why do people think the moon landing was fake?

Bradskii said:

I'm interested in why you think it may have been faked. If you think signals from the moon were coming from somewhere else then that would have been immediately apparent to anyone with access to two radio receivers and some secondary school maths.

In fact, a school near where I used to live tracked the flight of Apollo 17:

A group at Kettering Grammar School, using simple radio equipment, monitored Soviet and U.S. spacecraft and calculated their orbits. According to the group, in December 1972 a member "picks up Apollo 17 on its way to the Moon". Wiki.

If schoolkids could do it, I'm pretty sure that anyone at the time who wanted to prove the USA was trying to fool the whole world could do it. Do you think the USSR might have had two radio receivers at the time?

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How could they know for sure what they were tracking was a manned craft. I doubt anyone thinks the Saturn V launches were faked.

Bradskii said:

No. All the companies I listed are experts in their own right. All the countries that have their own space agencies have their own experts. They aren't being duped by NASA. They do their own science. What you claim means that thousands and thousands of people in scores of companies and dozens of countries are all working together on this one conspiracy.

Does that make any sense whatsoever?

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science is one working unit regardless of what country they are from. the ideas (globe earth, evolution, moon etc.. ) are believed in all scientist throughout all the different countries. with about 90% of these scientist being atheist

Bradskii said:

Could you list all the countries that you think are complicit in this conspiracy?

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Why do you think a majority of the world's leaders couldn't collaborate for a common goal?

They're already doing it.

d taylor said:

...with about 90% of these scientist being atheist

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Here's some who aren't: Home - The Vatican Observatory

MMXX said:

How could they know for sure what they were tracking was a manned craft. I doubt anyone thinks the Saturn V launches were faked.

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Well, to fool everyone (and that includes a few people in this thread), they prerecorded all the conversations they would have had with the Apollo 17 crew over a period of a few days and then sent a tape recorder to the moon, landed it and broadcast the conversations all the way there and back! (and also did this with all manned flights). And to really test themselves in all things conspiratorial, they didn't simply leave a capsule floating around somewhere with three guys in it and then pretended to find it, they actually broadcast the splashdown!
How cunning can you get?

Oh, and there are some people in this thread who would like to take you up on your claim that the Saturn launches weren't faked.

Bradskii said:

Oh, and there are some people in this thread who would like to take you up on your claim that the Saturn launches weren't faked.

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Just the rings. Just the rings are faked... follow the money

obscura said:

Why do you think a majority of the world's leaders couldn't collaborate for a common goal?

They're already doing it.

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As I said earlier, it seems fairly unlikely that the US and North Korea would collaborate on something as nonsensical as a moon landing conspiracy. Or the Vatican and Russia. Or China and Taiwan.

The Russians were desperate to get there first. Don't you think they'd have mentioned something if they found out the Americans were cheating?

Petros2015 said:

Just the rings. Just the rings are faked... follow the money

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I've actually seen the rings of Saturn through a friend's home-made telescope. I'm part of the conspiracy and I didn't even know it! My email must have been down when 'they' sent the memo.

Bradskii said:

I've actually seen the rings of Saturn through a friend's home-made telescope.

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Yeah, there's a fellow here who told me the moon was see-through.
I asked him... when was the last time you saw through it ... ?
Well, one time when I was a teenager, I believe he said.

Bradskii said:

Well, to fool everyone (and that includes a few people in this thread), they prerecorded all the conversations they would have had with the Apollo 17 crew over a period of a few days and then sent a tape recorder to the moon, landed it and broadcast the conversations all the way there and back! (and also did this with all manned flights). And to really test themselves in all things conspiratorial, they didn't simply leave a capsule floating around somewhere with three guys in it and then pretended to find it, they actually broadcast the splashdown!

How cunning can you get?

Oh, and there are some people in this thread who would like to take you up on your claim that the Saturn launches weren't faked.

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The question is which scenario would have been more possible. Was it more possible to send men all the way to the Moon and back, than to fake transmissions? Was it more possible to send the Command Module all the way to the Moon and back, than to have it orbit the Earth, reenter and splashdown? The whole thing was a political stunt after all.

Petros2015 said:

Just the rings. Just the rings are faked... follow the money

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The Saturn V rocket is being talked about, not the planet Saturn.

MMXX said:

The question is which scenario would have been more possible. Was it more possible to send men all the way to the Moon and back, than to fake transmissions? Was it more possible to send the Command Module all the way to the Moon and back, than to have it orbit the Earth, reenter and splash down? The whole thing was a political stunt after all.

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Do not forget nixons phone call. I believed the government/nasa folks just wanted to see how far they could take americans down the santa claus route.

Bradskii said:

Here's some who aren't: Home - The Vatican Observatory

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Is that the place with the lucifer telescope

d taylor said:

Do not forget nixons phone call. I believed the government/nasa folks just wanted to see how far they could take americans down the santa claus route.

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Nixon didn't make that call on a smartphone. Back then something as commonplace as a smartphone, or even just a flip-phone, was decades beyond their technical know-how. Yet getting men to the Moon and back was no problem for them.

MMXX said:

The question is which scenario would have been more possible. Was it more possible to send men all the way to the Moon and back, than to fake transmissions?

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What do you think the chances were of getting everyone involved in the Apollo mission to lie about it? And what were the chances of fooling the Russians? And literally everybody else. Slim? I'd say so. There was so much that could go wrong. Notwithstanding a catastrophic failure of the mission in which case Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins would have to literally disappear (ever see the film Capricorn One?).

So let's say that NASA pulled it off. Success! They must have been so pleased. And were so confident that they sent six more missions to the moon and fooled you six more times. They even pretended to abort one mission to make it more realistic. And managed to set up a half dozen experiments on the moon which are in use today.

Outstanding work.

Bradskii said:

What do you think the chances were of getting everyone involved in the Apollo mission to lie about it? And what were the chances of fooling the Russians? And literally everybody else. Slim? I'd say so. There was so much that could go wrong. Notwithstanding a catastrophic failure of the mission in which case Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins would have to literally disappear (ever see the film Capricorn One?).

So let's say that NASA pulled it off. Success! They must have been so pleased. And were so confident that they sent six more missions to the moon and fooled you six more times. They even pretended to abort one mission to make it more realistic. And managed to set up a half dozen experiments on the moon which are in use today.

Outstanding work.

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The argument still remains that it was completely possible to do, but impossible to fake. I don't think it was faked, but at the same I don't think it was impossible to fake. As for Apollo 13, was it impossible for a malfunction to occur while orbiting the Earth? The government is good at making people disappear. It's called witness relocation.

MMXX said:

As for Apollo 13, was it impossible for a malfunction to occur while orbiting the Earth?

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Not if the signals are coming from half way to the moon. Do you think it was only NASA listening?

And why would the crew's family dissapear if the crew were supposed to have died in an accident?

Bradskii said:

Not if the signals are coming from half way to the moon. Do you think it was only NASA listening?

And why would the crew's family dissapear if the crew were supposed to have died in an accident?

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So landing men on the Moon 50 years ago is completely possible, while falsifying the location of a transmission is completely impossible.

Since when do families disappear when someone dies in an accident?

MMXX said:

So landing men on the Moon 50 years ago is completely possible, while falsifying the location of a transmission is completely impossible.

Since when do families disappear when someone dies in an accident?

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Yes. Falsifying the position of a transmission is impossible.

So you had thirty plus men sign up for missions that were actually unmanned whereby they had to lie to everyone, including their family, on the understanding that if the mission went pear shaped (which was a distinct possibility) they would never see their family again and their families thought they had died.

Can this get any more bizarre?

Bradskii said:

Yes. Falsifying the position of a transmission is impossible.

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According to what source?

Bradskii said:

So you had thirty plus men sign up for missions that were actually unmanned whereby they had to lie to everyone, including their family, on the understanding that if the mission went pear shaped (which was a distinct possibility) they would never see their family again and their families thought they had died.

Can this get any more bizarre?

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Yes I had those men sign up for it back when I was in grade school

The government sends people on secret missions, maintaining false cover stories all the time. There have been undercover federal agents who have had the mafia, their immediate family, and long term friends convinced they were criminals. And then there's the CIA and MI6 etc. Men have signed up to do things for the government a lot more demanding than maintaining a cover story, like signing up for suicide missions. This is one more thing that was probably a lot easier to pull off than sending men to the Moon was 50 years ago.