Jesus is the Reason for Calvinism

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There are numerous Bible verses and quotations from the church fathers supporting the five points of Calvinism. The doctrines of grace are simply a convenient way of articulating what’s already revealed in the Bible.

It’s only called “Calvinism” because John Calvin popularized the doctrines of grace, he did not originate them. It’s the same doctrines that Augustine taught against Pelagius and Luther taught against Rome.


Most importantly, since Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2), we should look to the words of Jesus and see if they support the doctrines of grace.

Irresistible grace doesn’t mean that God’s elect will never rebel, but that God’s grace is powerful enough to overcome the elect’s rebellion, transform their wills and desires, and lead them to ultimate salvation.

Here are just a few verses from the Gospels:

Total Depravity (Total Inability)

Matthew 7:18
A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3
3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.
19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

John 8:34
Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires.

Unconditional Election

Matthew 11:27
All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

Matthew 20:23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.”

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 22:16
So they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are sincere, and teach the way of God in accordance with truth, and show deference to no one; for you do not regard people with partiality.
(Unconditional election is entirely contingent on God’s grace, rather than partiality to anything in the individual.)

Matthew 24
22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 26:24
The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.

Mark 10
10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!”

Mark 13
20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

Luke 18:7
And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them?

John 6
64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

John 8:47
Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.

John 12
37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him,
38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
“Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”

John 13:18
I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 15:16
You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

John 17
2 Since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.
6 I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Limited Atonement (Definite Atonement, Particular Redemption)

Matthew 1:21
And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Luke 1:68
Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people

John 10
11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep

John 11
49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all,
50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.”
51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation,
52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.

John 15
13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends

John 17:9
I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.

Irresistible (Enabling, Efficacious) Grace

Matthew 3:9
and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children of Abraham from these stones.

Matthew 19
25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Matthew 22:37
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!“
(“You” is the religious authorities, while “your children” refers to God’s elect among the nation of Israel, whom Jesus gathers like a hen under His wings.)

Mark 9:24
Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”

Luke 14:23
And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

Luke 17:5
And the apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith.”

Luke 19
5 When Jesus came by, he looked up at Zacchaeus and called him by name. “Zacchaeus!” he said. “Quick, come down! I must be a guest in your home today.” 6 Zacchaeus quickly climbed down and took Jesus to his house in great excitement and joy. 7 But the people were displeased. “He has gone to be the guest of a notorious sinner,” they grumbled. 8 Meanwhile, Zacchaeus stood before the Lord and said, “I will give half my wealth to the poor, Lord, and if I have cheated people on their taxes, I will give them back four times as much!” 9 Jesus responded, “Salvation has come to this home today, for this man has shown himself to be a true son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek and save those who are lost.”

Luke 24
16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.
31 Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight.
45 And He opened up their minds, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

John 3:27
John answered, “A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven.

John 5
21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 6
37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws (Greek helkó, "to drag") him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever
17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

John 15:26
But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

John 16
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment
13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Preservation/Perseverance of the Saints

Matthew 6:13
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.

Matthew 10:22
And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Matthew 18
12 “What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?
13 And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off.
14 In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Luke 22:32
But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren

John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.

John 5:24
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 6
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

John 10
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

John 18
8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he. If you are looking for me, then let these men go.”
9 This happened so that the words the had spoken would be fulfilled: “I have not lost one of those you gave me.”

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The preaching of the Gospel is the means God has ordained to awaken faith in His elect. (Matthew 28:19) Some of the greatest missionaries and evangelists have been Calvinists.


I’m not here to convince non-Calvinists that they must follow Calvinism. I just want them to at least understand its Biblical and historical foundations, so that they will be less likely to condemn Calvinism for something that it isn’t.

If your apartment building was burning down, and a firefighter died while saving you but not your neighbor, what would your proper response be?

Should you gripe and grumble about how unfair it was that the firefighter gave up his life for you, but not your neighbor? Or should you be thankful for his sacrifice?

There is nothing unfair about God’s sovereignty in election.(Romans 9:21) No one who desires to be saved will be turned away. (John 6:37) If you sincerely care about your salvation, that’s a sign you are among God’s elect.

With all this in mind, let’s take a look at the Lord’s Prayer:

In Matthew 6:9, we are asking for God’s name to be hallowed, that the hearts of God’s people will be changed by His grace, so that they will give Him all the glory.

In Matthew 6:10, we are asking that God’s will be done, not our own, on earth as it is in heaven. We are praying for God’s people to do His will, through His enabling grace.

In Matthew 6:11, we are asking that God’s grace free us to trust in His provisions, so that we will not worry over how we are to eat and drink. (Matthew 6:25)

In Matthew 6:12, we are asking God, through His grace, to enable us to forgive our neighbor’s sins, so that our own sins will be forgiven as well. (Matthew 6:14-15)

In Matthew 6:13, we are asking God for the enabling grace which turns us away from the temptations of sin and the wiles of the evil one, the devil.

If you are an Arminian who loves Jesus, that’s awesome. Your love for God matters more than the rightness of your theology. May God’s will be done in your own life too.

1 Corinthians 8:2-3
Anyone who claims to know all the answers doesn’t really know very much. But the person who loves God is the one whom God recognizes.
 
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Nice bait. Is it red herring you're fishing for or something of a little more substance?

I'm not trying to have a debate with you.

Calvinism doesn’t need to be defended. It just needs to be clearly articulated, directly from the Bible, and whoever has ears to hear will hear it:
What is Calvinism and is it biblical? What are the five points of Calvinism? | GotQuestions.org

There’s no point to Calvinism if it can’t be articulated from the Bible. There are numerous passages of scripture supporting the five points of Calvinism, and whoever has ears to hear, let them hear. Matthew 11:15, Matthew 13:9, Matthew 13:43, Mark 4:9, Luke 8:8, Luke 14:35

I’m not here to convince non-Calvinists that they must follow Calvinism. I just want them to at least understand its Biblical and historical foundations, so that they will be less likely to condemn Calvinism for something that it isn’t.

If you are an Arminian who loves Jesus, that's awesome. As the slogan of the Reformation goes, “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.”

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There are numerous Bible verses and quotations from the church fathers supporting the five points of Calvinism. The doctrines of grace are simply a convenient way of articulating what’s already revealed in the Bible.

It’s only called “Calvinism” because John Calvin popularized the doctrines of grace, he did not originate them. It’s the same doctrines that Augustine taught against Pelagius and Luther taught against Rome.

Calvinism is not a denomination. It's a system of soteriology, based on the Bible, the church fathers, and the Protestant Reformers, that transcends denominational divisions.

Most importantly, since Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2), we should look to the words of Jesus and see if they support the doctrines of grace.

Calvinism is important to me because it's supported by the Bible, and also because of its great benefits. I have never felt more loved by Jesus in my entire life, and I've never felt more secure in my salvation. I am so thankful, that it makes me want to live in love and obedience to Jesus.

Irresistible grace doesn’t mean that God’s elect will never rebel, but that God’s grace is powerful enough to overcome the elect’s rebellion, transform their wills and desires, and lead them to ultimate salvation. John Newton, the songwriter of "Amazing Grace" was a Calvinist.

To believe that Jesus chose me from before the foundation of the world, based on no merit on my part whatsoever, not even my free-willed efforts to believe or disbelieve, and that He will safely lead me to ultimate salvation and never abandon me, no matter how many times I might fall, is very liberating and also very humbling.

Here are just a few verses from the Gospels:

Total Depravity (Total Inability)

Matthew 7:18
A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3:19
And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

John 8:34
Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires.

Unconditional Election

Matthew 11:27
All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

John 6:65
And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

John 15:16
You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Matthew 26:24
The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.

Limited Atonement (Particular Redemption)

Matthew 1:21
And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

John 11
11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep

John 11
49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all,
50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.”
51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation,
52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.

John 15
13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends

John 17:9
I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.

Irresistible (Enabling, Efficacious) Grace


Matthew 19
25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

John 3:8
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.


John 6
37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws (Greek helkó, "to drag") him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Preservation/Perseverance of the Saints

John 5:24
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 6
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [a]by no means cast out.

John 10
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

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The preaching of the Gospel is the means God has ordained to awaken faith in His elect. (Matthew 28:19) Some of the greatest missionaries and evangelists have been Calvinists.

Augustine taught that it was impossible for man to be saved without grace, apart from God IOW. He did not teach that grace was irresistible.
 
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Augustine taught that it was impossible for man to be saved without grace, apart from God IOW. He did not teach that grace was irresistible.

Augustine (A.D. 370): “Faith itself is to be attributed to God…Faith is made a gift. These men, however, attribute faith to free will, so grace is rendered to faith not as a gratuitous gift, but as a debt…They must cease from saying this.”
Calvinism in the Early Church (The Doctrines of Grace taught by the Early Church Fathers) | Reformed Theology at A Puritan's Mind
And yet further, lest it should be imagined that faith itself is to be attributed to men independently of the grace of God, the apostle says: "And that not of yourselves; for it is the gift of God."...
These men however, attribute faith to free will in such a way as to make it appear that grace is rendered to faith not as a gratuitous gift, but as a debt—thus ceasing to be grace any longer, because that is not grace which is not gratuitous.
Augustine of Hippo in 418

As I said before, irresistible grace doesn’t mean that God’s elect will never rebel, but that God’s grace is powerful enough to overcome the elect’s rebellion, transform their wills and desires, and lead them to ultimate salvation.

Augustine was the theologian quoted most often by Martin Luther and John Calvin. It could rightly be said that Protestantism was nothing more than a revival of Augustinianism.
 
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If it’s entirely God’s choice whom to save, then no one is beyond God’s power to save, no matter how bad things might seem. Like Jonah in the whale and Paul on the Damascus road, nothing can thwart God’s will to save. (Matthew 19:26)
 
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One of the teachings of Calvinism that seems horribly inconsistent to me is their understanding of "irresistible grace"--which teaches that the chosen can't resist God's grace.

If the chosen can't resist (irresistible grace), how is it that they still sin... because clearly, that's not God's will for us:

"God's will is for you to be holy." {1 Thessalonians 4:3 NLT}

"God's saving grace has appeared to all people. It (God's saving grace/irresistible grace) teaches us to say no to godless ways and sinful longings. We must control ourselves. We must do what is right. We must lead godly lives in today's world." {Titus 2:11, 12 NIrV}

Clearly, in my mind at least, whenever you fail to "say no to godless ways and sinful longings," and whenever you fail to "do what is right," and whenever you fail to "live a godly life," you're resisting God's grace.
 
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As I said before, irresistible grace doesn’t mean that God’s elect will never rebel, but that God’s grace is powerful enough to overcome the elect’s rebellion, transform their wills and desires, and lead them to ultimate salvation.

Augustine was the theologian quoted most often by Martin Luther and John Calvin. It could rightly be said that Protestantism was nothing more than a revival of Augustinianism.
The Catholic Church continues to teach the view you quoted Augustine as having. Man cannot turn himself to God. Faith is a supernatural gift of grace. But man can still say no to Him; he can reject the gift. Read the canons of the 2nd Council of Orange sometime, based largely on his teachings against Pelagianism.
The Canons of the Second Council of Orange (529)
 
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God’s grace is powerful enough to overcome the elect’s rebellion, transform their wills and desires, and lead them to ultimate salvation.
and whenever you fail to "do what is right," and whenever you fail to "live a godly life," your resisting God grace.
I can be delirious out in a desert without water or food or shelter from the sun and the night cold; and along comes a locomotive at eighty miles per hour. And indeed I can resist that locomotive, by standing against it on the train track. But the locomotive can slow down and bump me just enough so I am on the ground but not mutilated; then they can load me on the train, right while I resist their helping me; but then they fix me and I can rest in the ride of the locomotive.

I resisted the locomotive, and they did what I could not stop them from doing. And this is a good thing :)

If a plant is drooping and in danger of drying out . . . sunlight can effect the plant so it draws up water to make it stand up and uses the water and sunshine and air to grow. But the plant is resisting those effects, right while the sunshine's energy is overcoming the plant so it stands up and grows.

Work is against resistance >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

So, our Apostle Paul says God "works" in our wills. Is not work against the resistance of the nature of the thing being worked??

Not like with a puppet, though > for God causes us to come alive in our wills . . . alive in His love so we are submissive to Him. But, yes, our love-deadness resisted Him, but He won.
 
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If it’s entirely God’s choice whom to save, then no one is beyond God’s power to save, no matter how bad things might seem. Like Jonah in the whale and Paul on the Damascus road, nothing can thwart God’s will to save. (Matthew 19:26)
If it’s entirely God’s choice whom to save, why would His huge Love result in everyone being saved?

The fact, not all are saved, means something other than just God choosing determines who is lost and saved.
 
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This is a message that both Calvinists and Arminians should remember:

1 Corinthians 8:2-3
Anyone who claims to know all the answers doesn’t really know very much. But the person who loves God is the one whom God recognizes.
 
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John 13:18 is probably the hardest saying of Jesus in support of unconditional election. Judas betrayed Jesus because he was never really chosen in the first place.

This goes against every standard of human fairness. I don't want people to believe it if it makes them think less of Jesus.
 
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If it’s entirely God’s choice whom to save, why would His huge Love result in everyone being saved?

The fact, not all are saved, means something other than just God choosing determines who is lost and saved.

Have you read Romans 9?

Romans 9:10-24
10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
 
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One of the teachings of Calvinism that seems horribly inconsistent to me is their understanding of "irresistible grace"--which teaches that the chosen can't resist God's grace.

Irresistible grace doesn't mean that God's elect will never sin. It means that God's grace can ultimately overcome our rebellion, turning us from unbelieving to believing, and that, once believing, there will be evidence of sanctification, by the power of the Holy Spirit. But there's no Biblical promise that true believers will never sin.

This is from the 1689 London Baptist Confession, which was adapted from the Westminster Confession:

The most wise, righteous, and gracious God doth oftentimes leave for a season his own children to manifold temptations and the corruptions of their own hearts, to chastise them for their former sins, or to discover unto them the hidden strength of corruption and deceitfulness of their hearts, that they may be humbled; and to raise them to a more close and constant dependence for their support upon himself; and to make them more watchful against all future occasions of sin, and for other just and holy ends. So that whatsoever befalls any of his elect is by his appointment, for his glory, and their good.
( 2 Chronicles 32:25, 26, 31; 2 Corinthians 12:7-9; Romans 8:28 )
1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith | The Reformed Reader

Because of God's irresistible grace, God's elect, though they might sometimes sin, will never irreversibly fall away.
 
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The Catholic Church continues to teach the view you quoted Augustine as having. Man cannot turn himself to God. Faith is a supernatural gift of grace. But man can still say no to Him; he can reject the gift. Read the canons of the 2nd Council of Orange sometime, based largely on his teachings against Pelagianism.
The Canons of the Second Council of Orange (529)

Unlike the Catholic church today, Augustine taught that God preserves His elect:

Of these believers no one perishes, because they were all elected. And they were elected because they were called according to the purpose–the purpose, however, not their own, but God’s…Obedience then is God’s gift…To this, indeed, we are not able to deny, that perseverance in good, progressing even to the end, is also a great gift of God.
Calvinism in the Early Church (The Doctrines of Grace taught by the Early Church Fathers) | Reformed Theology at A Puritan's Mind

Augustine wrote extensively on the perseverence/preservation of the saints:

Chapter 10 All Perseverance is God's Gift.
Chapter 11 They Who Have Not Received the Gift of Perseverance, and Have Relapsed into Mortal Sin and Have Died Therein, Must Righteously Be Condemned.
Chapter 12 They Who Have Not Received Perseverance are Not Distinguished from the Mass of Those that are Lost.
Chapter 14 None of the Elect and Predestinated Can Perish.
Chapter 15 Perseverance is Given to the End.

Chapter 16 Whosoever Do Not Persevere are Not Distinguished from the Mass of Perdition by Predestination.
Chapter 17 Why Perseverance Should Be Given to One and Not Another is Inscrutable.
CHURCH FATHERS: On Rebuke and Grace (St. Augustine)

The teaching of the Catholic church on election today is not the same as what Augustine taught. If it were, you wouldn't be disputing it. The Catholic church, as an institution, isn't obligated to agree with everything Augustine wrote and said.
 
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There are numerous Bible verses and quotations from the church fathers supporting the five points of Calvinism. The doctrines of grace are simply a convenient way of articulating what’s already revealed in the Bible.
The Gospel of the Kingdom is all about the works which happen after we repent. I've taken your verses in black and matched them with verses in purple. Because all of this comes down to one verse: If ye love Me keep My Commandments.

Matthew 7:18
A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


Matthew 11:27
All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
John 14:15-17 If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


John 15
13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends

John 15:3-5 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in Me. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in Me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without Me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

John 6
37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws (Greek helkó, "to drag") him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto Me.


John 5:24
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

John 10
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.
 
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Because all of this comes down to one verse: If ye love Me keep My Commandments.

There are numerous passages in the New Testament showing that good works are the sign, rather than the condition, of our election in Christ.
 
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There are numerous Bible verses and quotations from the church fathers supporting the five points of Calvinism. The doctrines of grace are simply a convenient way of articulating what’s already revealed in the Bible.

Jesus is the reason for the Bible.

Calvinism and Calvin's Institutes are not quite the same thing - Calvinism and the five points are more of a distillation of Calvin's theology given in the Institutes. Unless the five points are properly articulated there can be problems and misunderstandings. Some theologians have also noted some differences in English Calvinism which is mediated more from Theodore Beza through the works of William Perkins, and differs in some significant ways from Calvin. RT Kendall wrote a book on this : Calvin and English Calvinism.

I have time for Spurgeon (who seemed to align with Calvinism to some extent) because he was a great preacher and pastor, not an academic theologian. And he goes by the Bible not theologians.
 
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Jesus is the reason for the Bible.

Calvinism and Calvin's Institutes are not quite the same thing - Calvinism and the five points are more of a distillation of Calvin's theology given in the Institutes. Unless the five points are properly articulated there can be problems and misunderstandings. Some theologians have also noted some differences in English Calvinism which is mediated more from Theodore Beza through the works of William Perkins, and differs in some significant ways from Calvin.

Galatians 2:7-9 Romans 15:8 Matthew 26:13 say there are two different gospels.
 
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