BLM supports authoritarian regime that murders their own people

Tiberius Lee said:

Did Trump achieve any thing by meeting with Kim ? No , he did not.

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That's why I called it an attempt.

The idea of US President meeting with N.K. leader is so bad that Trump’s own National Security Advisor John Bolton didn’t attend the meeting. I rest my case.

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Yeah...no politician is going to make the attempt...it's too risky for one's political career.

TLK Valentine said:

When was the last time you heard someone say that?

No, seriously -- when? Seems to be the sort of thing people only start chanting when they're trying to drown out something else.

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The last time?


Although I doubt that was the last time...just the last time I heard it. As you can see...people freak out so badly, they seem to think it's not ok to be white.

Ana the Ist said:

Fascinating theory.

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I'm sure it would be fascinating if you'd never actually opened a history book and seen the near universal truth of it.

Ana the Ist said:

I think there's better examples like "believe women" during the MeToo era and the chaos it caused. You had a countless number of men who supported it out of fear of being seen as "part of the problem". You can also see it in the BLM slogans of "silence is violence" and "inaction makes you complicit" as well as every mention of being on "the wrong side of history". The implication is the same....join us or we will justify coming after you.

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"I don't own slaves, I just happen to live in a society that revolves around and profits from slavery and don't object to that in any way. How dare you call me pro-slavery!"

Ana the Ist said:

You can see it in the performative activism of sports figures. They fear losing their status as black men the same way Kanye did for talking to Trump. I've spent years in Akron and I don't believe for a moment that Lebron is afraid of the police when he gets pulled over.

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We'll add this to the increasingly long list of things about racial injustice that you don't know much about.

Black NFL players arrested nearly 10 times as often as whites

Kentonio said:

"I don't own slaves, I just happen to live in a society that revolves around and profits from slavery and don't object to that in any way. How dare you call me pro-slavery!"

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In all fairness, many people may be genuinely ignorant about the lingering effects of slavery.

History is full of causalities that many people would never suspect (and our educational system is not very helpful). For example, I was listening to a US history podcast about how President Johnson used the Apollo Program as a tool to fight Jim Crow... didn't know that.

If we can be unaware of the positive relationships in our country's history, it would make sense that we'd miss the negative ones that the powers that be have worked to conceal...

hislegacy said:

First, someone has to completely ignore the vast majority of Americans at the time who fought against slavery.

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This is true thanks to the hilarious technicality that during that war all the traitors in the southern states had temporarily stopped being American. The vast majority of the Union side were indeed fighting against slavery.

hislegacy said:

They never stopped being Americans. Not even in revisionist history.

There were five more points.

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Then they were traitors to their country and should have been hung for treason.

hislegacy said:

Thank you for your opinion from 2021.

It completely differs from the Republican one that led to the North winning and repatriating the South.

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The North showed them grace and the South created an apartheid like state for African-Americans. The South also tried the wash their image in history books, not as supporting the institution of slavery, not as traitors to this nation, but as simple farmers standing up for state’s rights.

Having the leaders hanging from a yard arm in the town square would be better than chiseled from stone and placed on a pedestal.

hislegacy said:

Thank you for your opinion from 2021.

It completely differs from the Republican one that led to the North winning and repatriating the South.

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How the mighty have fallen. History should be a thing to learn from, not cower behind.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

The North showed them grace and the South created an apartheid like state for African-Americans. The South also tried the wash their image in history books, not as supporting the institution of slavery, not as traitors to this nation, but as simple farmers standing up for state’s rights.

Having the leaders hanging from a yard arm in the town square would be better than chiseled from stone and placed on a pedestal.

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And now the Republicans of today want to make it a crime to teach this...

hislegacy said:

They never stopped being Americans. Not even in revisionist history.

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In that case, the 'vast majority' of Americans certainly didn't fight against slavery. If they had, there wouldn't have been a civil war.

hislegacy said:

There were five more points.

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Sure, let's look at a few..

hislegacy said:

Second, someone has to completely ignore the vast majority of wealth that was generated from Northern Industrial state - who did not own slaves and from a financial viewpoint out performed the Southern slave owning states somewhere around 400% in generating wealth.

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The north was profiting greatly from slavery, not least because the products they were creating were being sold to the southerners and paid for with the cotton money.

The idea that the wealth of the North was somehow completely independent of slavery is a complete fiction.

hislegacy said:

Third, No one in modern day America "profits from slavery", simply because slavery has not existed for more than 150 years.

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This is a mistake that far too many people make. If your dad was a bank robber and left you a mansion he purchased with his stolen loot, would you say that you profited from crime?

hislegacy said:

Fourth, someone has to completely ignore the 200 or so exclusively black cities that were founded and in many instances thrived after the civil war.

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Maybe you should have read the whole article you linked, which follows on to talk about how all those cities (villages/towns really) failed, and about the main the reason why they were formed being the exodus of blacks from the South after Reconstruction was stopped.

This also seems like a good place to point out what happened to black communities when they became too successfull.

hislegacy said:

Fifth, someone has to completely ignore the tens of millions of white people who immigrated to the US in the last 150 years, who had even less to do with slavery because THEY WERE NOT HERE.

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No, they often just came from colonial nations who had been transporting those slaves in the first place, or colonizing other countries where the people were then often treated like slaves.

hislegacy said:

Sixth, someone has to completely ignore all the advances people of every race have made in more than a century and a half of working together to right the wrongs of the past.

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This is laughable. Black Americans were treated like cattle for centuries and then after the civil war treated like scum for nearly another century.

hislegacy said:

Seventh, someone has to completely ignore the millions who have stood with blacks in speaking out against racism publicly and privately.

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Maybe if some of you did more of that and spent less time whining about how organizations like Black Lives Matter were horrible and evil, then racial injustice wouldn't still be a problem in 2021.

hislegacy said:

If your dad took a flame thrower to a bus load of bunnies - would you hold any blame?

What if he got paid to do it and you lived in the house he paid for?

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Then yes, you would be living in a house paid for by immoral earnings. Whether that bothered you or not would of course depend on your presence or absence of a conscience.

If your forebearers made a fortune from trafficking in humans, and passed that wealth onto you, then it's up to you whether to care or not. But don't try and claim that's not where the wealth came from.

Kentonio said:

Then yes, you would be living in a house paid for by immoral earnings. Whether that bothered you or not would of course depend on your presence or absence of a conscience.

If your forebearers made a fortune from trafficking in humans, and passed that wealth onto you, then it's up to you whether to care or not. But don't try and claim that's not where the wealth came from.

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Interesting how slavery and "bunnies" were so effortlessly equated in an attempt at justification. Centuries later and they're still dehumanized -- but at least it's a cuter animal than the ape this time...

hislegacy said:

What if my forebearers were not even here? I just happen to be white? (which I am not)

What do you do about it?

I'm seriously interested in your input. This is fascinating.

1. How do you know who would be the ones who are direct decedents of people who were here in the 1800's?

2. What about people who are only partially related to them?

3. Say we can actually target those people - what should they do? Sell their possessions?

You seem to be very passionate about the issue. What do you feel would be a fair and equitable solution - would you sell your home? Take a lower paying job so a person of color could take your?

In real life terms - how would you make reparation's without punishing families that were not even here.

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Who said anything about taking stuff away? All I want is for my fellow white people to admit that a huge amount of the prosperity and inherited wealth we have comes on the back of a lot of oppression, slavery and colonialism. Does that mean a white person can't work hard? No of course it doesn't. Does that mean no white person ever earns what they have? No of course it doesn't. But what it DOES mean is that when you see white people holding a huge amount more wealth than black people on average, there are very strong historical reasons for that. Those reasons contribute to whites continuing to start out in a much better position on average, and often entering life with considerably better opportunities.

That's even without considering the major ongoing racism in society that continues to tilt the balance in favour of whites.

hislegacy said:

Then what? Nothing changes, they just walk away feeling guilty. Sounds counter productive and really not accomplishing anything.

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No, once that is accepted then it's much easier to accept that government measures to help specifically black communities are morally justified and many of the complaints from the black community about economic inequality are indeed valid.

It just requires those on the right to learn that helping one community doesn't mean you're threatening or attacking another.

I'm white and have never held anyone in slavery. But I know I indirectly benefitted from colonialism so if government wants to use part of my taxes to help lift up the opportunities of black communities then they have my wholehearted support. I want to live in a world where we all start with the same opportunities.