Does sola scriptura make the bible a new member of the trinity?

Bible Highlighter · Jul 16, 2021

Michael Collum said:
In prayer meetings it is common practice to remind God of scripture before asking for something.

I think when a person quotes Scripture in prayer around others it is for the benefit of others and for themselves. I don't know of any person on the planet who thinks God does not know what His own Word says.

You said:
However, some take this practice too far and insist He promised as if to tell Him what to do.

I would need more of a detailed example of what you are talking about in order to properly respond.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

Michael Collum said:
This applies to the original text of Revelation, and the curses spoken of were already applied as there are already many textual variants for the book of revelation.

We cannot add or subtract today, since the original no longer exists.

Do Not Add or Take Away or Go Beyond What is Written:

Revelation 22:18-19
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Yes, I am aware that Revelation 22:18-19 is speaking in context of the book of Revelation. However, we have to think about this logically, though. If you can't add any words to the book of Revelation, then you can't add any words to the Bible, too. Why? Well, the book of Revelation is the end of the Bible. It is the close of the whole book known as the Bible. It is the end. This is why I believe Revelation 22:18-19 is prophetic in the fact that it has a secondary fulfillment of speaking about "this book" in reference to "Revelation" in being a part of the book known as the Bible. How so? Well, there are several passages that have a double fulfillment to them. Here is one them:

Hosea 11:1
"When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt."

First Fulfillment (That was in the Past):
Reference to the exodus of the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt.

Secondary Fulfillment (That was in the Future):
Reference to the Love of God calling his Son back to the comparative safety in Egypt so that he might die for his people. Matthew 2:15 - "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son."
Also, in Revelation 2 and Revelation 3, Jesus gives His assessment of various churches. In these chapters, Jesus spoke of real churches that existed at the time when John written the book of Revelation, but also to the spiritual state of churches thru out time and today, too. For one of the churches is told to repent or they will go thru the tribulation. For obviously there has been Luke warm churches thru out history and today like the Laodician church.

Besides, there are hundreds of double fulfillment passages in the Bible. How so? Well, the "Typifications of Christ" in the Old Testament are essentially double fulfillment type passages (See this forum thread here to check them out). In fact, Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39). In other words, the OT Scriptures are a double fulfilment. For the Old Testament Scriptures spoke of the events of it's time and they also spoke about Jesus Christ, too; For Jesus said so Himself.

Also, consider the prophecy in the book of Daniel which was to seal up vision and prophecy versus the prophecy of the book of Revelation which is not sealed.
~ Daniel's End Times prophecy speaks of the events in Revelation. These prophecies of the End Times (that were in a book, i.e. scroll) were to be sealed up and closed (Daniel 12:4) because they were a far way off because Jesus still needed to come to save His people from their sins.

Revelation 22:10 mentions the spirit of prophecy that the book is open.
~ Now, the book is open whereby the things within Revelation (That Daniel also talks about) is exposed so that it will be fulfilled in bringing in the End with Christ's return.
For the entire book of Revelation is about the End Times leading up to Christ's return.
For the end of Revelation closes with Jesus saying,
"Surely I come quickly." (Revelation 22:20).

This means that we should be looking to Jesus return and not some new Revelation.
Paul said if we or an angel from heaven preach to you another gospel, let him be accursed (Galatians 1:8). It is strange that both the Mormon and the Muslim religion are founded on a revelation that comes from angels. Yet the Bible warns against this very thing.

In fact, Jesus Christ commanded that we as believers were to preach this gospel unto all the world (or all nations) until Christ's return.

Matthew 24:14
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

This is also what we see in Revelation. For this same gospel message was still going out to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people (That is still an ongoing process today).

Revelation 14:6
"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

In other words, God knew that the book of Revelation was going to be a part of the Bible. For surely God does not want us accepting new revelations or additional written works to add to the Bible like with the book of Mormon, the Koran, the added oral traditions of the RCC (Roman Catholic Church), and or the added writings of the Jehovah's Witnesses. For it is not a coincidence that this warning in Revelation 22 is at the close of our Bibles. In other words, the new reader (Who is unaware that the Bible is made up of 66 books) would understand that you are not to add or subtract from the book (i.e. the Bible) that they were reading. For God obviously intended Scripture to be compiled into one book known as the Bible. For Christians today do regard the Bible as one book, for it is published as one book and it is not generally published into 66 individual books or a 66 book volume set. There are no 66 individual old manuscripts in their original form anymore; And God does not exist in the past abiding with these old manuscripts. These manuscripts are dead and gone. For they were written in a language that is dead. All these things are in the past. However, our God is not a God who just exists in the past. Our God is present and ever active with His people today. For our God is not the God of the dead but of the living. He works with His people who are alive with the written Revelation known as the Bible. Adding any new words to that revelation would be adding to God's Holy written Word as it currently exists with His people who live today.

Fervent · Jul 17, 2021

Albion said:
I'm still waiting to know if anyone does either of those things in real life--
1) place the Bible on equal footing with God and 2) think of the Bible as another person of the Trinity.-

The first is arguable, especially with a certain segment who have identified an English translation as the inerrant and only word of God in English. Bibliolatry does happen with people treating the book with undue reverence saying that if it is in a stack of books it must be on top and other rules for handling that give deference to the paper and ink as a sacred object, or attaching superstitious beliefs to carrying/placement. Because God's authority is in the book some have confused the book as God's authority. The second I have never witnessed, but the line has definitely been blurred with some on the first.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 17, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Do Not Add or Take Away or Go Beyond What is Written:

Revelation 22:18-19
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Yes, I am aware that Revelation 22:18-19 is speaking in context of the book of Revelation. However, we have to think about this logically, though. If you can't add any words to the book of Revelation, then you can't add any words to the Bible, too. Why? Well, the book of Revelation is the end of the Bible. It is the close of the whole book known as the Bible. It is the end. This is why I believe Revelation 22:18-19 is prophetic in the fact that it has a secondary fulfillment of speaking about "this book" in reference to "Revelation" in being a part of the book known as the Bible. How so? Well, there are several passages that have a double fulfillment to them. Here is one them:

Hosea 11:1
"When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt."

First Fulfillment (That was in the Past):
Reference to the exodus of the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt.

Secondary Fulfillment (That was in the Future):
Reference to the Love of God calling his Son back to the comparative safety in Egypt so that he might die for his people. Matthew 2:15 - "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son."
Also, in Revelation 2 and Revelation 3, Jesus gives His assessment of various churches. In these chapters, Jesus spoke of real churches that existed at the time when John written the book of Revelation, but also to the spiritual state of churches thru out time and today, too. For one of the churches is told to repent or they will go thru the tribulation. For obviously there has been Luke warm churches thru out history and today like the Laodician church.

Besides, there are hundreds of double fulfillment passages in the Bible. How so? Well, the "Typifications of Christ" in the Old Testament are essentially double fulfillment type passages (See this forum thread here to check them out). In fact, Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39). In other words, the OT Scriptures are a double fulfilment. For the Old Testament Scriptures spoke of the events of it's time and they also spoke about Jesus Christ, too; For Jesus said so Himself.

Also, consider the prophecy in the book of Daniel which was to seal up vision and prophecy versus the prophecy of the book of Revelation which is not sealed.
~ Daniel's End Times prophecy speaks of the events in Revelation. These prophecies of the End Times (that were in a book, i.e. scroll) were to be sealed up and closed (Daniel 12:4) because they were a far way off because Jesus still needed to come to save His people from their sins.

Revelation 22:10 mentions the spirit of prophecy that the book is open.
~ Now, the book is open whereby the things within Revelation (That Daniel also talks about) is exposed so that it will be fulfilled in bringing in the End with Christ's return.
For the entire book of Revelation is about the End Times leading up to Christ's return.
For the end of Revelation closes with Jesus saying,
"Surely I come quickly." (Revelation 22:20).

This means that we should be looking to Jesus return and not some new Revelation.
Paul said if we or an angel from heaven preach to you another gospel, let him be accursed (Galatians 1:8). It is strange that both the Mormon and the Muslim religion are founded on a revelation that comes from angels. Yet the Bible warns against this very thing.

In fact, Jesus Christ commanded that we as believers were to preach this gospel unto all the world (or all nations) until Christ's return.

Matthew 24:14
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

This is also what we see in Revelation. For this same gospel message was still going out to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people (That is still an ongoing process today).

Revelation 14:6
"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

In other words, God knew that the book of Revelation was going to be a part of the Bible. For surely God does not want us accepting new revelations or additional written works to add to the Bible like with the book of Mormon, the Koran, the added oral traditions of the RCC (Roman Catholic Church), and or the added writings of the Jehovah's Witnesses. For it is not a coincidence that this warning in Revelation 22 is at the close of our Bibles. In other words, the new reader (Who is unaware that the Bible is made up of 66 books) would understand that you are not to add or subtract from the book (i.e. the Bible) that they were reading. For God obviously intended Scripture to be compiled into one book known as the Bible. For Christians today do regard the Bible as one book, for it is published as one book and it is not generally published into 66 individual books or a 66 book volume set. There are no 66 individual old manuscripts in their original form anymore; And God does not exist in the past abiding with these old manuscripts. These manuscripts are dead and gone. For they were written in a language that is dead. All these things are in the past. However, our God is not a God who just exists in the past. Our God is present and ever active with His people today. For our God is not the God of the dead but of the living. He works with His people who are alive with the written Revelation known as the Bible. Adding any new words to that revelation would be adding to God's Holy written Word as it currently exists with His people who live today.

We were taught to bless and not curse, and to bless those who curse us, binding a curse to christian teachings defeats the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross so we wouldn't be under the curses of the law anymore. Creating more curses to scare people into obedience generally means mission failed, so I won't agree that cursing others is a Christian practice.

Also, I was reading the following:

There are no 66 individual old manuscripts in their original form anymore; And God does not exist in the past abiding with these old manuscripts. These manuscripts are dead and gone. For they were written in a language that is dead. All these things are in the past. However, our God is not a God who just exists in the past. Our God is present and ever active with His people today. For our God is not the God of the dead but of the living. He works with His people who are alive with the written Revelation known as the Bible. Adding any new words to that revelation would be adding to God's Holy written Word as it currently exists with His people who live today.

It contains elements of double speak, so it doesn't register as a plus or negative, just words and my brain skipped over it.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 17, 2021

com7fy8 said:
In other words, the Bible's quotes of Satan and his demons can help us to know the difference between God and what is not God.

Can the same be said of when humans are quoted also?

(question 2) Especially when God is present and speaking?

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

Fervent said:
The first is arguable, especially with a certain segment who have identified an English translation as the inerrant and only word of God in English. Bibliolatry does happen with people treating the book with undue reverence saying that if it is in a stack of books it must be on top and other rules for handling that give deference to the paper and ink as a sacred object, or attaching superstitious beliefs to carrying/placement. Because God's authority is in the book some have confused the book as God's authority. The second I have never witnessed, but the line has definitely been blurred with some on the first.

Except maybe the Catholic church who kisses and bows down to all kinds of objects, I don't know of anyone who bows down and treats the Bible as an idol (and they do not even believe in Sola Scriptura). Neither do I know of any believer who treats the Bible as if it was God Himself (as it was the fourth secret member of the Trinity) whereby God is paper and ink. Maybe a few odd believers out there might believe that way, but it is definitely not a large group of believers out there that do this by any means (that I am aware of). The Bible is the expressed thoughts of God. They are His stories to us, and they are His commands to us. They are His accounts of His love or us. Whenever I hear people talk against Sola Scriptura or the Bible Alone, they equate it with Biblioatry when that is not what it is at all. They are only following the Bible Alone because that is what the Bible itself teaches. We are to follow only God's Words alone. Try re-reading the story of 1 Kings 13:11-30 sometime. It talks about a man of God who was killed for disobeying God's Words over hearing that of another prophet whose words were not of God. Revelation 22:18 also lays the ground work for not adding to God's words, as well. Some just say that this only refers to the book of Revelation but this kind of statement appears in other parts of the Bible. We are not to preach another gospel unless we be accursed. So those who wonder off into la la spiritual land without the Bible are in error. All Scripture is profitable for doctrine, and instruction in righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect unto all good works (See: 2 Timothy 3:16-17). It does not say that they may be perfect unto some good works. It does not say some Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness. It says that the man of God may be perfect unto ALL good works. It says ALL Scripture is profitable. Meaning, we don't need anything else spiritual to guide us like a crystal ball, or tarot cards, or other another holy book from some other church that are man made traditions, etc.

com7fy8 · Jul 17, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
However, nowhere did I ever assert the nonsense that God spoke through all people and or beings in the Bible. That is your false assertion of something I never said.

I am not sure I ever said that about you, or meant this.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

Michael Collum said:
We were taught to bless and not curse, and to bless those who curse us, binding a curse to christian teachings defeats the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross so we wouldn't be under the curses of the law anymore. Creating more curses to scare people into obedience generally means mission failed, so I won't agree that cursing others is a Christian practice.

You cannot take what parts of the Bible you like and reject other parts of the Bible because you don't like them. We have to accept ALL of the words of God because Scripture says ALL Scripture is profitable for doctrine and for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect unto ALL good works (See: 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Revelation 22:18 is not our own words of cursing anyone but they are God's words. Big difference there. If we preach these words from Scripture, we are only relaying what God simply said and we are not creating our own words. So you are taking the words of Jesus on cursing beyond what He actually said. Yes, we should not come up with our own words of cursing. But to speak God's words on judgments is simply a fact. Take for example the Judgment and the topic of the Lake of Fire. To tell people that there is a Judgment and a Lake of Fire if they do not repent of their sins is not cursing them but it is warning them to repent. Telling someone not to add to God's words is not a forever condemnation because they can also repent of this sin, as well. Meaning, if they created their own Bible and added to God's words, and God convicted them of adding to His Word, they can seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ and they can try to retract the printing and make public apologies about what they did.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

com7fy8 said:
I am not sure I ever said that about you, or meant this.

You said, I quote:

“God's word is not saying Satan is correct, but just revealing that he said something.”
Quote by: com7fy8.

Nowhere did I ever assert that God was agreeing with the enemy, etc.;

com7fy8 · Jul 17, 2021

com7fy8 said:
In other words, the Bible's quotes of Satan and his demons can help us to know the difference between God and what is not God.

To this - Michael - you said:
Can the same be said of when humans are quoted also?

(question 2) Especially when God is present and speaking?

yes and yes > I would say there are times when people in the Bible are quoted to say things to the LORD in the earlier scriptures, and to Jesus in the Gospels, and they are an illustration of how not to be, what not to say, what attitude not to have . . . or a good example.

When people relate with God the wrong way, we can see how the LORD or Jesus handles the person . . . even as our example of how to handle people.

For example, Peter told Jesus how Peter would go through anything with Jesus. And Jesus told Peter, no, that was not the way it was going to be. But also Jesus told Peter that Jesus had already prayed for Peter . . . even before Peter would get away from Jesus and deny Him three times. Jesus had already prayed for Peter to come back, plus to strengthen his brethren.

So, this would be an example of how we need to not boast to God, plus even pray for others before they sin and mess up. So, this scripture would be an example of quoting someone who is wrong, so we can learn not to be wrong like that; plus we have how Jesus handled that, as our example, I would say, of how we ourselves can handle when people are wrong.

God's word quotes Peter, but does not say he was correct. So, the quote is accurate, part of God's word.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

My point was that God relayed the STORY or an ACCOUNT of the events of what the enemy said, and God told us this for our benefit so that the man of God may be perfect unto all good works and to be warned of the devil's tactics. God did not have no reason or purpose in providing the enemy's words. God even used the devil to crucify Jesus. God is still using his own words against the enemy within His own Word by exposing them within Scripture. If we did not have the Bible, we would not know of the devil's tactics. But all of the words in the Bible were written down under the inspiration of the Spirit. They give an account of the facts of what happened, and they are done so for our beneift to grow with God. So yes, all of the words in my Bible are from God even though God does record things that may be wrong but He does so so as to prevent us to go down the wrong path.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

So we should not say that the Bible is a holey Bible whereby only parts of the Bible are God's words. All of Scripture exists because of the inspiration of the Spirit telling us what we need to hear so as to lead unto godliness. Every word of it is to lead us closer to God and away from that which is bad.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

The moment you step outside the Bible and start to do your own thing or start to mess with other spiritual new age mumbo jumbo junk or other spiritual uknown practices that the Bible does not talk about is the moment you place yourself in spiritual danger.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

When I hear people speak against Bible Alone I have to ask them what exactly do you think are extra words or extra communications that you accept? There are many spiritual dangers of even accepting your own dreams as the Word of God or another person's vision. People can speak against the Bible by accepting whatever thing pops into their head. The Bible has plenty of instructions to keep you busy the rest of your life in living a godly and spiritual life. You don't need any extra dream or vision or whatever nonsense that is out there. Read again 2 Timothy 3:16-17 very slowly several times. Notice that it says ALL Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness. It says that the man of God may be perfect unto ALL good works by this, too. It does not say SOME good works. So this tells us the suffiency of Scripture. It is all we need as our guide in our walk with the Lord. So if God is going to talk to us, He is going to uplift His own Holy Word (the Bible) to do so.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 17, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
You cannot take what parts of the Bible you like and reject other parts of the Bible because you don't like them. We have to accept ALL of the words of God because Scripture says ALL Scripture is profitable for doctrine and for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect unto ALL good works (See: 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Revelation 22:18 is not our own words of cursing anyone but they are God's words. Big difference there. If we preach these words from Scripture, we are only relaying what God simply said and we are not creating our own words. So you are taking the words of Jesus on cursing beyond what He actually said. Yes, we should not come up with our own words of cursing. But to speak God's words on judgments is simply a fact. Take for example the Judgment and the topic of the Lake of Fire. To tell people that there is a Judgment and a Lake of Fire if they do not repent of their sins is not cursing them but it is warning them to repent. Telling someone not to add to God's words is not a forever condemnation because they can also repent of this sin, as well. Meaning, if they created their own Bible and added to God's words, and God convicted them of adding to His Word, they can seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ and they can try to retract the printing and make public apologies about what they did.

This misses the point. The book of revelation states whoever changes the words of that book will receive curses or blessings taken away depending on whether they add or subtract from the text of the book.

Drawing a logical line to mean this applies to the entire bible is a personal choice, God stating consequences for actions is one thing. However, taking that a step further and using it as license to tell ghost stories or actually curse people is another.

The above response illustrates how a person's interpretation cannot be separated from God actually speaking in some contexts.

let the reader understand.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 17, 2021

com7fy8 said:
yes and yes > I would say there are times when people in the Bible are quoted to say things to the LORD in the earlier scriptures, and to Jesus in the Gospels, and they are an illustration of how not to be, what not to say, what attitude not to have . . . or a good example.

When people relate with God the wrong way, we can see how the LORD or Jesus handles the person . . . even as our example of how to handle people.

For example, Peter told Jesus how Peter would go through anything with Jesus. And Jesus told Peter, no, that was not the way it was going to be. But also Jesus told Peter that Jesus had already prayed for Peter . . . even before Peter would get away from Jesus and deny Him three times. Jesus had already prayed for Peter to come back, plus to strengthen his brethren.

So, this would be an example of how we need to not boast to God, plus even pray for others before they sin and mess up. So, this scripture would be an example of quoting someone who is wrong, so we can learn not to be wrong like that; plus we have how Jesus handled that, as our example, I would say, of how we ourselves can handle when people are wrong.

God's word quotes Peter, but does not say he was correct. So, the quote is accurate, part of God's word.

This leads to the next question, if God is actually speaking in some passages - and other passages are just humans speaking - what does the reader apply in real life?

Clare73 · Jul 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
@com7fy8 you should know I do not care for sola scriptura. Okay. If people desire to hold on to that term or whatever fine. It doesn’t dictate my own life personally. God writes his laws on my mind and my heart and have learned a lot from scripture to know that the spirit of Christ is in me; and so is that of the love of God.

It’s also been made known that you can believe how ever you desire when it comes down to Gods word… for it is totally subjective with one objective sir; the objective truth which is that of the Lord Jesus Christ coming down, being buried, and being rose again by God…
Saved by grace alone… with the ability to go to the scriptures if you desire;

Was this likewise a "subjective" determination?

Perhaps a review of Jesus' view of the Scriptures would be helpful.

Jesus believed the OT was the "word of God" in every detail (Matthew 15:6; Luke 5:1, Luke 11:28; John 10:35)
He believed that every jot and tittle of the Law (the OT word for the Scriptures) was the very truth of God, vested with the authority of God and backed by by power of God (Matthew 5:17-19).
To emphasize that the OT was the infallible (wholly trustworthy and reliable), inerrant (wholly true) word of God, Jesus used his regular formula for solemn assertion ("Truly, truly I say to you") when he stated "until heaven and earth disappear, not one tittle (smallest stroke of the writing pen) will by any means disappear from the Law" (Scriptures). (Matthew 5:18; Luke 16:17)

He treated arguments from Scripture as having clinching force. When he said, "It is written," that was final. There was no appeal against Scripture, for "the Scripture cannot be broken." (Matthew 4:4-10; John 10:35). God's Word holds good forever.
He constantly scolded the Jews for their ignorance and neglect of Scripture: "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures?" "Have you not read. . .?" "Go and learn what this means..."
(Mark 12:24; Matthew 12:3-5, Matthew 19:4, Matthew 21:16, Matthew 21:42, Matthew 9:13).

Likewise, Jesus himself submitted to the OT as the Word of God. He lived a life of obedience to Scripture (Luke 4:17-21; Matthew 8:16-17, Matthew 11:2-5),
and then he died in obedience to Scripture (Luke 18:31; Mark 8:31, Mark 9:31, Mark 10:33-34; Matthew 26:24; Luke 22:37; Matthew 26:53-56).
When he arose, he explained who he was by the Scriptures (Luke 24:44-47, Luke 24:25).
He presented himself to the Jews as the fulfiller of Scripture (John 5:39-40, John 5:46-47).

And in asserting to the Jews that the OT bore divine authoritative witness to him, Jesus thereby bore divine authoritative witness to it.
Belief in the authority and truth of the Scriptures was the foundation of Jesus' whole ministry.

And that included the historical accounts:
Sodom and Gomorrah (Matthew 10:15),
Jonah and the whale (Matthew 12:39-40),
creation account (as God's words, though they are the writer's words, Matthew 19:4-6),
murder of Abel (Matthew 23:35),
Noah and the flood (Matthew 24:37-39),
burning bush and call of Moses (Mark 12:26),
Elijah and the provision for the widow (Luke 4:25-26),
Elisha and Naaman, the Syrian leper (Luke 4:27),
Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt (Luke 17:31-33).
plague of snakes and brazen serpent (John 3:14),
manna from heaven in the desert for 40 years (John 6:31, John 6:49),
Abraham still alive (John 8:39-40).

According to Jesus, the Word of God written enjoys absolute authority.

I'm not hoping to improve on Jesus' view and, therefore, have made it my view also.

You should do the same.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

Michael Collum said:
This misses the point. The book of revelation states whoever changes the words of that book will receive curses or blessings taken away depending on whether they add or subtract from the text of the book.

Drawing a logical line to mean this applies to the entire bible is a personal choice, God stating consequences for actions is one thing.

So you believe Revelation is a separate book from the rest of the Bible?
That Revelation was intended to be TOTALLY separate from the rest of Scripture?
So do you believe the Holy Bible publsihed as one book is a mistake? Do you own a Bible? Do you own a mistake of God's Word or a poor imitation of God's Word?

You said:
However, taking that a step further and using it as license to tell ghost stories or actually curse people is another.

I have no idea what you mean by telling ghost stories or cursing people. What part of a Christian holding on to Bible Alone equates with ghost stories? Also, do you believe that Revelation 22:18 is about cursing people just because I may preach it as truth? How exactly do you apply Revelation 22:18 within your life?

Bible Highlighter · Jul 17, 2021

GallagherM said:
@com7fy8 you should know I do not care for sola scriptura. Okay. If people desire to hold on to that term or whatever fine. It doesn’t dictate my own life personally. God writes his laws on my mind and my heart and have learned a lot from scripture to know that the spirit of Christ is in me; and so is that of the love of God. It’s also been made known that you can believe how ever you desire when it comes down to Gods word… for it is totally subjective with one objective sir; the objective truth which is that of the Lord Jesus Christ coming down, being buried, and being rose again by God…

Saved by grace alone… with the ability to go to the scriptures if you desire; though if you care or anyone here cares about truth.

You will ask yourself; who was these scriptures written to?

Why where these scriptures written to them?

What was the purpose it was written to them?

What can I learn from what was written to them; that can be applied to my life while am walking with God?

Some people can take the scriptures so seriously that they actually hurt themselves without really understanding and can become mean, condemning, and hateful missing the entire Gospels message completely.

If you were to care for what Scripture says, then you would care about Bible Alone or Sola Scriptura. For any believer who just reads and believes 2 Timothy 3:16-17 will come away with Bible Alone in their thinking. For ALL Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness. Does 2 Timothy 3:16-17 or some other part of the Bible tell us about some kind of other extra Biblical thing about doctrine and instruction in righteousness? 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says that doctrine and the instruction in righteousness is for the purpose that the man of God (or woman of God) may be perfect unto ALL good works. So what other thing besides Scripture does the Bible mention whereby we can be perfect unto all good works? It doesn't say. We can be perfect unto ALL good works by what? By you having a crystal ball or tarot cards or by your dreams? No. Scripture. Read and believe 2 Timothy 3:16-17. If you do... you will be... Bible Alone. But if you want to fight against God's Word by all means... you can do that, but that never ends well for anyone.

Fervent · Jul 17, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Except maybe the Catholic church who kisses and bows down to all kinds of objects, I don't know of anyone who bows down and treats the Bible as an idol (and they do not even believe in Sola Scriptura). Neither do I know of any believer who treats the Bible as if it was God Himself (as it was the fourth secret member of the Trinity) whereby God is paper and ink. Maybe a few odd believers out there might believe that way, but it is definitely not a group of believers out there that do this by any means. The Bible is the expressed thoughts of God. They are His stories to us, and they are His commands to us. They are His accounts of His love or us. Whenever I hear people talk against Sola Scriptura or the Bible Alone, they equate it with Biblioatry when that is not what it is at all. They are only following the Bible Alone because that is what the Bible itself teaches. We are to follow only God's Words alone. Try re-reading the story of 1 Kings 13:11-30 sometime. It talks about a man of God who was killed for disobeying God's Words over hearing that of another prophet whose words were not of God. Revelation 22:18 also lays the ground work for not adding to God's words, as well. Some just say that this only refers to the book of Revelation but this kind of statement appears in other parts of the Bible. We are not to preach another gospel unless we be accursed. So those who wonder off into la la spiritual land without the Bible are in error. All Scripture is profitable for doctrine, and instruction in righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect unto all good works (See: 2 Timothy 3:16-17). It does not say that they may be perfect unto some good works. It does not say some Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness. It says that the man of God may be perfect unto ALL good works. It says ALL Scripture is profitable. Meaning, we don't need anything else spiritual to guide us like a crystal ball, or tarot cards, or other another holy book from some other church that are man made traditions, etc.

What I'm speaking of isn't an issue of sola scriptura, simply that there are some who treat the object itself as an object of worship. You may not have experienced it, but that's not because it doesn't happen. Though often sola scriptura can be taken too far where the context the Bible was revealed in is ignored and its treated as a uniform, timeless writing which simply plasters modern sensibilities and understandings over the historic meaning of the text. Distance from the writing requires that we have at least some understanding of the original cultures to understand what is meant by the text.

Does sola scriptura make the bible a new member of the trinity?

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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