Re: God wants to waste my life - to Him I say "in Jesus' Name Amen"?

Gottservant said:

I still want to experiment with my faith

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We need

"faith working through love" > in Galatians 5:6.

This faith lives in God's love . . . all-loving . . . about family with whomever is with Jesus. So, this faith is not your own, with you all by yourself and isolated.

There is more adventure in this faith, and the best education . . . of learning how to love.

Gottservant said:

what Bible verses you can bring up, to change God's mind, like why would He behave differently to the life of someone whose life He is ready to waste?

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I am sorry for the mental and spiritual anguish you are going through.

You have got many things wrong.

We do not change God's mind, rather we seek to be confirmed to his as in romans 12:1+2.

The only wasting of a life is yours in your reluctance to accept the authority of scripture.
God created in six literal days. Evolution has not been demonstrated unless you are like Dawkins and his quote," evolution has been seen, it's just that we weren't there!"
I've no idea how accurate that is,.

Your salvation does not depend on your view of evolution or of creation, but on your relationship with Jesus.
May I encourage you to examine what you believe, to check it out both your Christian faith and your evolution faith, seriously check it out with sites like creation.com.
They can help your understanding of Christianity and of the accuracy of the creation account.

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So I have struggled with Evolution, a lot and what I have come to realise, is that - as an Evolutionist - God is not interested in "saving" my life. God is interested in "wasting" my life. He wants me, to come to the end of myself, to understand that my faith without Him, is nothing - can achieve nothing. It is hard to understand, but then I think of Esau and how God hated him: He didn't do it spitefully, just treated him differently than he might have wanted. I guess I am trying to come to terms with "being an Esau, not a Jacob".

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Any way, just wondering what your thoughts would be?

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My thoughts to what you wrote here is very clearly that you seem to have ideas about God that I don't recognize as the God I've gotten to know, and I'm pretty sure that most Christians would agree with me that God don't want to waste your life, nor did he hate Esau, and that it's a strange thing that you seem to have ideas about being an "Esau" yourself, instead of a "Jacob".

From the thoughts this gave me, it gave me the following questions: Do you think God is "immoral" or less then good and filled with love, somehow?

Do you think that evolution is how life started, and that God didn't create life? Can you define what it means to be an "evolutionist"?

What do you mean by you claims that God wish for your life to be wasted? Why do you consider yourself an "Esau"? Clearly you haven't settled with a bowl of lentil soup (this life, and this world and the things in it) and/or traded it for salvation of your soul. You very clearly seem to be reaching for salvation instead.

I think your problem is, is that you have an image of God in your mind of how God should be. God in the Bible tells us who He is, and ask Him to teach you who He is. There were some really challenging parts in the Bible for me, that made me stop briefly from reading it. Why? Because I had an image of God in my head, and when I came to a part that showed me otherwise, instead of accepting it I got angry. 'Why is God like this and this?' but then Lord taught me that He is who He is and that I got my image of Him in my head and this is not how it is going to be.

God is the Creator and you are His creation, and what creation says to it's Creator to change, ever heard of that? Isaiah 45:9 “Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’?

Who are we then to question God who created us? God is the potter so He can make you into whatever He wishes, and you cannot do nothing about it. But you can humble ask, and admit that you are a sinner and you deserve hell and you are lost, to in His mercy to save you, to help you, to teach you, to show you who He is.

The Bible is the Word of God. If God says He spoke the World into existence in 6 days, so He did and I do not have to understand it, because it would be foolish of me to think my tiny little mind can comprehend God, if it could, then I do not want to worship that God. God requires faith, it is faith that saves, not knowledge.

And if people are looking into disproving God, then He will sent a Spirit of deceit so they are deceived in their own foolishness so they can find what they are looking for. Evolution does not explain life, because only life can create life, so how it could be created out of nothing? Study the body, it is so amazing how millions parts work so amazingly in harmony, how could evolution achieve that? How would it always get it right? And how does it even gives us feelings, why would it give us feelings? People who believe in evolution do it, so they do not have to believe in God and worship Him, and admit they are sinners, because we want to be like God, and that was our downfall from the beginning.

I nor anyone else can convince you. But if you are only picking what you like about God then that's not God. God is so mighty that He spoke the creation into existence. Don't you fear Him? I am saved and I fear Him. How much more should you fear Him when your sins are still on you?

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So I have struggled with Evolution, a lot and what I have come to realise, is that - as an Evolutionist - God is not interested in "saving" my life. God is interested in "wasting" my life. He wants me, to come to the end of myself, to understand that my faith without Him, is nothing - can achieve nothing. It is hard to understand, but then I think of Esau and how God hated him: He didn't do it spitefully, just treated him differently than he might have wanted. I guess I am trying to come to terms with "being an Esau, not a Jacob".

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??? Not really clear about how you're connecting all of this up...

Gottservant said:

I have faith, I trust science, I trust the Word of God, as it has been inspired in me - but I still want to experiment with my faith, selfishly, and I have come to understand that it is that selfish desire to experiment, that God wants to die out. I can't do what I do, any other way - I just don't know any other way. I mean, if I am going out with a bang, I want it to be a bang that pleases God - like you have a choice in life, do you fizzle or are you a firework? Sort of thing?

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Well, if there is one thing God makes really clear in His word, it is that our lives were made for Him, not chiefly for ourselves. And when we live according to His purposes, we don't find we've lost out but, rather, that we are fulfilled in ways we can't be living any other way. Putting yourself under your Maker, submitted unconditionally to His will and way, He progressively changes your desires, conforming them to His own so that living His way is not an onerous duty of self-sacrifice but a great joy.

Gottservant said:

I'm not really sure what Bible verses you can bring up, to change God's mind, like why would He behave differently to the life of someone whose life He is ready to waste? I said "behave differently to" not "behave differently for" because fundamentally, there is no reality to the life I see in God;

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Waste? From whose perspective? Those whom God has made in His image and died to redeem do not live wasted lives when they live to His glory and according to His will.

Gottservant said:

I mean I really do not see God coming to rescue me from Death, and I don't care? What would you say about it?

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Why would He rescue you from death? We all must die. It's how we travel from here to His side in eternity. Death is just a change of location; it's not an end.

Gottservant said:

Is it better for scientists to hang together, not knowing what end is going to be made of their lives, or should they petition God "give us the discoveries that are due us": it doesn't really make sense to me.

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Who says you are "due a discovery"? God sure doesn't. He does show His favor, though, to those who humbly walk in His will and way. (James 4:7-10; 1 Peter 5:6)

Gottservant said:

If you want to encourage me, that is where my heart is at - maybe in the end I will give God greater praises than He was expecting: don't tell me that's impossible, that would hurt.

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It's all downhill from God: When you have Him, you have the very greatest thing possible in the entire universe. If He cannot, in all His glory, power, love and grace satisfy you, don't be deceived into thinking something else will or can.

Gottservant said:

I'm not really sure what Bible verses you can bring up, to change God's mind, like why would He behave differently to the life of someone whose life He is ready to waste?

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I'll start with the end of a passage, and then we'll get back to the beginning. I've added some emphasis to make the highlights I see stick out...

2 Peter 1:10-11.
"Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Now for the whole of it - what leads up to you being able to make your calling sure. That is... you have power over being amongst the elect.

2 Peter 1:3-11.
"According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Now to the Old Testament. Isaiah 1:17-18.
"Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

And, God most certainly does change His mind. Exodus 32:14.
"And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."

Or, how about a snippet from Jeremiah 26:19 that summarizes that Hezekiah changed God's mind?
"Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him at all to death? did he not fear the LORD, and besought the LORD, and the LORD repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them?"

Are you needing forgiveness? Are you trying to change God's mind about His judgment against you? How about a little bit of Jesus. (Go Jesus!)
Matthew 6:14-15.
"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Soooo... If you're feeling like God's ready to waste your life, then you just got to get on His good side. And that's easier (though painful sometimes) than you might think. He's BIG into repentance and forgiveness. And if I may, He likes to forgive big even if we're just forgiving little. But - we DO have to forgive. Go read Matthew 18:21-35. That one's awesome - and is yet another passage that points out what we can do to keep ourselves out of the fire.

And if you don't mind me saying so, He doesn't want you to feel like your life is wasted, or that He wants you to waste it. John 10:10.
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they (that's YOU) might have it more abundantly." That's sort of the reason He showed up in the first place - to save us, and to make our lives enriched, fulfilled, both here and in the next life.

But we do sort of have to burn the dross off first. Perhaps you perceive yourself in the school of the Laodiceans. To them Jesus says two things.
Revelation 3:18-19
"I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment (see below), that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

That 'white raiment' there, we're told what that means in Revelation 19:8
"And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints."

And Jesus gives us a list of what makes us righteous, too. And it's not just His covering of our sins - He gives us a list in Matthew 25:34-40
"Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

Notice that everything in that list is something 'the righteous' got to DO. They took action. It was their choice. So - if you're looking for how to change God's mind about you, go be nice to people that can't pay you back. He's big on that.

I hope this short list of verses that show what you can do to change God's mind about you is helpful to you.

God bless

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So I have struggled with Evolution, a lot and what I have come to realise, is that - as an Evolutionist - God is not interested in "saving" my life. God is interested in "wasting" my life. He wants me, to come to the end of myself, to understand that my faith without Him, is nothing - can achieve nothing. It is hard to understand, but then I think of Esau and how God hated him: He didn't do it spitefully, just treated him differently than he might have wanted. I guess I am trying to come to terms with "being an Esau, not a Jacob".

I have faith, I trust science, I trust the Word of God, as it has been inspired in me - but I still want to experiment with my faith, selfishly, and I have come to understand that it is that selfish desire to experiment, that God wants to die out. I can't do what I do, any other way - I just don't know any other way. I mean, if I am going out with a bang, I want it to be a bang that pleases God - like you have a choice in life, do you fizzle or are you a firework? Sort of thing?

I'm not really sure what Bible verses you can bring up, to change God's mind, like why would He behave differently to the life of someone whose life He is ready to waste? I said "behave differently to" not "behave differently for" because fundamentally, there is no reality to the life I see in God; I mean I really do not see God coming to rescue me from Death, and I don't care? What would you say about it? Is it better for scientists to hang together, not knowing what end is going to be made of their lives, or should they petition God "give us the discoveries that are due us": it doesn't really make sense to me.

If you want to encourage me, that is where my heart is at - maybe in the end I will give God greater praises than He was expecting: don't tell me that's impossible, that would hurt.

Any way, just wondering what your thoughts would be?

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God does not want to waste your life. He wants you to have a good life. The fruits of God's Spirit, are love, joy, and peace. God wants you happy, not burdened. Sometimes we go through difficulty and it can seem as if God has abandoned us, but the end that He has planned in these circumstances is good.

Gottservant said:

Hi there,

So I have struggled with Evolution, a lot and what I have come to realise, is that - as an Evolutionist - God is not interested in "saving" my life. God is interested in "wasting" my life. He wants me, to come to the end of myself, to understand that my faith without Him, is nothing - can achieve nothing. It is hard to understand, but then I think of Esau and how God hated him: He didn't do it spitefully, just treated him differently than he might have wanted. I guess I am trying to come to terms with "being an Esau, not a Jacob".

I have faith, I trust science, I trust the Word of God, as it has been inspired in me - but I still want to experiment with my faith, selfishly, and I have come to understand that it is that selfish desire to experiment, that God wants to die out. I can't do what I do, any other way - I just don't know any other way. I mean, if I am going out with a bang, I want it to be a bang that pleases God - like you have a choice in life, do you fizzle or are you a firework? Sort of thing?

I'm not really sure what Bible verses you can bring up, to change God's mind, like why would He behave differently to the life of someone whose life He is ready to waste? I said "behave differently to" not "behave differently for" because fundamentally, there is no reality to the life I see in God; I mean I really do not see God coming to rescue me from Death, and I don't care? What would you say about it? Is it better for scientists to hang together, not knowing what end is going to be made of their lives, or should they petition God "give us the discoveries that are due us": it doesn't really make sense to me.

If you want to encourage me, that is where my heart is at - maybe in the end I will give God greater praises than He was expecting: don't tell me that's impossible, that would hurt.

Any way, just wondering what your thoughts would be?

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My humble thoughts,

I personally believe that thinking God unfair for you is "acceptable". I can see that in many places in the Bible, including in Jobs. Job openly blamed God. But here is what God finally said: “the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.”

I believe the most important thing is keeping yourself humble and honest infront of God, and always willing to know more about Him. The right mindset will come one day, or in the process.

Gottservant said:

It is hard to understand, but then I think of Esau and how God hated him: He didn't do it spitefully, just treated him differently than he might have wanted. I guess I am trying to come to terms with "being an Esau, not a Jacob".

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Nonsense, God loves you. God doesn't even come close to seeing you as Esau. Why do I say that? Because you are willing to please God (with a bang) even if God did see you as Esau. There is something right in a heart that has that desire.

Gottservant said:

So I have struggled with Evolution, a lot and what I have come to realise, is that - as an Evolutionist - God is not interested in "saving" my life. God is interested in "wasting" my life.

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I'm having trouble understanding your meaning. Are you saying that if you accepted evolution, then God is only interested in wasting your life, but you're not an evolutionist? Are you struggling with whether you should accept evolution, or why God hasn't given you peace about not accepting it, or?

At any rate, I'm not sure it follows that if evolution were true, then life is wasted by God. Evolution would simply be a mechanism that God instantiated for bio-development. I think, more importantly, science gets real sketchy when it comes to beginnings and endings. When scientists speak like metaphysicians, not everybody makes the switch in how they listen.

Gottservant said:

I'm not really sure what Bible verses you can bring up, to change God's mind, like why would He behave differently to the life of someone whose life He is ready to waste? I said "behave differently to" not "behave differently for" because fundamentally, there is no reality to the life I see in God; I mean I really do not see God coming to rescue me from Death, and I don't care? What would you say about it? Is it better for scientists to hang together, not knowing what end is going to be made of their lives, or should they petition God "give us the discoveries that are due us": it doesn't really make sense to me

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The limits of science are not the limits of faith. In some ways, I don't even consider the two in competition. What can science tell us about the Good, the Beautiful, or the True? When it comes to meaningful questions, questions of value to us, science can give data but no answers. We are all stuck placing our faith in something. I wish I had something helpful to say because your post is concerning.

Perhaps it would help to do the opposite of science for a bit. Sit still, shut out the senses, look deep within your own heart, and see what God says. The kingdom of God is within you. May the peace of Christ be with you.

There is no doubt the idea of evolution sounds appealing. It's very tempting. But I remember if science belives all this stuff, this wild crazy stuff happened. Then why is it crazy to believe God created everything and evolution is wrong? For example science says there was nothing and we everything was created in a sudden big bang. That sure sounds like God to me. He took nothing and formed everything in 7 days....in a big bang so to speak. And yet science thinks that's absurd despite it's basically what they said happened, just in a very stretched out period.