Sanctification : How to be sanctified.

Brightfame52 · Jul 16, 2021

Sidon said:
Jesus is a "sin offering".
He replaced all that were the same, in the OT.
Notice that Jesus is offering His Blood and Body. ??

That the "offering".

Thats understood, what you need to know is that Christ isnt offered to sinners.

Sidon · Jul 16, 2021

Brightfame52 said:
Thats understood, what you need to know is that Christ isnt offered to sinners.

Did you just say that Christ isn't offered to sinners?

BBAS 64 · Jul 16, 2021

Sidon said:
Hey Bill,

"from" or "by".....hearing. = "same difference".

And the "cause" of the "faith", is not the hearing, but rather its the holy spirit that enlightens the hearer to be able to believe.

See, its all spiritual, as all things with God are Faith, Spirit, and Truth.

And remember....>"God is A Spirit", not just "spirit'.
So, if your bible says...>"God is Spirit", and not the correct as given by the Holy Spirit as...>"God is A Spirit", then your "bible" is not making the distinction between the Holy Spirit and the unholy Spirit.
See those "2".
That is not a myth.
So, if your bible falsely identifies God as "spirit", only, then throw away that book, as its not a bible.

and in 1 Timothy 3:16.....if your version says...."He appeared" or "He who was manifested".... and not "God was manifested in the flesh", then throw away that version as it it not a bible.

Good Day,

No not really

I will allow the words along with the grammatical constructions speak objectively for themselves.

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

I will look at the Greek text and do my own translation. But you assume that the HE pronoun does not rightly find it's proper noun as God Himself in the context. Such an assumption is nothing more than an inability to allow the text and the grammar to function in any coherent manner.

So now I clearly understand why you said "same difference".

Not even going to attempt to cover the textual variant here.

In Him,

Bill

Sidon · Jul 16, 2021

BBAS 64 said:
Good Day,

I will look at the Greek text and do my own translation.

Do you read and write and speak fluent "koine Greek"?
If not, then stop pretending you can read it, and translate it.

If you can read it, then you have a choice of 30, Greek Texts.
Good luck with that.

BBAS 64 · Jul 16, 2021

Sidon said:
Do you read and write and speak fluent "koine Greek"?
If not, then stop pretending you can read it, and translate it.

If you can read it, then you have a choice of 30, Greek Texts.
Good luck with that.

Good Day,

Fluent no but I am still learning...

Not sure at this point how wide spread this particular variant across manuscripts and what they entail.

But hey I have a question: ESV

1Ti 3:13 For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus. I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth. Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

The he pronoun refers to which noun?

Who fits this description of? manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

In Him,

Bill

Ligurian · Jul 19, 2021

Sidon said:
How do you become "Sanctified".

Its like this.... 1 Corinthians 1:30

= Jesus is our entire Sanctification.
Do you have Him in you?
Are you born again and not just water baptized??

So, when we are "In Christ", we are as sanctified as God Himself.
And why?
Because our born again Spirit is our real identity.
Its the REAL YOU. And this is the 'new Creation".
Notice that its not the old creation, or the "flesh" that is trying to be good and keep commandments.
But rather, is God who has BIRTHED your dead spirit ALIVE into Himself, by His Holy Spirit.
This SPIRITUALLY recreates you as 'ONE WITH GOD" "In Christ".
It is GOD Himself joining Himself to your Spirit, and this creates NEW LIFE, and the NEW BIRTH, and you as the "new Creation".
= Born again.

And as born again, you become :

= "as Jesus is.... so are the born again IN this World".

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Our Discipleship, is not our sanctification, its only our discipleship.
A lot of Christians confuse Salvation with Discipleship, and get all caught up in works and commandment keeping and PERFORMING to try to be accepted by God.
When you do that, you are not in correct Faith, as correct Faith understands that God Himself came down here to deal with your sin and your dead Spirit.
You can't do that with law and commandments, and that is why Jesus, who is God, told YOU...

"you must be born again".

Listen..

Salvation is the blood atonement that is God caused, by Christ's Blood and God's Spirit.
Discipleship is you living your life for God because God has made you a "new Creation in Christ".
See that?
See the difference between what God did for you, and what you do BECAUSE He did?

Salvation is God offering His HOLINESS to YOU, as "the Gift of Righteousness".
Discipleship is you presenting your body and behavior back to God as your discipleship, after you are born again > SANCTIFIED by the Blood of Jesus.

Reader, everything that God offers to accepts you, and bring you to heaven after you die, HE DID FOR YOU< as Christ on the Cross.
That is : "The Gift of Salvation".

You Discipleship, or your presenting your life back to God because He has SAVED YOU with Christ's BLOOD.... has no effect on being "made Righteous', which is our entire sanctification, as "born again".
We are "made righteous" by GOD through CHRIST, so, we can't become more righteous. But, we can exist in perfection as a disciple, as a lifestyloe, which is to have the mind of Christ = which is to walk in the Spirit.
To do this, you have to "renew" you mind.

To become "perfected", and exist as "the fullness of the Stature of Christ" is not found by deeds, or law, or commandments, or self sacrifice, .... its only found by having a perfectly renewed Mind that always and only reflects God's perspective of who we are as a born again NEW CREATION, made so by God Himself.
When you learn to SEE yourself as only the "new creation" "in Christ", and not as a saved sinner needing to be good, and keep commandments.....But when you get out of that carnal mind, and into the MIND that SEES YOU, as God has recreated you to be, then you are walking in the Spirit. This is the renewed mind.

Notice that the NT teaches you that can only please God by "faith", and that faith isn't deeds and works or commandment keeping.....but rather its found in perfected understanding = renewed MIND..
The REAL walk of Faith, is to exist as walking IN the Spirit.
This is not self effort, as Jesus told you.>"apart from me you can do nothing.".
So, when you are trying to DO something so that God will keep you, and accept you, then you are apart from The Grace of God that is the only reason He accepts you.
God does not accept you based on what you do. God only and always accepts you based on Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection.
See that CROSS ??? = God accepts THAT, only, to accept you.
That's "the GIFT of Salvation".

So, when you exist in this Real Faith, the you are finally existing in the renewed mind, which is to walk in the Spirit.
That's how you live the sanctified FAITH FILLED life that is pleasing to God.

Most of that is what Paul says, but he never once uses the words "born again".

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Now here is what the Father's Gospel of the Kingdom says:

John 17:17 Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

John 1:23 He said, I [am] the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

Esaias 40:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight the paths of our God. 6 The voice of one saying, Cry; and I said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass: 7 8 The grass withers, and the flower fades: but the word of our God abides for ever.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh [is] as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the Gospel is preached unto you.

Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is My body. 27 And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is My blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

John 14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.

Ligurian · Jul 19, 2021

Sidon said:
The reality is, that "sin came into the world because of Adam" and forgiveness and righteousness came into the world as the 2nd Adam.

We are born with a nature that is of the devil.
This is why it is termed the "fallen" nature, as this is symbolic of the Devil as this..>"i beheld Satan FALL as Lightning from Heaven".

Jesus says of ALL unbelievers.....>"You are of your FATHER...the devil".

Paul says ......regarding ALL the born again, "you are no longer a servant, but a SON of God".

Sin came into the world by the serpent, and so Death entered the world.

Jesus was talking to people who were trying to kill Him.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on Him, If ye endure in My word, [then] are ye My disciples indeed; 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Paul never uses the words "born again"... "new creature" is what Paul says. In fact, Paul does teach once saved always saved in places like that one. Some say there was more than one Paul, probably because of those conflicts.

Ligurian · Jul 19, 2021

TedT said:
Exactly - and if you think I interpret Heb 12:5-11 differently you do not know me.

BUT...in Heb 12:6, English Standard Version
For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”

King James Bible
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
the chastises is actually the word scourges as per the KJV. And how do you scourge someone? mastigoó, Strongs' s 3146: to flog, scourge, the victim being strapped to a pole or frame and whipped with the cat of nine tails.

Just saying... It is HIS loving rehabilitative intent that makes this a proper chastisement, not any lack of intensity as it matches perfectly the person's recalcitrance.

The Father purges those who are Disciples following the words of Jesus.

John 15:2 Every branch in Me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in Me. 5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without Me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. kathairo = cleanse

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. paideuo = educate

anna ~ grace · Aug 23, 2021

Sidon said:
How do you become "Sanctified".

Its like this.... 1 Corinthians 1:30

= Jesus is our entire Sanctification.
Do you have Him in you?
Are you born again and not just water baptized??

So, when we are "In Christ", we are as sanctified as God Himself.
And why?
Because our born again Spirit is our real identity.
Its the REAL YOU. And this is the 'new Creation".
Notice that its not the old creation, or the "flesh" that is trying to be good and keep commandments.
But rather, is God who has BIRTHED your dead spirit ALIVE into Himself, by His Holy Spirit.
This SPIRITUALLY recreates you as 'ONE WITH GOD" "In Christ".
It is GOD Himself joining Himself to your Spirit, and this creates NEW LIFE, and the NEW BIRTH, and you as the "new Creation".
= Born again.

And as born again, you become :

= "as Jesus is.... so are the born again IN this World".

--------------------------------------------

Our Discipleship, is not our sanctification, its only our discipleship.
A lot of Christians confuse Salvation with Discipleship, and get all caught up in works and commandment keeping and PERFORMING to try to be accepted by God.
When you do that, you are not in correct Faith, as correct Faith understands that God Himself came down here to deal with your sin and your dead Spirit.
You can't do that with law and commandments, and that is why Jesus, who is God, told YOU...

"you must be born again".

Listen..

Salvation is the blood atonement that is God caused, by Christ's Blood and God's Spirit.
Discipleship is you living your life for God because God has made you a "new Creation in Christ".
See that?
See the difference between what God did for you, and what you do BECAUSE He did?

Salvation is God offering His HOLINESS to YOU, as "the Gift of Righteousness".
Discipleship is you presenting your body and behavior back to God as your discipleship, after you are born again > SANCTIFIED by the Blood of Jesus.

Reader, everything that God offers to accepts you, and bring you to heaven after you die, HE DID FOR YOU< as Christ on the Cross.
That is : "The Gift of Salvation".

You Discipleship, or your presenting your life back to God because He has SAVED YOU with Christ's BLOOD.... has no effect on being "made Righteous', which is our entire sanctification, as "born again".
We are "made righteous" by GOD through CHRIST, so, we can't become more righteous. But, we can exist in perfection as a disciple, as a lifestyloe, which is to have the mind of Christ = which is to walk in the Spirit.
To do this, you have to "renew" you mind.

To become "perfected", and exist as "the fullness of the Stature of Christ" is not found by deeds, or law, or commandments, or self sacrifice, .... its only found by having a perfectly renewed Mind that always and only reflects God's perspective of who we are as a born again NEW CREATION, made so by God Himself.
When you learn to SEE yourself as only the "new creation" "in Christ", and not as a saved sinner needing to be good, and keep commandments.....But when you get out of that carnal mind, and into the MIND that SEES YOU, as God has recreated you to be, then you are walking in the Spirit. This is the renewed mind.

Notice that the NT teaches you that can only please God by "faith", and that faith isn't deeds and works or commandment keeping.....but rather its found in perfected understanding = renewed MIND..
The REAL walk of Faith, is to exist as walking IN the Spirit.
This is not self effort, as Jesus told you.>"apart from me you can do nothing.".
So, when you are trying to DO something so that God will keep you, and accept you, then you are apart from The Grace of God that is the only reason He accepts you.
God does not accept you based on what you do. God only and always accepts you based on Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection.
See that CROSS ??? = God accepts THAT, only, to accept you.
That's "the GIFT of Salvation".

So, when you exist in this Real Faith, the you are finally existing in the renewed mind, which is to walk in the Spirit.
That's how you live the sanctified FAITH FILLED life that is pleasing to God.

No, faith in Christ does not automatically produce good works; not at all. Martin Luther had faith. A lot of faith. He had faith in faith plus nothing. He was also the author of some very, very weird theology, and was murderously anti-Semitic.

The 38 Most Ridiculous Things Martin Luther Ever Wrote | DavidLGray.INFO

So… was Luther’s faith genuine? If “genuine, true, saving faith” naturally produces a Christ-like mindset, wisdom, kindness, purity, and grace, what do we do with Martin Luther?

Brightfame52 · Aug 26, 2021

Faith in Christ, belief of the Truth is the result of having been sanctified by te Holy Spirit which is the New Birth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Brightfame52 · Aug 26, 2021

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