Purpose of the sabbath

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Personally I think the Spirit of the Fear of Him within prevents us from losing our salvation. However we can stray and miss out on the blessings of the Kingdom, but that is a different matter.
According to the scriptures all who continue in known unrepentant sin once they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word do not enter it *Hebrews 10:26-31. Something we should not want to be gambling our salvation on.
 
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Jesus separated and will separate believers. Goats from the His sheep. To His right hand and to the left condemned to everlasting destruction.

The Body of Christ should never be divided by our attitudes and judgements. The Tares are outside the Body and were never part of it. They were adherents only.

I am referring to 1 Cor 11:

29 For the one who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not properly recognize the body. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number are asleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.
 
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Really Carl and what beliefs am I attributing to you that you do not believe? There is only loving dialogue in sharing Gods' Word if Gods' Word is not ignored or rejected. As posted earlier, we should all be careful to hear the warnings from God's Word (I include myself in these words). As shown earlier it is written in Isaiah 6:9-10 that Jesus and Paul quote in Matthew 13:14-15 and Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 "Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed." and again "Many are called but few are chosen". This is because the many that are called close their eyes and ears to seeing and hearing God's Word so that he may heal them. As posted earlier there is no loving dialogue for those who reject Gods' Word and refuse to hear it according to the scriptures. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear and our words do not really matter. Only Gods' Word is true, but many do not want to hear that. They want to talk about peace and safety until sudden destruction comes when it is too late and there is only weeping and gnashing of teeth. Of course you are free to believe as you wish.

Take care Carl.

I get the message - agree with you or be cursed...
 
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HIM said: You spend to much time talking about the people you speak to
Your response...
Nonsense, this is a unique situation after 300 odd posts, I hardly ever comment on others, but in this case the matter is extreme.
Yes too much scripture has been shared with you.
 
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I get the message - agree with you or be cursed...
God's Word is not my words but Gods' Word. What was it in the scriptures posted in the post you are quoting from that you disagree with and why? Personally I wish everyone would agree with Gods' Word but the scriptures teach not many will *Matthew 22:14.
 
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This is a typical response - as if others do not love the scripture as much as you...
We should love all of Gods' Word Carl not just the bits that sound nice to us. As Jesus says, man does not live by break alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. - Matthew 4:4, but many do not want to hear that.
 
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God's Word is not my words but Gods' Word. What was it in the scriptures posted in the post you are quoting from that you disagree with and why? Personally I wish everyone would agree with Gods' Word but the scriptures teach not many will *Matthew 22:14.

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You are presenting a narrow interpretation in the way you present scripture.

It is not a matter of not agreeing with scripture - it is a matter of not agreeing with you.

You present as someone with an infallibility complex - that is a dangerous place to be - time to read the book of Job again... Right through to the end - see what he repented of...
 
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You are presenting a narrow interpretation in the way you present scripture.

It is not a matter of not agreeing with scripture - it is a matter of not agreeing with you.

You present as someone with an infallibility complex - that is a dangerous place to be - time to read the book of Job again... Right through to the end - see what he repented of...

According to the scriptures, there is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own that are shared with you. Freely I give because freely I have received. Your Words are not directed towards me but to the one who the Word belongs. The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Many however will not hear him because they are not his sheep.
 
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The Body of Christ should never be divided by our attitudes and judgements. The Tares are outside the Body and were never part of it. They were adherents only...
There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal/pseudo" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
 
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There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal/pseudo" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
True. Would you say genuine Christians obey our Creator and Savior or disobey? When God asks us to REMEMBER something, do we show good Christ-like values when we REMEMBER the important message our Savior personally wrote for us or should we take it upon ourselves that we know what's best for us over our Creator and Redeemer and FORGET what God told us not to?
 
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True. Would you say genuine Christians obey our Creator and Savior or disobey? When God asks us to REMEMBER something, do we show good Christ-like values when we REMEMBER the important message our Savior personally wrote for us or should we take it upon ourselves that we know what's best for us over our Creator and Redeemer and FORGET what God told us not to?
Who is us? Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

God's Word makes it clear that sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: "The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested." (Exodus 31:16-17)

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:15)

That was under the old covenant of LAW. Under the new covenant, we read - Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)

So mixing the old and new covenants together/judging others in regards to a sabbath day/turning sabbath keeping into a legalistic prescription for salvation/falsely teaching that those who worship God on Sunday instead of Saturday will receive the mark of the beast etc.. are examples of false teachings in which promoting these false teachings through legalism are not examples of obeying our Creator and Savior or showing Christ-like values.
 
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Who is us? Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

God's Word makes it clear that sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: "The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested." (Exodus 31:16-17)

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:15)

That was under the old covenant of LAW. Under the new covenant, we read - Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)

So mixing the old and new covenants together/judging others in regards to a sabbath day/turning sabbath keeping into a legalistic prescription for salvation/falsely teaching that those who worship God on Sunday instead of Saturday will receive the mark of the beast etc.. are examples of false teachings in which promoting these false teachings are not examples of obeying our Creator and Savior.

God's laws are given to everyone if you are part of God's Israel, which means His true believers, not a nationality. Gal 3:28

God kept His holy law inside the the Most Holy of God's Temple. God had an earthy sanctuary and a Heavenly sanctuary. The earthy sanctuary was a replica of His heavenly sanctuary. There is an ark of the covenant in God's Heavenly sanctuary. If you read each of God's laws with the common sense God gave us its easy to understand each one is universal (don't lie, don't kill, only worship God, use God's name with sacredness) yet alone the scriptures that are referenced throughout the bible for us to obey God's laws.

You seem to have left out a verse in Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

This gives you context. God's laws which includes the seventh day Sabbath found in Exodus 20:8-11 is God's commandment. It is not referred to as an ordinance.

You can clearly see this distinction from the very quote you provided

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

What is an ordinances that was written by Moses is the yearly feast sabbath(s) that is all about food and drink and is what this verses is referring to, not one of God's commandments that he started with the word REMEMBER, amazing how He is all knowing that He knew people would forget. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a sign of God's people Ezekiel 20:20 and God's people are more than Jews.

You are welcome to believe whatever you want, but Jesus said we should keep the least of the commandments Mathew 5:17 and has some words about those who teach against God's commandments.

Not keeping God's Sabbath that He commands us all to keep, you are missing out on all the blessing it brings.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
 
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Last try...

You are presenting a narrow interpretation in the way you present scripture.

It is not a matter of not agreeing with scripture - it is a matter of not agreeing with you.

You present as someone with an infallibility complex - that is a dangerous place to be - time to read the book of Job again... Right through to the end - see what he repented of...
If you agree with scripture this should be easy because its so clear.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Have you ever tied to keep God's Sabbath holy? A full day of communion with our Savior? It brings many blessings!

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,

And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

God bless!
 
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God's laws are given to everyone if you are part of God's Israel, which means His true believers, not a nationality. Gal 3:28

God kept His holy law inside the the Most Holy of God's Temple. God had an earthy sanctuary and a Heavenly sanctuary. The earthy sanctuary was a replica of His heavenly sanctuary. There is an ark of the covenant in God's Heavenly sanctuary. If you read each of God's laws with the common sense God gave us its easy to understand each one is universal (don't lie, don't kill, only worship God, use God's name with sacredness) yet alone the scriptures that are referenced throughout the bible for us to obey God's laws.

You seem to have left out a verse in Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

This gives you context. God's laws which includes the seventh day Sabbath found in Exodus 20:8-11 is God's commandment. It is not referred to as an ordinance.

You can clearly see this distinction from the very quote you provided

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.

What is an ordinances that was written by Moses is the yearly feast sabbath(s) that is all about food and drink and is what this verses is referring to, not one of God's commandments that he started with the word REMEMBR, amazing how He is all knowing that He knew people would forget. Keeping the Sabbath holy is a sign of God's people Ezekiel 20:20 and God's people are more than Jews.

You are welcome to believe whatever you want, but Jesus said we should keep the least of the commandments Mathew 5:17 and has some words about those who teach against God's commandments.

Not keeping God's Sabbath that He commands us all to keep, you are missing out on all the blessing it brings.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

The natural reading of Ephesians 2:14,15 and Colossians 2:14 shows that the entire old covenant written code was nailed to the cross, including the Ten Commandments (with all the rules and regulations attached to them under the Mosaic Law) which were the center point of the old covenant (Exodus 34:29-34).

Now before you begin to chant the straw man argument, "so we can commit adultery and kill etc.. all we want," the life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us. (John 13:34) Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10) References for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 2:7; 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

If the law of Moses bears the same relationship to believers today under the new covenant as it did to Israel under the old covenant, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today under the new covenant.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit and not of the letter. We need to rightly divide the word of truth and not slice and dice the law of Moses and mix law with grace. Those who are zealous for the old law need to be careful not to mix the old and new covenants together with the end result of creating a hybrid false gospel of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)
 
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Who is us? Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt.
Not really Dan but allow me by Gods' grace to explain why from the scriptures. Genesis 2:3 shows that God's "seventh day" Sabbath was made on the "seventh day" of the creation week where God blessed the "seventh day" and made the "seventh day" a holy day of rest for all mankind (see and compared Mark 2:27-28 with Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:8-11). Tell me dear friend you claim here that the Sabbath of creation is a "shadow law" which is not biblical neither is it possible. How can God's 4th commandment "seventh day" weekly Sabbath be a "shadow law" pointing forward to things to come (Colossians 2:17) when it points backwards to the finished work of creation as a memorial of creation when Gods' 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) says "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep it holy"? It is impossible for God's 4th commandment to be a "Shadow law pointing to things to come" because it points backward not forwards. "Shadows laws" are referring to those laws of the old covenant pointing to the coming of Christ as well as God's plan of salvation for mankind under the new covenant. Why it is impossible that the Sabbath is a "shadow law" was made for mankind at a time when there was no sin and or plan of salvation given because mankind did not need saving. So your claims here Dan are not biblical.
Nowhere in scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.
Arguments in silence do not say one way or another of Gods' people had and kept Gods' law through the spoken Word or not but the scripture is very clear and does not agree with you here in Genesis 26:5 where God says; [5], Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. It is clear also from a reading of the scriptures in Genesis that God's people had a knowledge of what sin is and there is no sin without law because the scriptures teach that through the law we have a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Psalms 119:172. It is very clear that Genesis say Gods' people knew Gods law through the spoken Word of God even though they did not at that time had the written Word of God.
Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.
The Mosaic covenant was not the same as the covenant made with Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob there was a lot more added to it as it was for the nation of Israel in the flesh under the old covenant who were to drive out the inhabitants of the land. Many of the same laws however were still carried over into the Mosaic covenant (e.g. circumcision *Exodus 4:23-26; animal sacrifice for sins and sin offerings *Genesis 4:3-5; 22:2-13; 35:14; Exodus 18:12) God law as the standard of good and evil *Genesis 26:5; Genesis 20:9; Genesis 39:9; etc). Yet many laws were unique as well to the nation of Israel as well and not the same as the earlier covenants (e.g. the Levitical Priesthood for sin offerings *Exodus 28:3-41; 29:44; 30:30; 31:10; 36:19; 40:15; the earthly Sanctuary service *Exodus 25:8; 36:3-6; 38:21; Leviticus 1 to Leviticus 16 the annual Feast days *Exodus 23:14-16; 34:18-22; Leviticus 23:1-44, the dietary *Leviticus 11:1-47 and civil laws *Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20; Exodus 20:4 Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15; Exodus 20:7; Leviticus 24:16; Exodus 20:12; Exodus 21:15-17; Exodus 20: 13; Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33; Exodus 20:14; Leviticus 20:10 etc ; the blessings and the curses for following and not following God *Deuteronomy 28 to Deuteronomy 30; the old covenant sub laws all from written in the Mosaic book of the old covenant *Exodus 24:7 etc). So your point here is what?
Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses. God's Word makes it clear that sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: "The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested." (Exodus 31:16-17). In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:15).
Thanks I agree with the scriptures but not your argument. Your argument here is the Gods "seventh day" Sabbath was given as a sign to Israel which I also agree with. What your not considering however here is that the name "Israel" is a name given by God to His people and that in the new covenant Gods' Israel is no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who are now born of the Spirit through believing and following Gods' Word. For example...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

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That being the case God's Word and promises are still the same although Gods' Israel in the new covenant are now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word and is why the Sabbath is an everlasting covenant and a sign that Gods' people believe and follow His Word.
Under the new covenant, we read - Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)
Again this is already answered in detailed scripture responses in post # 240 linked and post # 253 linked and the scriptures provided in them. Let me spell it out simply now that the scriptures have already been provided in a detailed response in the linked posts above. "Shadows of things to come are referring to those shadow laws of the old covenant pointing to the coming of Christ as well as God's plan of salvation for mankind under the new covenant. That does not mean they are Christ but point to His coming and His work of salvation for all mankind as shown in Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22. Post # 240 linked proves from the scriptures of the old covenant which Paul is referring to both within the scripture context that Colossians 2:16 is in reference to the annual shadow sabbaths in the Feast days pointing to Christs sacrifice for the sins of the world and not Gods' Sabbath of the 4th commandment that the scripture does not say "the Sabbath" but "sabbath days" or "sabbaths" which is genitive neuter plural application to sabbath in context to the Feasts, new moons and meat and drink offerings. While post # 253 linked proves that it is impossible for Gods' 4th commandment to be a shadow law pointing to the body of Christ because it does not point forward to things to come but backwards as a memorial of creation before sin and before shadow laws from the old covenant and before Gods' plan of salvation because mankind had not sinned and did not need saving when God made the "seventh day" Sabbath for all mankind.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

The natural reading of Ephesians 2:14,15 and Colossians 2:14 shows that the entire old covenant written code was nailed to the cross, including the Ten Commandments (with all the rules and regulations attached to them under the Mosaic Law) which were the center point of the old covenant (Exodus 34:29-34).

Now before you begin to chant the straw man argument, "so we can commit adultery and kill etc.. all we want," the life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us. (John 13:34) Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10) References for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 2:7; 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

If the law of Moses bears the same relationship to believers today under the new covenant as it did to Israel under the old covenant, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today under the new covenant.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit and not of the letter. We need to rightly divide the word of truth and not slice and dice the law of Moses and mix law with grace. Those who are zealous for the old law need to be careful not to mix the old and new covenants together with the end result of creating a hybrid false gospel of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)

God's commandments came in a unit of Ten, not nine. They are an eternal and unchanging covenant Psalms 89:34, Mathew 5:18. The one commandment you are suggesting we should FORGET is the ONLY commandment God told us to REMEMBER. That can be on your conscience not mine.

God's laws is repeated in the NT.

1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10).
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" (1 John 5:21). "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" (Acts 17:29).
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).
5. "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19).
6. "You shall not murder" (Romans 13:9).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18).
8. "You shall not steal" (Romans 13:9).
9. "You shall not bear false witness" (Romans 13:9).
10. "You shall not covet" (Romans 7:7).

Jesus kept the Sabbath as our example Luke 4:16

Eps 2:15 is still referring ordnances and not God's commandments that we are already told is eternal. The context is food and drink which has nothing to do with God's Sabbath commandments but has everything to with the ordinances in Lev 23 about the annual feast sabbath(s) days that is about food and drink.

You are free to believe whatever you want, but God's Truth is plain to read for those who want to follow God on His terms (His will) and not our own.

God bless
 
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If we are to keep the Sabbath as Jesus did we will have to occasionally eat some raw grain from the corner of some farm field. We will also have to teach in some synagogue somewhere, also heal some folks.
 
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If we are to keep the Sabbath as Jesus did we will have to occasionally eat some raw grain from the corner of some farm field. We will also have to teach in some synagogue somewhere, also heal some folks.
Honestly, this post comes across as someone who doesn't understand God's Sabbath. Jesus was teaching us it is okay to eat on the Sabbath which could include grain. Jesus also taught it is okay to do good on the Sabbath (help others) We cannot "heal" because we are not Jesus, but we can pray for others that they may be healed. God bless.
 
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Honestly, this post comes across as someone who doesn't understand God's Sabbath. Jesus was teaching us it is okay to eat on the Sabbath which could include grain. Jesus also taught it is okay to do good on the Sabbath (help others) We cannot "heal" because we are not Jesus, but we can pray for others that they may be healed. God bless.

Jesus was showing the importance of one's physical well-being, even citing David's eating of the "shewbread".

My post was written with "tongue-in-cheek". ;)
 
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