So, if people's theology means they cannot forgive, does that mean hell?

Bible Highlighter · Jul 15, 2021

GallagherM said:
Okay, maybe I was wrong.

Don't beat yourself up too much. God used you to help me to see that there are two sides to the coin of faith. I did a study on it with God's Word and it was really eye opening for me.

You can check out my study with God's Word in the following CF thread if you are interested:

The Two Sides of the Coin of Faith

Granted, I have heard this phrase before by other believers, but God did not call it upon my heart yet to do the study. Anyways, while we currently do not appear to agree on the topic of sin and salvation, I always hold out hope that God's Word can help us to see things that we could not see before.

May you be blessed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

GallagherM · Jul 15, 2021

Why would you say that? Don’t beat yourself over it?

Forget that though.

If you could just simple put a paragraph without scriptures of what you see the two sides of the coin of faith that would help me understand.

All that as taught me about that is one side of the coin is having faith, and on the other side you have Christ like love, towards God and others.

GallagherM · Jul 15, 2021

Am going to bed here May you and you family be kept safe by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with too. Am tired.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 15, 2021

GallagherM said:
Why would you say that? Don’t beat yourself over it?

It was encouragement for you not to potentially be saddened by a misunderstanding. God was able to use you in my life despite our disagreement on fundemantal things within His Word.

You said:
If you could just simple put a paragraph without scriptures of what you see the two sides of the coin of faith that would help me understand.

I believe we cannot fully understand spiritual truth without the Scriptures.
So I would encourage you to check out the Scripture verses in my thread when you are more rested and have the time to do so.

But I will try to condense it for you in simple terms as you request.

The 1st side of the coin of faith can be a belief and or trust like believing in Jesus as our Savior, and believing that He died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later.

The 2nd side of the coin of faith I see as trusting in the words of our Lord Jesus and His followers whereby we act upon them (showing we really believe His words and believe in Him).

For example: If Rick said that his old rocking chair on his porch was able to hold his weight, and he said he believed that with all his heart, would he truly be showing forth that his statement of faith was true if he never sat in the chair? Especially if he was asked to sit in it and yet he refused to do so? In other words, if Rick believed that his porch chair would hold his weight (and he told others this), he would no doubt take the action necessary by sitting in that chair to prove that such a statement was true. Otherwise it would just be an empty profession of faith. In other words, if a person says they love God, and they have no visible good fruit to show that such a thing is true, then it would be just an empty profession of faith that they love God. Meaning, they really do not love God. It would just be a paying of lip service. I mean, a man can say he loves his wife, but if he does nothing to please her in any way, then he really does not love her. Action shows forth whether one's faith is the genuine and the real article vs. it being fake.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 15, 2021

GallagherM said:
Am going to bed here May you and you family be kept safe by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with too. Am tired.

Thank you. May the same be unto you, in the Lord.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 15, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Right, the apostle Paul critcizes this kind of hypocrtical kind of thing in Romans 2.
Such an individual is not acting biblically or in accordance with God's Word in following His will.
But just so that you may know, only 9 out of the 10 commands apply under the New Covenant. The Sabbath command has not carried over into the New Covenant (See: Colossians 2:14-17, and Romans 14:5). The Law has changed (Hebrews 7:12). We are under the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) (Romans 8:2) (1 Corinthians 9:21), and we are not under the 613 laws of Moses (Romans 6:14, Galatians 6:2-4).

Right, there are those who can appear to be for God's laws, but their heart and actions may reveal another story.

Right, and this would not be believing and or acting in a true biblical way despite their endless claims to their belief or actions being biblical. God knows what belief and what actions are truly biblical or in accordance with His Word. They are only fooling themselves if they are not truly believing or acting in accordance with the Bible. But then again, God predicted that in the last days men shall have a form of godliness but they will deny the power thereof. They will be lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God (See: 2 Timothy 3:1-9).

We seem to have consensus on a lot of issues.

Our conversation illustrates why I make the distinction between biblical and Godly.

thanks for the talk.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 15, 2021

Michael Collum said:
We seem to have consensus on a lot of issues.

Our conversation illustrates why I make the distinction between biblical and Godly.

I see the word “biblical” as being the same as the phrase:

“In agreement with God and His Word (i.e. the Bible).”

Therefore, I see “godly” as being the same thing as “biblical” because the Bible talks about being “godly;” Thus being “godly” for the believer is “biblical” or in agreement with God's Word.

You said:
thanks for the talk.

May the Lord get all the glory.

Bible Highlighter · Jul 16, 2021

@Michael Collum

Perhaps this video will help you to see where I am coming from.

Please keep in mind that I do not agree with everything Alan teaches. But I do agree with his teaching on godliness.

Hazelelponi · Jul 16, 2021

Michael Collum said:
Thus a judgment, of who God is.

Nothing in Scripture says we shouldn't have a view on what they (the Holy Scripture) teach...

Your stretching the meaning of judgement beyond the limits of Scripture.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 16, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
I see the word “biblical” as being the same as the phrase:

“In agreement with God and His Word (i.e. the Bible).”

Therefore, I see “godly” as being the same thing as “biblical” because the Bible talks about being “godly;” Thus being “godly” for the believer is “biblical” or in agreement with God's Word.

May the Lord get all the glory.

In general, for something to be biblical it refers to a human interpreting the bible. You are not God, I am not God, therefore the distinction.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 16, 2021

Hazelelponi said:
Nothing in Scripture says we shouldn't have a view on what they (the Holy Scripture) teach...

Your stretching the meaning of judgement beyond the limits of Scripture.

No I'm not.

The present day's education system is simply reaching it's limit in interpreting the scriptures properly.

If being judgmental equates to having a view, then the education system and the other socialization processes are to blame.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 16, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
@Michael Collum

Perhaps this video will help you to see where I am coming from.

Please keep in mind that I do not agree with everything Alan teaches. But I do agree with his teaching on godliness.

I started watching it, but I started experiencing that thing that happens when some pastors preach. He quotes a scripture and the Holy Spirit reminds me of a scripture that tells me he's interpreting it wrong.

Listening to a whole message like that is not a lot of fun. It's kind of why I'm suspicious of the word biblical.

Scripture alone tries to avoid the doctrines of deceiving spirits but falls into the trap of blocking out all spirits including God's. It becomes a rational exercise for the carnal mind. Godly must be perceived separate from biblical (also) since the core message is not communicated in the majority of the verses.

Hazelelponi · Jul 16, 2021

Michael Collum said:
No I'm not.

The present day's education system is simply reaching it's limit in interpreting the scriptures properly.

If being judgmental equates to having a view, then the education system and the other socialization processes are to blame.

Your trying to say it's some kind of sin to formulate an opinion based on the Word of God as to who is in danger of the Judgement if they don't change their hearts...

YET, if we cannot formulate an opinion based on Scripture your saying we can never say definitively that the unsaved are in danger of eternal damnation, though the Bible declares it so, it's why Christ came into this world - to save the sinner..

So basically your saying Islam, Christ makes no difference at all...

Christ would say, and has said, differently. So did the Apostles - none of them said we had no right to speak the truth of Scripture. In fact, they taught quite the opposite.

Forming an opinion based on facts isn't judging... it's discernment and wisdom given from God. Judging is in a completely different category.

Gregory Thompson · Jul 16, 2021

Hazelelponi said:
Your trying to say it's some kind of sin to formulate an opinion based on the Word of God as to who is in danger of the Judgement if they don't change their hearts...

YET, if we cannot formulate an opinion based on Scripture your saying we can never say definitively that the unsaved are in danger of eternal damnation, though the Bible declares it so, it's why Christ came into this world - to save the sinner..

So basically your saying Islam, Christ makes no difference at all...

Christ would say, and has said, differently. So did the Apostles - none of them said we had no right to speak the truth of Scripture. In fact, they taught quite the opposite.

Forming an opinion based on facts isn't judging... it's discernment.

This is a strawman, did anyone say you couldn't speak?

You are accusing me of saying Islam and Christ make no difference at all, because you don't like what is being said - so you're re-arranging the ideas in a perverse manner so it can be about something else.

It took a while to realize what it was though.

thanks for the harassment, God bless.

So, if people's theology means they cannot forgive, does that mean hell?

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Change is inevitable, feel free to spare some.

Change is inevitable, feel free to spare some.

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