Let's talk about separate bathrooms

TLK Valentine · Jul 9, 2021

coffee4u said:
People with intersex conditions have nothing to do with the trans movement. They have a physical condition.

Trans people have normal healthy bodies with normal chromosomes but don't accept them. Its a mental condition. But instead of figuring out why they feel this way and trying to figure out what caused this issue in the first place and possibly looking into therapy to help them through these issues; they are affirmed in their disorder and encouraged to actually think they are the opposite gender. Then they offered life long harmful hormones or surgery to keep up their mental delusion. Taking long term testosterone raises the risk of cardiovascular problems, like heart attacks and strokes. Far from helping them, it harms them. I know of no other mental condition where the person is encouraged in it.
Enabling people to stay sick instead of overcoming.

You've never actually spoken to a trans person, have you?

Ken-1122 · Jul 9, 2021

coffee4u said:
People with intersex conditions have nothing to do with the trans movement. They have a physical condition.

Trans people have normal healthy bodies with normal chromosomes but don't accept them. Its a mental condition. But instead of figuring out why they feel this way and trying to figure out what caused this issue in the first place and possibly looking into therapy to help them through these issues; they are affirmed in their disorder and encouraged to actually think they are the opposite gender. Then they offered life long harmful hormones or surgery to keep up their mental delusion. Taking long term testosterone raises the risk of cardiovascular problems, like heart attacks and strokes. Far from helping them, it harms them. I know of no other mental condition where the person is encouraged in it.
Enabling people to stay sick instead of overcoming.

Thank-you! I could not have said it better myself.

morningstar2651 · Jul 10, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
His Biology (XY chromosomes)

As I have explained previously.

A woman with androgen insensitivity has an XY chromosome.

These women have an XY chromosome. They were born as girls and developed female sex characteristics. They also had testes inside their body that they may or may not have chosen to have surgically removed as a minor when they discovered their medical condition.

Are they also men?

Sex and gender are a lot more complicated than you think they are. You are woefully unprepared to be making authoritative statements about who is a man and who is a woman. Perhaps you should leave this discussion to the experts and mind your own business. Keep your nose out of people's genitals and where they poop.

morningstar2651 · Jul 10, 2021

coffee4u said:
People with intersex conditions have nothing to do with the trans movement. They have a physical condition.

Trans people have normal healthy bodies with normal chromosomes but don't accept them. Its a mental condition. But instead of figuring out why they feel this way and trying to figure out what caused this issue in the first place and possibly looking into therapy to help them through these issues; they are affirmed in their disorder and encouraged to actually think they are the opposite gender. Then they offered life long harmful hormones or surgery to keep up their mental delusion. Taking long term testosterone raises the risk of cardiovascular problems, like heart attacks and strokes. Far from helping them, it harms them. I know of no other mental condition where the person is encouraged in it.
Enabling people to stay sick instead of overcoming.

You don't want to bring up intersex people because it makes you look ignorant and bigoted when you apply your arguments on people that aren't socially acceptable to hate.

These women were born with testes and XY chromosomes. These women may have had gender-affirming surgeries as minors where they had their testes surgically removed. Spew your hatred at them if you dare.

morningstar2651 · Jul 10, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
You've never actually spoken to a trans person, have you?

I'd like to clarify that there is a difference between speaking with a trans person and shouting at a trans person.

I believe they have done the latter. I doubt any trans person would willingly subject themselves to the verbal abuse that would spew forth.

Bradskii · Jul 10, 2021

morningstar2651 said:
Keep your nose out of people's genitals and where they poop.

I second that.

coffee4u · Jul 10, 2021

morningstar2651 said:
You don't want to bring up intersex people because it makes you look ignorant and bigoted when you apply your arguments on people that aren't socially acceptable to hate.

These women were born with testes and XY chromosomes. These women may have had gender-affirming surgeries as minors where they had their testes surgically removed. Spew your hatred at them if you dare.

I don't hate anyone, because that is a sin. But typical modern answer to say that anyone who disagrees with your point of view is "spewing hate"

I want bathrooms for women only.
I think people who are trans or intersex should have their own bathrooms.
I don't believe someone with a penis in a dress is women.

The intersex (adults) should have available surgeries if they so wish. Since they have an actual physical ailment.
Children should have nothing removed.
I'm an intactivist. If you don't know what that is go look it up. We are against all forms of genital surgery done on children.

Ken-1122 · Jul 10, 2021

morningstar2651 said:
As I have explained previously.

A woman with androgen insensitivity has an XY chromosome.

These women have an XY chromosome. They were born as girls and developed female sex characteristics. They also had testes inside their body that they may or may not have chosen to have surgically removed as a minor when they discovered their medical condition.

Are they also men?

No, they are considered "intersex". Intersex is considered a deformity. Again; as with all mammals, they are either biologically considered male, female, or intersex.

morningstar2651 said:
Sex and gender are a lot more complicated than you think they are.

Gender is a social construct (meaning it only exist in your head) Biology is science, biology is real and is not more complicated than I think.

morningstar2651 said:
You are woefully unprepared to be making authoritative statements about who is a man and who is a woman.

If that were true, I would not have been so easily answered your questions.

rjs330 · Jul 10, 2021

morningstar2651 said:
You don't want to bring up intersex people because it makes you look ignorant and bigoted when you apply your arguments on people that aren't socially acceptable to hate.

These women were born with testes and XY chromosomes. These women may have had gender-affirming surgeries as minors where they had their testes surgically removed. Spew your hatred at them if you dare.

Intersex people are NOT part of this debate. Birth defects are not part of this debate. You lefties just love to try and change the narrative and the line of debate. The VAST majority of the time, intersex people have organs that are not visible and the VAST majority of the time have all that is necessary to be considered one sex or the other. They don't look exactly like a man, but have breasts and the visible sex organs of women. Or they don't look exactly like a woman with breast but have visible sex organs of a man. That is so rare. Quit trying to make the debate about that. It's not.

The hatred of women has taken over the lefts arguments.

Oompa Loompa · Jul 18, 2021

Sodafox said:
As for protection in the women's room, why not put a camera in the sink area to watch for anyone peeking under stalls?

If cameras need to be installed to make women feel safe from the cross dressing men, the men probably shouldn't be in the women's bathroom.

RDKirk · Jul 18, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
So... someone else claiming to be a woman somehow makes you less of a woman because....?

Because then "woman" has no meaning, except as a social convention.

RDKirk · Jul 18, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
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Considering that testosterone is produced by the testes, and the shrapnel took care of those, that would be a "yes."

So...he or she, and why?

Lack of testosterone after puberty doesn't change much in a man's appearance as a man.

TLK Valentine · Jul 18, 2021

Oompa Loompa said:
If cameras need to be installed to make women feel safe from the cross dressing men, the men probably shouldn't be in the women's bathroom.

Who's going to make the women feel safe from the men watching the cameras?

TLK Valentine · Jul 18, 2021

RDKirk said:
Because then "woman" has no meaning, except as a social convention.

And if that were so, then neither does "man."

TLK Valentine · Jul 18, 2021

RDKirk said:
Lack of testosterone after puberty doesn't change much in a man's appearance as a man.

Who said anything about "appearance"?

Oompa Loompa · Jul 18, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Who's going to make the women feel safe from the men watching the cameras?

TSA watching the men watching the cameras.

TLK Valentine · Jul 18, 2021

Oompa Loompa said:
TSA watching the men watching the cameras.

I thought the Right wanted smaller government?

RDKirk · Jul 18, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Who said anything about "appearance"?

Practically everyone in this thread.

TLK Valentine · Jul 18, 2021

RDKirk said:
Practically everyone in this thread.

Then everyone (else) in the thread has the wrong idea.

Vylo · Jul 18, 2021

Has no one here used a unisex shower or bathroom? I did in college and if college students can do it without incident, I'm sure the rest of humanity will survive.

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