US Catholic Bishops Respond to Pope Francis' Restrictions on Latin Mass | EWTN News Nightly

eastcoast_bsc · Jul 20, 2021

Church leaders in the US are weighing in on the new restrictions put in place by Pope Francis on the Latin Mass. Archbishop Samuel Aquila says the celebration of the traditional Latin Mass will continue as normal in the Archdiocese of Denver. He added he is studying the new document from Pope Francis, which placed restrictions on the use of the extraordinary form of the Mass. Oklahoma City and San Francisco, along with the Dioceses of Arlington, Virginia and Brownsville, Texas also allowed celebration of the traditional Latin Mass to continue as normal. Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone from the Archdiocese of San Francisco, joins to tell us why he chose to allow Latin Masses to continue in his archdiocese. Archbishop Cordileone shares how often the traditional Latin Mass is celebrated in his archdiocese and how many parishes are involved. Pope Francis said one reason for his decision was the Latin Mass was a source of division. The archbishop responds to this claim. He explains what in the motu proprio document by the Pope, bishops would like clarity on.

Akita Suggagaki · Jul 20, 2021

As long as some believe that the Traditional Latin Mass/Extraordinary Form is better or holier or more pleasing to God than the Novus Ordo there will always be division.

Landon Caeli · Jul 20, 2021

Akita Suggagaki said:
As long as some believe that the Traditional Latin Mass/Extraordinary Form is better or holier or more pleasing to God than the Novus Ordo there will always be division.

I liked it for rare, special occasions.

It was at St. Margaret's in oceanside. So beautiful, and smelled so good.

Saint Margaret Parish

Landon Caeli · Jul 20, 2021

Hopefully I can go one last time.

Gnarwhal · Jul 20, 2021

eastcoast_bsc said:

*Sees my show in a thread...

Landon Caeli said:
Hopefully I can go one last time.

Did your diocese squash it?

eastcoast_bsc · Jul 20, 2021

looks like Boston is keeping the Latin mass.

Yesterday Pope Francis issued the motu propio, Traditionis Custodes, concerning guidelines for the celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass, also known as the Extraordinary Form.

Going forward, the Archdiocese of Boston will consult with the United States Conference of Bishops Committee on Divine Worship and our Archdiocesan Office for Divine Worship as we review the motu propio.

With note that the Holy Father provided the local ordinary exclusive competence for use of the Extraordinary Form in his diocese, Cardinal O'Malley wishes to assure all the faithful of his concern for their spiritual and pastoral needs. In light of the pending consultations he is making no changes to the current practice.

God bless,

Bishop Uglietto

Gnarwhal · Jul 20, 2021

Akita Suggagaki said:
As long as some believe that the Traditional Latin Mass/Extraordinary Form is better or holier or more pleasing to God than the Novus Ordo there will always be division.

The obverse of that is also true though. The novus ordo has zealots as well who dismiss the TLM as archaic, rigid, inaccessible, boring, outdated, snobbish, etc and that's equally divisive.

Akita Suggagaki · Jul 20, 2021

Fenwick said:
The obverse of that is also true though. The novus ordo has zealots as well who dismiss the TLM as archaic, rigid, inaccessible, boring, outdated, snobbish, etc and that's equally divisive.

Novus Ordo zealots are reactionaries to TLM crowd. I see good in both but I think the NO could benefit from a little more of the diligence or care that goes into the exactitude of TLM that might be interpreted as rigid. A rite done right requires focus, even concentration. Too bad some on both sides look down on the other.

Gnarwhal · Jul 20, 2021

Akita Suggagaki said:
Novus Ordo zealots are reactionaries to TLM crowd.

Not entirely. Nobody besides my fiancée and a few close friends know I'm a fan of the TLM and attend one occasionally. And yet I've still run into plenty of unsolicited hostility towards that Mass and traditional-leaning Catholics, it's usually not directed at me personally because they don't know I fall into that camp, but it's nevertheless completely unprovoked potshots that generally try to delegitimize them as Catholics and paint them with broad strokes as ignorant LARPers. Usually these comments come from boomers and "Susan from the parish council" types.

The whole thing felt far more offensive than reactionary.

Akita Suggagaki said:
I see good in both but I think the NO could benefit from a little more of the diligence or care that goes into the exactitude of TLM that might be interpreted as rigid. A rite done right requires focus, even concentration. Too bad some on both sides look down on the other.

I agree with you there. Like @chevyontheriver has often said, a reverent and well-executed Novus Ordo can outshine a lazy or sloppy TLM. It's not a bad Mass, and that's my default on Sundays. When it's done right it's good, the problem is that it's not done "right" at least half the time.

chevyontheriver · Jul 20, 2021

Fenwick said:
I agree with you there. Like @chevyontheriver has often said, a reverent and well-executed Novus Ordo can outshine a lazy or sloppy TLM. It's not a bad Mass, and that's my default on Sundays. When it's done right it's good, the problem is that it's not done "right" at least half the time.

Here is but one example of a reverent novus ordo mass. There are many examples of such things. They might drive the liberals mad but the pope's new moto proprio doesn't touch these. He would need a slew of new moto propria to shut such things down.

Here's what a more secure and temperate pope Francis could have done instead. Credit to Shane Schaetzel found at The End of an Era – Complete Christianity

Leave Summorum Pontificum in place.
Give bishops the explicit faculty to remove priests from ministry who explicitly preach against the 1970 Missal and/or Vatican II, especially if they question their validity.
Give bishops the explicit faculty to remove priests from ministry who explicitly preach against the 1962 Missal, especially if they question its validity.
Require that all “Latin Mass Only” parishes explicitly state in their parish charter, bulletin and/or website that they do not reject the 1970 Missal or Vatican II.
Write a nice, pastoral, Apostolic Letter to the Faithful explaining why outright rejection of the 1970 Missal and/or Vatican II is not Catholic, while simultaneously explaining why rejection of the 1962 Missal is not Catholic either, and simultaneously explaining that all Catholics are free to choose which missal they want to celebrate and should never be derided, or looked down upon, for the choice they make, for that is not Catholic.

Fr. Appletree · Jul 20, 2021

Akita Suggagaki said:
As long as some believe that the Traditional Latin Mass/Extraordinary Form is better or holier or more pleasing to God than the Novus Ordo there will always be division.

Well, if the Novus Ordo wasn't constructed in a way that promoted liturgical lawlessness and in a way which was fully catachetical, and in a way which was kept the principles laid out by God, then the Novus Ordo would have a case. But it doesn't.

Fr. Appletree · Jul 20, 2021

Fenwick said:
Susan from the parish council"

*Shudders*

Michie · Jul 20, 2021

Fr. Appletree said:
*Shudders*

There are some posters and people in my parish that remind me of Susan. Lol!

Gnarwhal · Jul 21, 2021

Michie said:
There are some posters and people in my parish that remind me of Susan. Lol!

One of the wives who lead the Engaged Encounter I went to a couple weeks ago totally struck me as a Susan.

Landon Caeli · Jul 21, 2021

Fenwick said:
Did your diocese squash it?

Orange County never really had a good Latin Mass, but in the diocese of San Diego, there was this one Church that really did it right... Not only does the priest speak fluent Latin, but they even have an in-house choir that chants in Latin.

...It's really legit. I have my doubts that they're going to be willing to throw that all away.

Michie · Jul 21, 2021

Fenwick said:
One of the wives who lead the Engaged Encounter I went to a couple weeks ago totally struck me as a Susan.

Ugh!

pdudgeon · Jul 21, 2021

Landon Caeli said:
Orange County never really had a good Latin Mass, but in the diocese of San Diego, there was this one Church that really did it right... Not only does the priest speak fluent Latin, but they even have an in-house choir that chants in Latin.

...It's really legit. I have my doubts that they're going to be willing to throw that all away.

God bless that Parish!

Gnarwhal · Jul 21, 2021

Landon Caeli said:
Orange County never really had a good Latin Mass, but in the diocese of San Diego, there was this one Church that really did it right... Not only does the priest speak fluent Latin, but they even have an in-house choir that chants in Latin.

...It's really legit. I have my doubts that they're going to be willing to throw that all away.

It didn't? I thought it had a few like the mission, SJB in Costa Mesa, St Mary's in Huntington Beach, etc.

Was the SD parish St Anne's by any chance? I know that's one of the few FSSP parishes in CA.

Landon Caeli · Jul 21, 2021

Fenwick said:
It didn't? I thought it had a few like the mission, SJB in Costa Mesa, St Mary's in Huntington Beach, etc.

Was the SD parish St Anne's by any chance? I know that's one of the few FSSP parishes in CA.

IDK, I've been to some Latin Masses that are just OK. St. Margaret's, however, has left a lasting impression on me. It felt like I was somewhere else... It's hard to describe, I guess you could say it was surreal.

Fr. Appletree · Jul 21, 2021

Landon Caeli said:
IDK, I've been to some Latin Masses that are just OK. St. Margaret's, however, has left a lasting impression on me. It felt like I was somewhere else... It's hard to describe, I guess you could say it was surreal.

That's the feeling any liturgical rite should be producing.

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