very moment on fully display for all to see, etc...
God Bless!
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The context of 1 Cor 6 regarding defiling God's temple is sexual sin and it is quite clear on this. If we hyper analyse the things we put in us then we'll end up concluding everything defiles us but this is simply not so (very clearly in scripture too). I don't smoke myself and I'll encourage others to stop but I refuse to make it an issue of salvation. Moderation and responsibility need to take precedence and certainly abuse needs to be called out but broadly speaking I won't condem it or those who engage in it. If we envoke stumbling block verses then we are calling ourselves weak to which I say get over it and let God deal with the heart.
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While 1 Corinthians 6:18 does focus on fornication only (taken from 1 Corinthians 5 of the man who was committing fornication in the church), Paul does not say that this is the only sin of concern. The very chapter itself talks about other various sins and how they which do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God (See: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
Also, while fornication alone is in view of the only sin done against the body (1 Corinthians 6:18) because one is joining themselves with an harlot (i.e. the two shall become one flesh) the truth expressed in the next two verses that says... “know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's” in 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 still holds true for other sins.
For it is still true universally that...
#1. Our bodies are temples of the Holy Ghost, and we are bought and paid for with a price.
Verse 19 and the beginning of verse 20 is still is true in the fact that our bodies are the temples of the Holy Ghost and we are not our own and we are bought and paid for with a price. This truth does not change when looking at other sins because of the mention of 1 Corinthians 6:18.
How so?
In 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, it says,
“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.” (1 Corinthians 3:16-17).
It mentions how we are the temple of the Spirit of God, and it mentions how we can defile the temple of God, and if we do, God will destroy us.
This was in context to the sins of strife and envy and the sin that caused divisions.
“For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?” (1 Corinthians 3:3).
We see the sins of strife and envy mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21, and it says that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Note: “To not inherit the kingdom” is a loss of salvation because we learn in Matthew 25:31-46 that to inherit the kingdom was to enter God's kingdom by helping the poor which was contrasted with not helping the poor equating with being told to go away into everlasting punishment.
We also learn in 2 Peter 2:1 about how there are false prophets and false teachers who cannot cease from sin (2 Peter 2:14), and they denied the Lord who bought them. So a person can be bought by Christ and yet not be saved on account of them being a false teacher or false prophet or on the account that they teach falsely that one cannot cease from sin (i.e. grievous sin that can destroy our souls in hellfire).
How so?
In 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, it says,
“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.” (1 Corinthians 3:16-17).
It mentions how we are the temple of the Spirit of God, and it mentions how we can defile the temple of God, and if we do, God will destroy us.
This was in context to the sins of strife and envy and the sin that caused divisions.
“For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?” (1 Corinthians 3:3).
We see the sins of strife and envy mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21, and it says that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Note: “To not inherit the kingdom” is a loss of salvation because we learn in Matthew 25:31-46 that to inherit the kingdom was to enter God's kingdom by helping the poor which was contrasted with not helping the poor equating with being told to go away into everlasting punishment.
We also learn in 2 Peter 2:1 about how there are false prophets and false teachers who cannot cease from sin (2 Peter 2:14), and they denied the Lord who bought them. So a person can be bought by Christ and yet not be saved on account of them being a false teacher or false prophet or on the account that they teach falsely that one cannot cease from sin (i.e. grievous sin that can destroy our souls in hellfire).
It is still true universally that we are to...
#2. Therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
The truth in verse 20 that we can glorify God in our body and spirit is not solely for not committing fornication only.
“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 5:16).
We can glorify God by our good works (Which are done in the body) for all to see. We are to shine out the light of Christ unto men by the good works He does through us.
“That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Romans 15:6).
We obviously glorify God with our mouths (Which is a part of our body).
“Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.” (1 Corinthians 10:31).
This final verse above here makes it clear that whatever we do, we can do to the glory of God. Obviously the opposite holds true if we decide to sin in the fact that we can not glorify God if we sin and defile our temple. Obviously smoking is not something you can glorify God with your body because one is destroying their temple by smoking. They are self murdering themselves and in most cases other people. 1 John 3:15 says that no murderer has eternal life abiding in them.
“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 5:16).
We can glorify God by our good works (Which are done in the body) for all to see. We are to shine out the light of Christ unto men by the good works He does through us.
“That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Romans 15:6).
We obviously glorify God with our mouths (Which is a part of our body).
“Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.” (1 Corinthians 10:31).
This final verse above here makes it clear that whatever we do, we can do to the glory of God. Obviously the opposite holds true if we decide to sin in the fact that we can not glorify God if we sin and defile our temple. Obviously smoking is not something you can glorify God with your body because one is destroying their temple by smoking. They are self murdering themselves and in most cases other people. 1 John 3:15 says that no murderer has eternal life abiding in them.
So in conclusion:
While 1 Corinthians 6:18 is dealing soley with fornication alone, the truths expressed in 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 still holds true universally when talking about other sins and or in doing righteousness. For we should not sin (in general) because we are bought and paid for with a price. We should not sin (in general) because we should use our body to glorify God in all things.
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The only serious sin in God's eyes is deliberately, wilfully and consistently rejecting his Son.
So does drinking alcohol, too much coffee, overdoing it at the gym, indulging in dangerous sports like boxing, racing, wrestling, carrying a gun, doing drugs etc etc.
This may be very unwise and lead to a shorter life, but it is not a sin.
No, it may lead to us destroying our health, shortening our lives and being less able to serve God - but it doesn't remove someone's salvation.
That might be true, but unless you are with someone 24/7 and continually blowing smoke in their faces, it probably won't affect them much.
Yes, but there are many other ways in which people might not love their neighbour - gossip, jealousy, covetousness, pride; far more toxic than cigarette smoke.
Smoking may be unwise and a health hazard, in which case, stopping is a very good idea. But it may also be an addiction, and stopping might, not be that easy.
It is not a sin.
God is far more concerned that people reject his Son, who is life, peace, brings hope and comfort - and then take up other activities because they are looking for life, peace, hope etc.
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Clicks 1 Corinthians 6:9 and sees: "Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men"
Seems to be an obvious refence to homosexuality.
The same could be applied to consuming certain foods and beverages - Especially since eating and drinking are specified. Anything the American Heart Association, and or the American Diabetes Association, and or the American Cancer Society says can lead to heart disease, and or diabetes, and or cancer.
I hope that you have a very heathy diet, and exercise regularly, and are not overweight, and avoid prolonged sun exposure etc. Or else, well you know...
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Yes, I have appeared to have jumped the gun on 1 Corinthians 6:9. It does mean homosexuality. But see how that works? I am willing to admit when I am wrong when I compare Scripture with Scripture and look up the meaning behind words and how that appears elsewhere. But I don't think folks here are willing to do the same when they encounter Scripture that refutes their belief that caters to their self indulgence and sin. Most are comfortable with the idea that destroying your bodies with smoking is okay with God, but it is not. It is a lack of love towards one's neighbor and oneself in an extreme way. If you were to heed the stories of the tragedy of the deaths of those who smoke, you would not want to have anything to do with smoking and you would not defend it as being okay with the Lord. The Bible is clear that not loving your brother means you are not of God (1 John 3:10). Clearly one is not loving their brother is they are smoking around them and they are killing themselves to no longer be around to edify and love their brother. My encouragement is for folks to pray about it and to seek the Scriptures. Most just want to defend an indulgence that kills the body. But we are not our own. We are bought and paid for with a price.
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I edited my post #186.
Side Note:
I edited my post #186.
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I've seen you misapply verses many times. Usually it seems the more verses you stack, the less applicable they become. In my opinion (and from what I've read, in the opinion of others), you simply are not a very good Bible teacher.
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I am only going to address this statement to show you that you are in serious error.
Jesus says that looking upon a woman in lust can cause one to be cast bodily into hellfire (See: Matthew 5:28-30).
Jesus says in Matthew 6:15 that if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven by the Father. A person who is not forgiven is not saved. For the Bible ties forgiveness of sins with salvation.
Jesus says that our words can condemn us (See: Matthew 12:37).
Paul says that murder, idolatry, fornication, drunkenness, etc. are the kinds of sins whereby if a person does them, they shall not inherit the Kingdom (See: Galatians 5:19-21).
John says that the person who does not righteousness and does not love his brother is not of God (1 John 3:10).
Obviously a person who is not of God is not saved.
1 John 3:8 says he that commits sin is of the devil.
Paul says if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness he is proud and he knows nothing (See: 1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says God resists the proud and he gives grace to the humble.
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To all:
I am willing to admit when I am wrong when I challenged with Scripture and I see it does not line up with the whole of Scripture. I cannot say the same of many Christians I have encountered doing the same thing. Why? Because most Christians today are trying to justify sin and evil on some level and God cannot agree with sin because He is holy, righteous, and good. The may claim that I am not a good teacher, but the Lord knows the truth of things and what I have done for Him. But even if I were to do great things for the Lord, I would not boast in myself. All glory and praise should be given unto the Lord Jesus Christ because He is the One who does the good work through us.
So let my accusers continue to accuse.
I know on judgment day, the truth will be known.
Anyways, may you all be blessed by the good ways of the Lord.
With loving kindness to you in Christ,
Sincerely,
BL. Highlighter.
I am willing to admit when I am wrong when I challenged with Scripture and I see it does not line up with the whole of Scripture. I cannot say the same of many Christians I have encountered doing the same thing. Why? Because most Christians today are trying to justify sin and evil on some level and God cannot agree with sin because He is holy, righteous, and good. The may claim that I am not a good teacher, but the Lord knows the truth of things and what I have done for Him. But even if I were to do great things for the Lord, I would not boast in myself. All glory and praise should be given unto the Lord Jesus Christ because He is the One who does the good work through us.
So let my accusers continue to accuse.
I know on judgment day, the truth will be known.
Anyways, may you all be blessed by the good ways of the Lord.
With loving kindness to you in Christ,
Sincerely,
BL. Highlighter.
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You seem to receive constant criticism regarding your self-taught method of Biblical interpretation, and your usual response is, that's because you're like Noah vs those washed away in the flood, or it's because you're like Jesus being criticized by the Pharisees. When it's far more probable that mature Christians simply think you're not very good at Bible teaching.
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To all:
I am deeply saddened by the many responses here justifying the sin of smoking as if it was okay with the Lord Jesus. Even unbelievers know of the horrible devastation that smoking causes in their own families. Many who are smokers desire to quit and they know it is bad. But Christians today seem to want to justify it as being okay. There is a judgment coming and the Lord is returning. My encouragement to all here is to not live for the self indulgences of this life that are destructive, but live for our Lord Jesus Christ and His good ways. For we should all be picking up our cross, and denying ourselves, and following Jesus with God's help. This world is not our home.
“For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.” (Hebrews 13:14).
I am deeply saddened by the many responses here justifying the sin of smoking as if it was okay with the Lord Jesus. Even unbelievers know of the horrible devastation that smoking causes in their own families. Many who are smokers desire to quit and they know it is bad. But Christians today seem to want to justify it as being okay. There is a judgment coming and the Lord is returning. My encouragement to all here is to not live for the self indulgences of this life that are destructive, but live for our Lord Jesus Christ and His good ways. For we should all be picking up our cross, and denying ourselves, and following Jesus with God's help. This world is not our home.
“For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.” (Hebrews 13:14).
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My smoking is not harming anyone but me, and you need to re-read my post #101 for your great lack of mercy and/or compassion...
And my mother died of cancer when I was 21 you "whatever you are", etc...
You know nothing of others lives and are a major hypocrite and have absolutely no room to judge...
I have a feeling God is going to have quite a bit to say to you on judgement day, and it may take a very long while to correct your great ignorance (and arrogance), etc...
With every single post/word you say on here you only tighten the noose around your neck more and more, etc, and that is what everyone else is seeing and is trying to correct you on and/or warn you about on here, etc, and is personally why I'm going to pray for you, etc...
God Bless!
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Go cry in a corner for all I care.
But I am going to pray for you, etc.
God Bless!
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@Bible Highlighter
You want to compare sins...?
Oh, wait, nevermind, there really wouldn't be any true comparison...
Will pray for you...
Because you have a lot to learn...
God Bless!
You want to compare sins...?
Oh, wait, nevermind, there really wouldn't be any true comparison...
Will pray for you...
Because you have a lot to learn...
God Bless!
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No, they're just disagreeing with your take on it. Stop blaming others for what's your fault.
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Unless the person repents and asks for help not to do that again, or to keep doing it.
Yes, and refusing and rejecting Jesus and not wanting to be saved is the biggest sin.
Jesus died so that we can be forgiven and reconciled to God. If a person does not accept God's forgiveness they are not saved.
Yes, and?
Is a non Christian condemned by the words they speak or by their rejection of God?
Even someone who does not do them will not enter the kingdom unless they are born again, John 3:3 and enter in through Jesus, John 10:7, John 14:6.
No one can be of God unless they are saved.
Salvation comes first and whoever rejects the Son does not have eternal life, John 3:16, John 3:36, 1 John 5:12.
What I said; salvation comes first and rejecting God's salvation is a serious sin.
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NOW YE NOT THAT YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, AND THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLETH IN YOU? IF ANY MAN DEFILE (or destroys) THE TEMPLE OF GOD, HIM SHALL GOD DESTROY; FOR THE TEMPLE OF GOD IS HOLY, WHICH TEMPLE YE ARE. LET NO MAN DECEIVE HIMSELF- (1 Corinthians 3:16-18)
The same Greek word translated as “defile” has been translated as “destroy“ in the same verse.
Look at 1 Corinthians 3:17 here:
The Greek word φθείρω phtheirō (G5351) is used for defile and for destroy.
This means if we destroy our temples or bodies like with smoking, God will destroy us. This is not just an early death but it is a destruction of one's soul in Gehenna. For Jesus says fear not the one who can destroy the body but fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna (Matthew 10:28).
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