China could still be defeated, invaded, and conquered.

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What do the Chinese leaders want. World domination is what they want. To totally control every inch of the U.S..A. and every citizen. To work us 16hrs a day 7 days a week. No religion only propaganda. No freedom.
Obviously, it would be advantageous to remove such a threat by invading their country.

Ultimately, China could never rule the world because God is not on their side, but only the sons of Japheth could ever rule this earth (Genesis 9:27).

Chinese could never rule the world become they are not God's people at all. It is totally impossible and ridiculous to suggest it.
 
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Of course not. They certainly want authoritative influence over the US government, but, no, they don't want the bother of actually running the country themselves from Beijing.

Nor would the US want the bother of actually running running China from Washington DC.
If Europeans could rule Africa, Asia and Latin America during the Age of Imperialism in the 19th century, then there is no reason that America could not project its influence across the Pacific in order to subjugate the Chinese.

Except I do not believe that the Conquering nation should be the US.
 
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So, God can raise the dead, but can't be all in all without human military forces carrying out the hard work? That seems like some weak God stuff, to me.
For exactly the same reason that he told the Israelites to kill and displace the inhabitants of Canaan in Deuteronomy 20:16-17.

If he could do it by himself why would he need to command the Israelites to carry out the genocide?

Because God had intended humans to be Co-Creators alongside him, who are thereby apportioned a certain degree of responsibility to execute his plan.

Prior to the Creation of Adam, God would've done everything by himself.

Since the Creation of Adam, God was obliged to surrender a certain portion of his responsibility to human agencies.

In regards to the execution of his plan that responsibility is now shared between God and Man.

This answers your question.
 
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It's only difficult to see if one doesn't believe Christ will return in force with an army of angels to impose His will. There is nothing in scripture to suggest that any earthly nation--save that of the anti-christ--will accomplish it by force of arms.

Nor would there be any significant political or economic benefit in invading China. Now that the Chinese people know what it is to be a nation unto themselves (which they had not known prior to Mao), they will fight back from the national level to individual villages. That invasion would be a nightmare.

But let's presume some kind of miracle happens that allows the US as an earthly nation to de-stabilize the current regime. Well, an unstable China would be...like Afghanistan. Only larger with a lot more people. That invasion would still be a nightmare.

Controlling China would require putting half the population of the US into an occupying military force.

And what would be the benefit? Occupation is expensive.

Basically, it is still a public forum that is used by different interest groups who may be acting multilaterally to prevent all out war, but it won't serve to discourage me from starting this war in the long term.

All it requires is for me to surround myself with cabinet colleagues who are sympathetic to this cause, regardless of any opposition from the rest of the world.

Because I am sure that there are more than enough people in this country who would love to line their pockets by seizing China's sovereign wealth assets and private assets to make themselves very rich indeed.
 
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Is China going to lease us a major seaport and land for 5 or 10 years so that we can transport all the people, equipment, materials, fuel, ammunition, and other things that we will need in order to thoroughly defeat them in a short war?
The US alone has 13 carrier groups which would be capable of launching an all out amphibious invasion of China, although I am not suggesting that America should be the invading country.
 
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I suppose I'll grant that if the US successfully invaded and conquered China, China would then be more easily controlled by the US, at least for a short period of time. But it would be immoral for the US to conquer them merely because we felt like controlling them.



Okay. If you are able to call upon paranormal armies (angels?) to neutralize China's nuclear weapons, go for it. Please ask the armies of angels to neutralize all the world's nuclear weapons, while you're at it. Nuclear weapons are a terribly dangerous scientific advance, and nuclear disarmament has had only mediocre success, because (for good reasons) opposing nations don't really trust each other. I'd be happy for the angels to take care of it.



Jesus talked about this. The Kingdom of God is not one of military conquest. It is a way of sacrificial love that values and seeks the good of our neighbors, even those neighbors who are our enemies.
But you haven't cited the relevant scripture to support your bold letters.

On the contrary, Jesus said that he would come with a sword (Matthew 10:34), the war of Armageddon is a real war involving real violence, death, and destruction in accordance with the scripture (Revelation 19).

Is there any particular reason that you would advocate a peaceful solution instead of all out war, because any nation/group that doesn't have a proud military tradition such as France, Germany, and the UK are most certainly inferior to the Sons of Japheth (Genesis 9:27).

They are most certainly inferior to the Greeks and Romans, not to mention the Israelites.

Such a nation will never rule the world because they are cowards if they refuse to fight.
 
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The US alone has 13 carrier groups which would be capable of launching an all out amphibious invasion of China, although I am not suggesting that America should be the invading country.

Well that's good, I don't think we should invade China either.

I had no idea how formidable the US Navy is.
 
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But you haven't cited the relevant scripture to support your bold letters.

My bold letters said this:

Jesus talked about this. The Kingdom of God is not one of military conquest.

Jesus on loving our enemies: Luke 6:32-36 and Matthew 5:43-48.

Jesus on whether the foreigner and the stranger are my neighbors: Luke 10:29-37 and Matthew 25:31-46.

Jesus on whether it's appropriate for his followers to form a hierarchy of power and greatness: Mark 10:35-45, especially 42-43.

Jesus talking with Pilate about whether his kingdom is one of earthly power: John 18:18-38. Note also the temptation in Luke 4:5-8 and Matthew 4:8-11.
 
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My bold letters said this:



Jesus on loving our enemies: Luke 6:32-36 and Matthew 5:43-48.

Jesus on whether the foreigner and the stranger are my neighbors: Luke 10:29-37 and Matthew 25:31-46.

Jesus on whether it's appropriate for his followers to form a hierarchy of power and greatness: Mark 10:35-45, especially 42-43.

Jesus talking with Pilate about whether his kingdom is one of earthly power: John 18:18-38. Note also the temptation in Luke 4:5-8 and Matthew 4:8-11.
Obviously, I didn't bother to read your answer at all because your version of the Bible is clearly foreign and has nothing to do with Western civilisation at all.

No matter what you do or say in the here and now, no power on earth can avert this war, nor prevent the ultimate defeat, invasion, and surrender of China once I am Prime Minister.

Nothing can prevent the future assassination of China's President Xi Jinping, assuming he would still be alive in the next 20 years.
 
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(1) Harry Truman said that the 1949 Communist revolution represented the loss of China, which meant that the new regime would be less susceptible to American and western influences.

Short of the obvious economic exploitation, a mere reversal of this revolution would make China more easily controlled by America and Europe, which would remove the geopolitical threat of China.

(2) Since this political forum is within the wider context of a religious forum, I believe I am still entitled to mention occultism and the use of paranormal armies to sabotage China's nuclear weapons and neutralise its conventional armaments, which would make it relatively easy to defeat, invade, and conquer their country with the minimal amount of resistance (Isaiah 37:36; 2 Kings 19:35).

@Bouan Philippe

I see that you're not an American. So, I hope that you'll consider that what President Truman said in 1949 is pretty much dead and gone, much as he is. 1949 was a different world. I can't speak for the political powers of today, but surely, you being French must realize the catastrophe of trying to rule over a foreign country. (That's a reference to Vietnam) All America wants with China is fair trading. The former guy made a lot of noise about wanting to destroy China, but I think it's been pretty well settled that he wasn't particularly Harvard material when it came to foreign relations. Thankfully, he's gone.

But China is a nation of a lot of human beings that are just like you and I. They want to provide food and clothing and housing for their families. They want to live in security in their homes. I believe that if we are to ever get rid of nuclear weapons...it has to start with the United States of America. After all, we're the only nation that has ever actually used one to destroy people and so we have a known reputation that we're not above obliterating folks with our nuclear weapons. What country in their right mind, living with such a threat, would want to get rid of their nuclear weapons before we get rid of ours.

God bless,
Ted
 
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@Bouan Philippe

No matter what you do or say in the here and now, no power on earth can avert this war, nor prevent the ultimate defeat, invasion, and surrender of China once I am Prime Minister.

Well, here's hoping you never make it there. Suffer delusions of grandeur much?

God bless,
Ted
 
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But, but . . . during the invading and conquering bit, where would we get our inexpensive consumer goods from?

Also, Napoleon and Hitler discovered it is a bad idea to invade Russia in the winter. I suggest it is a bad idea to invade China in any season. Did you have a specific reason for wanting to invade, or just a dislike that your grandchildren will have to speak Mandarin if they want a decent job?
However, you seem to forget that my grandchildren would look like Iain Duncan Smith who is not required to speak Mandarin at all to land a top position within David Cameron's cabinet, but why should any European speak Mandarin (which is clearly inferior) to work inside the EU?

Since my grandchildren and descendants will look like Smith (or better) they could easily trounce President Xi Jinping and the Chinese people who are clearly inferior to the Sons of Japheth (Genesis 9:27).

Ultimately, if I am to be the future King of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, and all British dominions overseas with no knowledge of Mandarin whatsoever, then it stands to reason that my grandchildren would be in a similar situation if not better.

There is no reason to suppose that they should look like President Xi Jinping who is clearly inferior to the descendants of Japheth.

But in any case, they would certainly be strong enough to trounce any nation/group who are not the Sons of Japheth because the Biblical Moabites are clearly inferior to the Israelites, not to mention the Greeks and Romans.

God has the utmost contempt for President Xi Jinping and the Chinese people because they are probably the most evil people in this entire region (Sirach 12:6).
 
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What do the Chinese leaders want. World domination is what they want. To totally control every inch of the U.S..A. and every citizen. To work us 16hrs a day 7 days a week. No religion only propaganda. No freedom.

@CatsRule2020

You're not serious? China doesn't want world domination. China only wants better economic benefit from world trade. You've been drinking too much Kool-aid if you thing that China wants 'total control over every inch of the U.S.A and every citizen'. Man, is there a full moon out tonight or something?

God bless,
Ted
 
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Obviously, I didn't bother to read your answer at all because your version of the Bible is clearly foreign and has nothing to do with Western civilisation at all.

Do you mean the links to the American Standard Version of the passages that appeared in my post? Ignore the links. CF software turns Bible references into links; I didn't put them there, and I don't know why CF software chooses ASV as its default. Read the passages in a French translation, or whatever translation you normally use.

No matter what you do or say in the here and now, no power on earth can avert this war, nor prevent the ultimate defeat, invasion, and surrender of China once I am Prime Minister.

"Prime Minister": Do you hold office in the French government? Are you on a path to rise to higher office? I thought you were speaking hypothetically.

Nothing can prevent the future assassination of China's President Xi Jinping, assuming he would still be alive in the next 20 years.

Please tell me you are not an actual assassin.
 
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(2) Since this political forum is within the wider context of a religious forum, I believe I am still entitled to mention occultism and the use of paranormal armies to sabotage China's nuclear weapons and neutralise its conventional armaments, which would make it relatively easy to defeat, invade, and conquer their country with the minimal amount of resistance (Isaiah 37:36; 2 Kings 19:35).

I'd like more info on the use of paranormal armies to sabotage China's nuclear weapons thanks
 
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Do you mean the links to the American Standard Version of the passages that appeared in my post? Ignore the links. CF software turns Bible references into links; I didn't put them there, and I don't know why CF software chooses ASV as its default. Read the passages in a French translation, or whatever translation you normally use.



"Prime Minister": Do you hold office in the French government? Are you on a path to rise to higher office? I thought you were speaking hypothetically.



Please tell me you are not an actual assassin.
There is no de facto difference between a hired assassin and the person who hired him; both are guilty, and both are in it together.
 
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China could still be defeated, invaded, and conquered for the purpose of regime change if not for the sake of economic exploitation.

It can be precipitated by any significant country within NATO, which doesn't require a general mobilisation of all the countries within NATO.

Do you agree or not?
Absolute rubbish.
 
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(2) Since this political forum is within the wider context of a religious forum, I believe I am still entitled to mention occultism and the use of paranormal armies to sabotage China's nuclear weapons and neutralise its conventional armaments, which would make it relatively easy to defeat, invade, and conquer their country with the minimal amount of resistance (Isaiah 37:36; 2 Kings 19:35).
Of course you're entitled to mention that your grand strategy would include casting a spell on china.

You're just not entitled to be taken seriously.
 
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