Purpose of the sabbath

LoveGodsWord said:

Agreed let the reader decide (please see post # 315 linked) perhaps you missed it. Perhaps it is also time that we should consider reading Matthew 7:1-5. You have been the one ignoring all my questions and posts to you Carl as proven in the linked post above. Not me to you. If something is not clear to you perhaps you should pray about it or ask further questions to those writing to you for clarity.

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Frankly I don't believe your theology and don't respond in detail to avoid being embroiled in your diatribe.

I would welcome honest dialogue rather than a verse fest but you seem to be afraid of that.

Post #260 was an invitation to seriously consider important issues at the heart of this debate but you refuse to engage.

I have an open heart to correction.

You present as one with all the answers - even with an air of infallability.

Take off your armour and relate as brothers and we may discover some treasures in the Word.

Jesus will look after you, there is nothing to be afraid of...

Carl Emerson said:

Frankly I don't believe your theology and don't respond in detail to avoid being embroiled in your diatribe.

I would welcome honest dialogue rather than a verse fest but you seem to be afraid of that.

Post #260 was an invitation to seriously consider important issues at the heart of this debate but you refuse to engage.

I have an open heart to correction.

You present as one with all the answers - even with an air of infallability.

Take off your armour and relate as brothers and we may discover some treasures in the Word.

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Yes Carl this is your standard response to all the scriptures that have been shared with you and sent only in love only as a help to you that disagree your words that are not Gods' Word. I have asked you many time in the posts and scriptures shared with you what is it from the scriptures that have been shared with you that you disagree with yet all I hear is silence. For me this is telling as it shows your argument is not with me but the scriptures that have been shared with you. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29. So we will of course agree to disagree and let Gods Word judge between us as it is written in John 12:47-48. I do not believe you are open to what I would share with you from the scriptures just the same as I do not believe Gods' Word is diatribe.

Take care Carl

Those who try and keep the old law of Moses are still in the shadows. Still veiled.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The new testament tells us exactly when the law of Moses will be fulfilled.

Galatians 3:22-26 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Jesus Christ.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Christ fulfilled the old law when faith in Him came. We are no longer under a schoolmaster(the Mosical law, old covenant).

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth(Faith).

Christ has fullfilled, ended abolished the old covenant, the law of Moses. Therefore to bind any of the old law is to be separated from Christ.Our faith must be in Christ and His new law, His will and testament.

Galatians 5:1;6
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage(old law of Moses).

Christ is become of no effect unto you. whosoever of you are justified by the law(old law of Moses); ye are fallen from grace.

LGW... The wisdom from above is open to reason (James 3:17)

You do not display the fruit of wisdom.

We should all be careful to hear the warnings from God's Word (I include myself in these words). It is written in Isaiah 6:9-10 that Jesus and Paul quote in Matthew 13:14-15 and Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 "Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed." and again "Many are called but few are chosen". This is because the many that are called close their eyes and ears to seeing and hearing God's Word so that he may heal them. Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. God's Word is where wisdom comes from but many do not want to see or hear it.

Titus Dorn said:

Those who try and keep the old law of Moses are still in the shadows.

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What old laws of Moses?

LoveGodsWord said:

What old laws of Moses?

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You don't know what the old covenant, the law of Moses is? Why are you always teaching if you have not learned?

How many covenant's are there?

LoveGodsWord said:

What old laws of Moses?

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Colossians 2:14-17
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(law of Moses) that was against us and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross.

And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or drink, or in respect of an Holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

Which are a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Now all you can do is explain away these verses. You cannot teach what Paul taught and be consistent with your sabbatarian false doctrine.

LoveGodsWord said:

It is written in Isaiah 6:9-10 that Jesus and Paul quote in Matthew 13:14-15 and Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 "Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed." and again "Many are called but few are chosen". This is because the many that are called close their eyes and ears to seeing and hearing God's Word so that he may heal them. Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. God's Word is where wisdom comes from but many do not want to see or hear it.

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Wisdom listens to reason - this is what you are consistently refusing to do.

Engage on an even footing with other believers and we will discover much together.

Remaining in your armour making pronouncements and claiming higher ground is not the Way of the Cross.

Carl Emerson said:

Given that I had 11 years away from seeking to daily serve Him and then returned as a prodigal son I suggest that the wilful sin needs to be pretty serious for the welcome of the Father to be beyond reach.

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Yes, we have a very forgiving Father. There does come a point when we can grieve away the Holy Spirit when we stop obeying and don't want to obey. Only God knows when that is. For people who are searching for God's Truth there is always hope. God bless

Titus Dorn said:

You don't know what the old covenant, the law of Moses is? Why are you always teaching if you have not learned?
How many covenant's are there?

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No I never said that so please do not pretend that I have. I asked you what do you think made up the old covenant laws that are not applicable to the new covenant and why? (scripture please)

Titus Dorn said:

Colossians 2:14-17
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances(law of Moses) that was against us and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross.

And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or drink, or in respect of an Holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

Which are a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Now all you can do is explain away these verses. You cannot teach what Paul taught and be consistent with your sabbatarian false doctrine.

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Not really dear friend. It is unbiblical teachings that have been explained away by showing within scripture context and reference to the old testament scriptures that Colossians 2:16-17 is referring to that has already been addressed with a detailed scripture response showing that Colossians 2:16 is talking about the sabbaths plural in the Feast days, not God's 4th commandment in post # 240 linked. While post # 253 linked shows why it is impossible for God's 4th commandment to be a "shadow law" of anything, as it points backwards not forwards to things to come and was made before sin and God's plan of salvation (including shadow laws pointing to the body of Christ). The scriptures provided in the linked posts show many who try to pull scripture from context to make it say things it was never saying and is not biblical. This is the reason why I asked you what do you think made up the laws in the old covenant and what has changed under the new covenant. For example do you know that the old covenant had many different kinds of sabbaths that were tied to the yearly cycle (not weekly) and could fall on any day of the week that were not Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments in the old covenant? All I am hearing though from you and some others is silence. I wonder why that is?

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ It is written in Isaiah 6:9-10 that Jesus and Paul quote in Matthew 13:14-15 and Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 "Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed." and again "Many are called but few are chosen". This is because the many that are called close their eyes and ears to seeing and hearing God's Word so that he may heal them. Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. God's Word is where wisdom comes from but many do not want to see or hear it.

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Your response here...

Carl Emerson said:

Wisdom listens to reason - this is what you are consistently refusing to do. Engage on an even footing with other believers and we will discover much together. Remaining in your armour making pronouncements and claiming higher ground is not the Way of the Cross.

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Not according to the scriptures you are quoting from that is not true at all. What do you think the scriptures you are quoting from are saying from Isaiah, Jesus and Paul? There is no wisdom outside of Gods' Word for those who reject it and do not want to see or hear Gods' Word according to the scriptures. If you believe sharing the scriptures in love to another and telling the truth when it is not popular is taking the higher ground Carl perhaps you should come up here too, as the view is very nice in God's presence. Only God's Word is true (Romans 3:4). Nothing else really matters. Your mistaken if you think the way of the cross is not through the Word of God. According to the scriptures "Many are called but only the few are chosen" - Matthew 22:14. That is, we are all called by the Word of God that does the calling. The few that are the chosen are only those who believe and follow it. "God's sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear and do not follow are not His sheep according to John 10:26-27.

Something we should all pray about.

SabbathBlessings said:

Yes, we have a very forgiving Father. There does come a point when we can grieve away the Holy Spirit when we stop obeying and don't want to obey. Only God knows when that is. For people who are searching for God's Truth there is always hope. God bless

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Personally I believe that Jer 32:40 applies to us in the New Covenant and the indwelling fear of Him prevents us from straying too far.

LoveGodsWord said:

Your response here...

Not according to the scriptures you are quoting from that is not true at all. What do you think the scriptures you are quoting from are saying from Isaiah, Jesus and Paul? There is no wisdom outside of Gods' Word for those who reject it and do not want to see or hear Gods' Word according to the scriptures. If you believe sharing the scriptures in love to another and telling the truth when it is not popular is taking the higher ground Carl perhaps you should come up here too, as the view is very nice in God's presence. Only God's Word is true (Romans 3:4). Nothing else really matters. Your mistaken if you think the way of the cross is not through the Word of God. According to the scriptures "Many are called but only the few are chosen" - Matthew 22:14. That is, we are all called by the Word of God that does the calling. The few that are the chosen are only those who believe and follow it. "God's sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear and do not follow are not His sheep according to John 10:26-27.

Something we should all pray about.

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You are the King of the 'straw man'... forever attributing to me beliefs I have not expressed.

Personally I am coming to the conclusion that you are incapable of loving dialogue which is very sad.

I feel very sorry for you...

Carl Emerson said:

Frankly I don't believe your theology is inspired because it divides the body of believers.

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Jesus separated and will separate believers. Goats from the His sheep. To His right hand and to the left condemned to everlasting destruction.

Carl Emerson said:

You are the King of the 'straw man'... forever attributing to me beliefs I have not expressed.

Personally I am coming to the conclusion that you are incapable of loving dialogue which is very sad.

I feel very sorry for you...

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You spend to much time talking about the people you speak to

LoveGodsWord said:

It is not Gods' will that we sin but if any man sins we have an advocate with the father Jesus Christ the righteous *1 John 2:1. Repentance is always possible while we are alive and living (thief on the cross) though no one knows when our time is over. Anyone of us by Gods grace can receive Gods' forgiveness through repentance, and confession of sins and faith in Gods' promises (see Acts 2:38; 1 John 1:9; John 3:16). It is only known unrepentant sin that is not forgiven according to the scriptures and keep us out of God's kingdom *Hebrews 10:26-31.

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Personally I think the Spirit of the Fear of Him within prevents us from losing our salvation. However we can stray and miss out on the blessings of the Kingdom, but that is a different matter.

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You spend to much time talking about the people you speak to

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Nonsense, this is a unique situation after 300 odd posts, I hardly ever comment on others, but in this case the matter is extreme.

Carl Emerson said:

You are the King of the 'straw man'... forever attributing to me beliefs I have not expressed.

Personally I am coming to the conclusion that you are incapable of loving dialogue which is very sad.

I feel very sorry for you...

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Really Carl and what beliefs am I attributing to you that you do not believe? There is only loving dialogue in sharing Gods' Word if Gods' Word is not ignored or rejected and there is a two way loving discussion. For me, sadness is when people openly reject or ignore, God's Word and for me I feel sorry for them because they are not rejecting me but God though I am sure many cannot see this. As posted earlier, we should all be careful to hear the warnings from God's Word (I include myself in these words). As shown earlier it is written in Isaiah 6:9-10 that Jesus and Paul quote in Matthew 13:14-15 and Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27 "Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed." and again "Many are called but few are chosen". This is because the many that are called close their eyes and ears to seeing and hearing God's Word so that he may heal them. As posted earlier there is no loving dialogue for those who reject Gods' Word and refuse to hear it according to the scriptures. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear and our words do not really matter. Only Gods' Word is true, but many do not want to hear that. They want to talk about peace and safety until sudden destruction comes when it is too late and there is only weeping and gnashing of teeth. Of course you are free to believe as you wish.

Take care Carl.