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Nice to get the human angle. Religion can be so abstract sometimes.

Is "victory in Christ" that Paul is describing the "human angle"?
Not quite.

Also, Christianity is not a religion.
See Islam, Buddha, and Legalism, for your final answer.

And just so you know.."wiki" and "a dictionary", are not equipped to understand the difference between "Christianity" and "religion"....so, no need to chase that dead horse in a post.
Thx.
 
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And just so you know.."wiki" and "a dictionary", are not equipped to understand the difference between "Christianity" and "religion"....so, no need to chase that dead horse in a post.

You can't chase a dead horse because it can't run away from you. Do you mean flog?

But if you don't agree with the dictionary definition of words then I guess words mean whatever you want them to mean, so carry on chasing dead ducks or judging books before they are hatched or whatever innocent pastimes you enjoy.
 
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You can't chase a dead horse because it can't run away from you. Do you mean flog?

What i said, i meant.

Its like this.......to chase a dead horse, is the same as....."if wishes were horses the beggars would ride".

Simplified..

To chase a dead horse, is to try to prove what isn't true.

So, stop chasing it, Hmm., as it wont ride.
 
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So, stop chasing it, Hmm

I know.you don't believe me Sid but I've never chased a dead horse. I run straight at them trying to scare them of course of course whenever I come.across one but their stubborness.in carrying on being dead instead of getting up and running away means that it's never developed into a chase. But if it ever does I will remember your wise words and stop.chasing and probably just go and sit down on the grass or something.
 
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I know.you don't believe me Sid but I've never chased a dead horse. I run straight at them of course whenever I see one lying on the pavement or whatever as you do but their stubborn tendency to carry on being dead instead of getting up and running away means that I've never got into a chase. But if I ever do I will remember your wise words and stop.chasing and probably just go and sit down on the grass or something.

IN Israel you see the Police riding horses and they also "drive" 2 wheeled cars.
They will chase you down if they see you beating a dead horse.
 
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IN Israel you see the Police riding horses and they also "drive" 2 wheeled cars.
They will chase you down if they see you beating a dead horse.

Again, excellent advice and I will bear that in mind next time I go to Israel.
 
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I've been to Nazareth and the Sea of Galilee. It did feel special thinking Jesus may have stood where you were. I'd love to go to Jerusalem one day - lots of cathedrals in the UK organise trips there led by a Bishop or a Dean. It's an expensive way to do it but it would be nice to get some spiritual inside knowledge of the place. Is this something cathedrals or churches do in the US?
 
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Let me ask you too then, are you, comrade Sidon, incapable of sin?


God said we must believe to receive Salvation in Christ. If we can't believe, then we loose salvation and we will die. Everywhere in the gospel that says these things, we must believe: 1) we are saved from sin 2) Sin is not imputed against us. 3) Jesus died to set us free 4) Jesus atoned for our sins 5) We are made the righteousness of God 6) Our old man has been crucified with Christ 7) Those in Christ cannot sin 8) Paul said: I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me, etc. etc. etc.
 
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Im not a sinner, so, i'll let you be the sinner, as you define yourself, Hmm.

What am i?
Im the same as all those who are "made righteous", and have become "the Righteousness of God, in Christ">

See that?....Im "in Christ", "the righteousness of God".

God defines the born again, all, as a "Saint". "Heir of God" 'Son of God", and a "join heir with Christ".

The law you live under, defines you as a sinner, and i believe you as the law des not lie., as why would you post that you are a sinner on a christian forum, unless you are one ?
"by your own words, you shall be judged".
So does this mean that we’ll probably be damned if we think we’re a sinner (whether we sin in actuality or not), but saved if we think we’re not a sinner (even if, in actuality, we sin)?
 
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God said we must believe to receive Salvation in Christ. If we can't believe, then we loose salvation and we will die. Everywhere in the gospel that says these things, we must believe: 1) we are saved from sin 2) Sin is not imputed against us. 3) Jesus died to set us free 4) Jesus atoned for our sins 5) We are made the righteousness of God 6) Our old man has been crucified with Christ 7) Those in Christ cannot sin 8) Paul said: I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me, etc. etc. etc.
So does this mean that we’ll probably be damned if we think we’re a sinner (whether we sin in actuality or not), but saved if we think we’re not a sinner (even if, in actuality, we sin)?
 
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My statement is correct, as well as his is.

A sinner is a non-Christian, a person dominated by sin.

I'm no longer a sinner either, I don't seek to always involve myself in sin every hour of the day anymore,... and that is because of the blood of Jesus.
No, Hmm was correct. The OP said that he was not a sinner. Not in the slightest bit a sinner. Sin free.
 
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Maybe you are still at a point where sin is evident in your life and the flesh still has dominance somewhat over you, but for some of us, we have matured past that and can reckon our old life dead.

Spiritual delusion is one heckuva drug.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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So does this mean that we’ll probably be damned if we think we’re a sinner (whether we sin in actuality or not), but saved if we think we’re not a sinner (even if, in actuality, we sin)?

The sin nature that came about from Adam's fall is what God has put to death on the Cross for our salvation in Christ; because due to that sin, the entire race of man was not able to stand before God, who being Holy, would destroy His creation by fire. By fire because every Spiritual body, must first posses a grain body (fleshly body). That means that our fleshly body must become a Spiritual body after we die. See 1 Corinthians 15:40-44. God's original plan was that we were to be Spiritual Sons like Him, but like every order of things according to God and how His creation works, a glorified body (Spiritual body) had to be like a grain of wheat (fleshly body). This is also explained in John 12:23-25, when Jesus explains that His hour had come, where the Son of Man would be glorified. He said that, "Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit (glorified Spiritual body).


So, due to Adam's sin, the Tree of Life, which would have caused that change from flesh to Spirit, and caused man to live forever, Geneses 3:23-24, was guarded and man was put out of the garden so that the change would not happen. If that change would have happened then, there would have been corrupted sinful Spiritual beings living forever, and would have been immediately destroyed/burned with no hope of salvation. Either that, or Satan would have had more allies! You see the problem?

So that's the sin that was taken care of by Christ. God needed to put man out of the garden, then take care of the problem of His Righteous Requirement to destroy man, His creation, who now has sin in it. So, to save man, His Son Jesus became our sacrifice. Jesus needed to save the fleshly man by shedding his blood in the likeness of sinful flesh, to destroy/condemn sin, Romans 8:3-4, so that when fleshly man (grain) dies, and turns to a Spiritual man, there would be no sin in him, and then He would now not be destroyed by His Creator. The requirement is that we accept Christ, and walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit, Romans 8:5. That's why in Christ we are not sinners.

So, that's the sin that we no longer have in Christ. It's completely covered in Christ. Because Christ died for the world, and for those that believe Him, that sin is completely covered; God plants a new nature, the earnest of the Spirit, 2 Corinthians 1:22, in those who believe on His Son, and that nature cannot sin because God's seed has been implanted, 1 John 3:9. So it's God's nature that's Holy and cannot sin that has been given to the believer. God is now satisfied with His creation in what Jesus has done, and does not impute the sin against those that believe on Him. That's why we must be careful and not say we are sinners!


So when we do acts that are considered sinful, we know that we are under grace (grace of forgiveness in Christ), and we are truly working towards being transformed and having our minds renewed according to the Holy Spirit, Romans 12:2 .

I hope this helps!
 
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If you want to live your life like you are still a sinner, be my guest.

So, as a Christian believer in Jesus struggling against the flesh and trusting in God's mercy, rather than my own power, for salvation? Yes, by the mercy of God, prayerfully I shall continue on this journey, trusting that He who began a good work shall continue that good work until the Last Day.

What I'm not going to do is walk around and pretend like my farts don't stink.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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So, as a Christian believer in Jesus struggling against the flesh and trusting in God's mercy, rather than my own power, for salvation? Yes, by the mercy of God, prayerfully I shall continue on this journey, trusting that He who began a good work shall continue that good work until the Last Day.

What I'm not going to do is walk around and pretend like my farts don't stink.

-CryptoLutheran

Whatever trips your trigger friend, just stay out of my way.
 
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Are vague threats part of what it means to be sinless? Just wondering.

-CryptoLutheran

It's perfectly fine for you to live in the flesh devoid of His holiness all you want, just stay away from me.
 
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