BLM supports authoritarian regime that murders their own people

Oneiric1975 · Jul 17, 2021

Hmmmm, another attempt to cast aspersions on BLM.

Is there ANY role America plays in Cuba's current state? America supported Batista who was, by most accounts, a pretty nasty piece of work as a military dictator. But what ended up replacing that was not to our liking, a Communist dictatorship.

We then expended national treasure for the next 60+ years to attempt to systematically destroy Cuba. Mainly because we were in a cold war with Russia.

America is HARDLY in a position to pick winners and losers in the region. It's not that we EVER gave a damn about the freedom of the Cuban people...we just wanted OUR control to be the one they bent the knee to.

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2021

Black Lives Matter statement on Cuba criticized for being supportive of government oppression

The statement, posted on the organization’s verified Instagram account, is being widely panned by people of all political ideologies. Many have described it as inaccurate, misinformed, and overly supportive of a brutal dictatorship.

Black Lives Matter faces backlash for statement on Cuba protest

The BLM Global Network Foundation criticized the U.S. embargo on Cuba and lauded the country’s government. Critics say the statement misses the mark.

While thousands of Cubans have been protesting against the totalitarian regime in the country headed by Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel, Black Lives Matter recently released a statement that was completely dismissive of what the protests have been about in Cuba and is instead blaming the United States for the current unrest in the country.

BLM comes out in support of the Cuban communist regime—'condemns the US'

Black Lives Matter issued a statement condemning the US federal government, not Cuba's communist regime, over its "inhumane treatment" of the Cuban people, as demonstrations on the island continue.

Oneiric1975 · Jul 17, 2021

hislegacy said:
Black Lives Matter statement on Cuba criticized for being supportive of government oppression

The statement, posted on the organization’s verified Instagram account, is being widely panned by people of all political ideologies. Many have described it as inaccurate, misinformed, and overly supportive of a brutal dictatorship.

Black Lives Matter faces backlash for statement on Cuba protest

The BLM Global Network Foundation criticized the U.S. embargo on Cuba and lauded the country’s government. Critics say the statement misses the mark.

The BLM Global Network Foundation criticized the U.S. embargo on Cuba and lauded the country’s government. Critics say the statement misses the mark.

While thousands of Cubans have been protesting against the totalitarian regime in the country headed by Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel, Black Lives Matter recently released a statement that was completely dismissive of what the protests have been about in Cuba and is instead blaming the United States for the current unrest in the country.

BLM comes out in support of the Cuban communist regime—'condemns the US'

Black Lives Matter issued a statement condemning the US federal government, not Cuba's communist regime, over its "inhumane treatment" of the Cuban people, as demonstrations on the island continue.

LOOK OUT! BLM IS IN THE HOUSE WITH YOU! THE CALLS ARE COMING FROM WITHIN THE HOUSE! GET OUT! GET OUT NOW!

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2021

Oneiric1975 said:
LOOK OUT! BLM IS IN THE HOUSE WITH YOU! THE CALLS ARE COMING FROM WITHIN THE HOUSE! GET OUT! GET OUT NOW!

Best factual, informed, intelligent reply yet! So much better than an informed conversation.

Oneiric1975 · Jul 17, 2021

hislegacy said:
Best factual, informed, intelligent reply yet! So much better than an informed conversation.

I love how you IGNORED my previous post about Batista. But you jump right on this one.

LOL.

Like you actually want a conversation. No, you just want to slag BLM.

Any opportunity.

MAYBE if you were the brilliant debator you think you are you could respond to my Batista post rather than this one!

LOL

GreatLakes4Ever · Jul 17, 2021

hislegacy said:
Hogwash - every time the embargo has been relaxed - the only benefits receive were at the leadership level. The history of abuse, murder and deprivation are from the Communist Government, not the US.

10 Reasons Why the Cuban Embargo Should Not Be Lifted

What has the US embargo of Cubs actually achieved in its 60 years of existence?

China’s Communist Party has a history of abuse, murder, and deprivation and the US doesn’t put the same sanctions on them. Why not?

The only thing the continuation of this embargo will achieve is give China a place to set up military bases less than 100 miles from US mainland if the US ever enters a Cold War with China.

Landon Caeli · Jul 17, 2021

Oneiric1975 said:
Hmmmm, another attempt to cast aspersions on BLM.

Is there ANY role America plays in Cuba's current state? America supported Batista who was, by most accounts, a pretty nasty piece of work as a military dictator. But what ended up replacing that was not to our liking, a Communist dictatorship.

We then expended national treasure for the next 60+ years to attempt to systematically destroy Cuba. Mainly because we were in a cold war with Russia.

America is HARDLY in a position to pick winners and losers in the region. It's not that we EVER gave a damn about the freedom of the Cuban people...we just wanted OUR control to be the one they bent the knee to.

What was our "control" dependant on that we were seeking?

...Anyone agree with this assessment? I don't.

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2021

Oneiric1975 said:
I love how you IGNORED my previous post about Batista. But you jump right on this one.

That is because it has nothing to do with the topic of the thread - which is how BLM is supporting the Cuban regime and ignoring the people protesting and what they are calling for. Which is freedom.

The one you are speaking of, I considered an attempt at derailing the thread or just mocking.

If you read the links - they will show that.

Oneiric1975 said:
Like you actually want a conversation. No, you just want to slag BLM.

Any opportunity.

I only posted numerous reports from a variety of sources both left and right. Sorry it has offended you, but truth often does offend.

Oneiric1975 said:
MAYBE if you were the brilliant debator you think you are you could respond to my Batista post rather than this one!

LOL

I could NEVER hope to match your brilliance! This poor little son of an immigrant (legal), could never hope to rise to the level of an obviously well educated, eloquent person such as yourself. I am truly humbled that you would lower yourself to even address me.

By the way you spelled debater incorrectly.

Oh, and I responded to your off topic mention of Batista - does that now make me brilliant?

Bradskii · Jul 17, 2021

hislegacy said:
Best factual, informed, intelligent reply yet! So much better than an informed conversation.

You're not involved in an informed conversation. You are simply pasting, post after post, comments that you think show the blm in a negative light. You haven't shown any concern for Cubans whatsoever. Maybe you should start discussing them instead?

I get the impression that what you want to do is...nothing. Which will have the unsurprising result of changing...nothing. So let the Cubans suffer under the present regime. Don't help in any way. Don't ease the restrictions so they get an idea of what life could be under a different government. Don't support what could be the start of a popular demand for change. Don't offer support for genuine elections. Don't back them in choosing whoever they want to run the place.

Just post some more derogatory remarks about blm.

hislegacy · Jul 17, 2021

Bradskii said:
You're not involved in an informed conversation. You are simply pasting, post after post, comments that you think show the blm in a negative light. You haven't shown any concern for Cubans whatsoever. Maybe you should start discussing them instead?

I get the impression that what you want to do is...nothing. Which will have the unsurprising result of changing...nothing. So let the Cubans suffer under the present regime. Don't help in any way. Don't ease the restrictions so they get an idea of what life could be under a different government. Don't support what could be the start of a popular demand for change. Don't offer support for genuine elections. Don't back them in choosing whoever they want to run the place.

Just post some more derogatory remarks about blm.

Here is what the thread is about:

BLM supports authoritarian regime that murders their own people

If you want to start a new topic - please do so on another thread -

Bradskii · Jul 17, 2021

hislegacy said:
Here is what the thread is about:

BLM supports authoritarian regime that murders their own people.

Except that the blm quote was nothing more than a call for the US to end their embargo. I support that call whole heartedly. Perhaps you can tell us why they shouldn't so we'll know why you are berating blm for making it. And use any of their twitter quote directly if needed.

Oneiric1975 · Jul 17, 2021

hislegacy said:
The one you are speaking of, I considered an attempt at derailing the thread or just mocking.

Surely you must understand the idea that America does NOT have the moral standing to dictate to other countries what they should or shouldn't do.

Indeed America has supported some pretty AWFUL dictators (look at Iran for instance).

The lesson to learn is that we should NOT attempt to be the school marm and try to control others when our track record of who we support doesn't always work out for anyone.

That, indeed, America doesn't usually really CARE about the people we are supposedly "saving". We really just want to support the dictators we want and NOT the ones we don't want.

I could NEVER hope to match your brilliance! This poor little son of an immigrant (legal), could never hope to rise to the level of an obviously well educated, eloquent person such as yourself. I am truly humbled that you would lower yourself to even address me.

Don't degrade yourself. You are a worthy person.

By the way you spelled debater incorrectly.

Good catch!

Oh, and I responded to your off topic mention of Batista - does that now make me brilliant?

No you didn't. You simply hit reply to the post but then proceeded to insult and denigrate the point without even mentioning Batista until you just wrote it here!

morningstar2651 · Jul 18, 2021

Landon Caeli said:
Personally, I don't know what the Cuban people or their government stand for, and I don’t trust the media enough to teach me.

...So it remains a mystery to me.

I can clear up your uncertainty about the Cuban people.

They're people. Like us.

Jimmy D · Jul 18, 2021

hislegacy said:
That is because it has nothing to do with the topic of the thread - which is how BLM is supporting the Cuban regime and ignoring the people protesting and what they are calling for.

Have you even read the statement? It really doesn’t sound like it.

"the Embargo was instituted with the explicit intention of destabilizing the country and undermining Cubans' right to choose their own government" and is "at the heart of Cuba's current crisis."

"Since 1962, the United States has forced pain and suffering on the people of Cuba by cutting off food, medicine and supplies, costing the tiny island nation an estimated $130 billion,"

"Black Lives Matter condemns the U.S. federal government's inhumane treatment of Cubans, and urges it to immediately lift the economic embargo,"

"Instead of international amity, respect, and goodwill, the U.S. government has only instigated suffering for the country's 11 million people- of which 4 million are Black and Brown,"

Kentonio · Jul 18, 2021

Supporting an embargo of a tiny country that pose absolutely zero threat to the US (and haven't for at least the last 40 years) is pretty interesting. I guess allowing people to chose their own governments is only ok if those people happen to be American.

hislegacy · Jul 18, 2021

Kentonio said:
Supporting an embargo of a tiny country that pose absolutely zero threat to the US (and haven't for at least the last 40 years) is pretty interesting. I guess allowing people to chose their own governments is only ok if those people happen to be American.

What is the history of the embargo and why has the embargo been supported by every administration both Republican and Democratic (except one), since 1960. Why is the embargo supported by the UN Security counsel?

The issue is not the embargo, the issue is a repressive government that kills their own people, does not allow people to own businesses and has a history of human rights abuses.

All facts completely ignored by BLM

GreatLakes4Ever · Jul 18, 2021

hislegacy said:
What is the history of the embargo and why has the embargo been supported by every administration both Republican and Democratic (except one), since 1960. Why is the embargo supported by the UN Security counsel?

The issue is not the embargo, the issue is a repressive government that kills their own people, does not allow people to own businesses and has a history of human rights abuses.

All facts completely ignored by BLM

The embargo has not achieved anything. Cuba is still communist like they were 60 years ago. It is a failed foreign policy position that does nothing but hurt the Cuban people. Both Democrats and Republicans have contributed to this stupid position. And the United Nations has voted to call for it to end every year for almost three decades. UN General Assembly calls for US to end Cuba embargo for 29th consecutive year

hislegacy · Jul 18, 2021

GreatLakes4Ever said:
The embargo has not achieved anything. Cuba is still communist like they were 60 years ago. It is a failed foreign policy position that does nothing but hurt the Cuban people. Both Democrats and Republicans have contributed to this stupid position. And the United Nations has voted to call for it to end every year for almost three decades. UN General Assembly calls for US to end Cuba embargo for 29th consecutive year

Then you realize that the Cuban government has not changed - it is still killing it's own people -

A 2009 report by Human Rights Watch concluded that "Raúl Castro has kept Cuba’s repressive machinery firmly in place...since being handed power by his brother Fidel Castro."[36] The report found that "
A 2009 report by Human Rights Watch concluded that "Raúl Castro has kept Cuba’s repressive machinery firmly in place...since being handed power by his brother Fidel Castro."[36] The report found that
A 2009 report by Human Rights Watch concluded that "Raúl Castro has kept Cuba’s repressive machinery firmly in place...since being handed power by his brother Fidel Castro."[36] The report found that "cores of political prisoners arrested under Fidel continue to languish in prison, and Raúl has used draconian laws and sham trials to incarcerate scores more who have dared to exercise their fundamental rights."

US government-funded Freedom House classifies Cuba as being "Not Free",[37] and notes that "Cuba is the only country in the Americas that consistently makes Freedom House’s list of the Worst of the Worst: the World’s Most Repressive Societies for widespread abuses of political rights and civil liberties."[37] In the 2017 report of Human Rights Watch is written that independent journalists who publish information considered critical of the government are subject to smear campaigns and arbitrary arrests, as are artists and academics who demand greater freedoms.[8]

Jorge Luis García Pérez assailed the Cuban thaw as a capitulation to the Castro's regime
A 1999 Human Rights Watch report notes that the Interior Ministry's principal responsibility is to monitor the Cuban population for signs of dissent.[38] In 1991 two new mechanisms for internal surveillance and control emerged. Communist Party leaders organized the Singular Systems of Vigilance and Protection (Sistema Unico de Vigilancia y Protección, SUVP). Rapid Action Brigades (Brigadas de Acción Rapida, also referred to as Rapid Response Brigades, or Brigadas de Respuesta Rápida) observe and control dissidents.[38] The government also "maintains academic and labor files (expedientes escolares y laborales) for each citizen, in which officials record actions or statements that may bear on the person's loyalty to the revolution. Before advancing to a new school or position, the individual's record must first be deemed acceptable".[38]

GreatLakes4Ever · Jul 18, 2021

hislegacy said:
Then you realize that the Cuban government has not changed - it is still killing it's own people -

A 2009 report by Human Rights Watch concluded that "Raúl Castro has kept Cuba’s repressive machinery firmly in place...since being handed power by his brother Fidel Castro."[36] The report found that "
A 2009 report by Human Rights Watch concluded that "Raúl Castro has kept Cuba’s repressive machinery firmly in place...since being handed power by his brother Fidel Castro."[36] The report found that
A 2009 report by Human Rights Watch concluded that "Raúl Castro has kept Cuba’s repressive machinery firmly in place...since being handed power by his brother Fidel Castro."[36] The report found that "cores of political prisoners arrested under Fidel continue to languish in prison, and Raúl has used draconian laws and sham trials to incarcerate scores more who have dared to exercise their fundamental rights."

US government-funded Freedom House classifies Cuba as being "Not Free",[37] and notes that "Cuba is the only country in the Americas that consistently makes Freedom House’s list of the Worst of the Worst: the World’s Most Repressive Societies for widespread abuses of political rights and civil liberties."[37] In the 2017 report of Human Rights Watch is written that independent journalists who publish information considered critical of the government are subject to smear campaigns and arbitrary arrests, as are artists and academics who demand greater freedoms.[8]

Jorge Luis García Pérez assailed the Cuban thaw as a capitulation to the Castro's regime
A 1999 Human Rights Watch report notes that the Interior Ministry's principal responsibility is to monitor the Cuban population for signs of dissent.[38] In 1991 two new mechanisms for internal surveillance and control emerged. Communist Party leaders organized the Singular Systems of Vigilance and Protection (Sistema Unico de Vigilancia y Protección, SUVP). Rapid Action Brigades (Brigadas de Acción Rapida, also referred to as Rapid Response Brigades, or Brigadas de Respuesta Rápida) observe and control dissidents.[38] The government also "maintains academic and labor files (expedientes escolares y laborales) for each citizen, in which officials record actions or statements that may bear on the person's loyalty to the revolution. Before advancing to a new school or position, the individual's record must first be deemed acceptable".[38]

Since Cuba hasn’t changed, the embargo has not been the right move to make them change. After six decades, I’d say it’s time for a new strategy. The only thing the embargo has accomplished is suffering for the people of Cuba. And if we end up in a Cold War with China, it will be a perfect place for China to set up military bases less than 100 miles from the US.

hislegacy · Jul 18, 2021

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Since Cuba hasn’t changed, the embargo has not been the right move to make them change. After six decades, I’d say it’s time for a new strategy. The only thing the embargo has accomplished is suffering for the people of Cuba. And if we end up in a Cold War with China, it will be a perfect place for China to set up military bases less than 100 miles from the US.

Lifting the embargo will not change the lives of the people of Cuba, the government does not care about them - they control distribution - but it would indeed enrich the politicians.

As for China setting up military bases - yeah, how did that work for Russia?

And evidently BLM doesn't know this.

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