Can a doctrine keep you from heaven?

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timothyu

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Do we need the doctrines of man? Jesus came and gave us a clear message. Clean up your acts because God is coming to take away your control of the world and each other. He called it good news folks. Do we need doctrines to divert from what God wants and make it about what's in it for us?

Is there any doctrine which includes the Trinity belief keep you from heaven?

The Kingdom comes to us out of Heaven, nothing about us going to Heaven. As Jesus said... 'Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven'
 
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Is there any doctrine which includes the Trinity belief keep you from heaven?
Can't think of any, but unbelief in the Trinity really diminishes your concept of God, making him too small.
 
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Is there any doctrine which includes the Trinity belief keep you from heaven?

The only sinful doctrine that separates you from the forgiveness of the cross is the belief without proof that YHWH is a liar and a false god motivated only by the evil desire for false worship.

All other sinful blasphemies can be found amongst the sinful believers and can be forgiven which is why they are never condemned though the never believers are condemned already. Whoever only refers to sinners: Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
 
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Do we need the doctrines of man? Jesus came and gave us a clear message. Clean up your acts because God is coming to take away your control of the world and each other. He called it good news folks. Do we need doctrines to divert from what God wants and make it about what's in it for us?
The Kingdom comes to us out of Heaven, nothing about us going to Heaven. As Jesus said... 'Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven'
Are you sure about that?

To be absent from the body is to be present with Christ (Philippians 1:23).

Where will that be, if not in heaven?
 
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Yes and no, but ultimately yes. I believe that if one can have a belief, or knowledge in God that he sent His Son to earth to die for our sins and rose on the third day, but yet still continue to live a sinful lifestyle until the day they die with no repentance in their heart for what they are doing, then the Holy Spirit is not in them and even though they accept that fact of Jesus, they are not truly saved.
 
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Is there any doctrine which includes the Trinity belief keep you from heaven?
A mistaken doctrine can't destroy a person if they are following Christ the way He said we are to do (but could be part of what does help destroy those who don't do as He said!) --

(this is so crucial, I'm going to quote the entire passage)

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”


As earlier in the chapter:

12“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. 13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Matthew 7 ESV
 
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Is there any doctrine which includes the Trinity belief keep you from heaven?
That's a good question IMHO. However, what difference the Trinitarian nature of God makes to you or me would probably deserve a "yes" vote on the poll.
 
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After the resurrection... and in the new world.
Your answer makes no sense, when Paul states that it is better by far to die (depart).

What's better about dying, when to live is Christ, if your spirit isn't going to be immediately with Christ when you die?

Nope. . .Paul said that when he died his spirit would immediately be with Christ (Philippians 1:21-24).
 
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What's better about dying, when to live is Christ , if you aren't going to be immediately with Christ when you die?

Nope. . .Paul said that when he died he would immediately be with Christ
It's the old blink of an eye thing. Whether you've been dead 2000 years or a minute the dead know nothing. To them both death to resurrection is like a blink of the eye. What is your sense of time when unconscious?
 
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It's the old blink of an eye thing. Whether you've been dead 2000 years or a minute the dead know nothing. To them both death to resurrection is like a blink of the eye. What is your sense of time when unconscious?
You are in disagreement with NT authoritative teaching here (Philippians 1:21-24), where Paul, who received his revelation from Jesus Christ, personally, in the third heaven (2 Corinthians 12:1-5), clearly states his death as being with Christ.

The "blink of an eye thing" has nothing to with the eternal life in the intermediate state between death and the resurrection.
The "blink of an eye thing" is about the change to an imperishable (resurrection) body which occurs instantly at the last trumpet call, to the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:52; Matthew 24:31).
 
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Doctrine is core teaching/value of religious belief - in our case, our faith in Christ as Lord and Saviour. So all true doctrine should keep us in grasp of the eternity He bestows upon us as His disciples. It is error that causes us to fall short of that goal and prize. So, the answer to your question would be no. Only error (heresy) can lead us astray of the free gift of eternal life we are awarded in Christ Jesus.

If the question you are asking is: are there false errant doctrines out there and will they keep us out of heaven? The answer is a resounding yes. Yes, they will. The wonderful thing about this though, is that we have God's Word, and God's Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth. So, let us be willing to be guided by Him. Amen.
 
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Can't think of any, but unbelief in the Trinity really diminishes your concept of God, making him too small.
The doctrine of the Trinity only came 100 years after Christ's earthly ministry.

And yet, the first century saints were saved.

The Philippian jailer asked ... "what must I do to be saved ?" Paul answered ... "Believe on the name of Jesus Christ ... and you will be saved."

The thief on the cross said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom." Jesus answered, "Today, you shall be with Me in paradise."

The praying publican said "Lord, have mercy upon me, a sinner." Jesus said that that man went to his home justified."

All that is necessary (from us) for salvation is a desire for relationship with God.

God will enable/gift everything else that is needful ...
 
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Is there any doctrine which includes the Trinity belief keep you from heaven?

:) hello.. I know about the long talk of the "trinity" yet never seen it as a doctrine. Jesus/Yeshua said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to gets to the Father but by through Christ. What gets us to heaven? John 3 16 Rom 10 9-10. Amen and amen
 
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Can't think of any, but unbelief in the Trinity really diminishes your concept of God, making him too small.
Does it really since G-d is infinitely good, etc. The trinity is a relationship tool to describe how G-d act with mankind.
P.S. Doctrine is totally unnecessary. What is more precise than Love G-d and love your neighbour as yourself and don't forget to love your enemies, and judge others as you wish to be judged (Ie. do not judge others, even if they judge you.) The Kingdom of G-d is NOW.
In LOve
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