Unvaccinated hospitalized patients say they regret not getting the shot

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But the practice of attributing non-Covid deaths to Covid is done in multiple places. Oregon, for example.

PORTLAND, Ore. — Fred Creasy was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer at the end of June. Doctors gave the 81-year-old just 30 days to live. He died at the end of July while in hospice care at Avamere Rehabilitation Facility in Newport.

“They told my daughter you better come down here because it's going to be today. And within five hours he was gone,” said daughter Rhonda McCrary.
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Other families across Oregon are also questioning why their loved ones are being counted as COVID-19 deaths, including the family of a 26-year-old Oregon man who was listed as a COVID-19 death but tested negative for the virus.

We consider COVID-19 deaths to be:

Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge.

Deaths in which COVID-19 is listed as a primary or contributing cause of death on a death certificate.

We count COVID-19 deaths this way because the virus can often have effects on an individual’s health that may complicate their recovery from other diseases and conditions, even injuries, and indirectly contribute to their death. Another reason is because OHA is using this data to track the spread of the disease, and to create actionable steps for stopping its spread.

Dying with COVID and dying from COVID are same thing in Oregon | kgw.com
 
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How about something that's been around since I was in junior high ( 40 years ) and kills over 1,000,000 people worldwide every year ( AIDS )?
Tuberculosis that kills over 1,400,000 worldwide every year, and same thing.

Smoking ( 480,000 ), alcoholism ( 95,000 ), tetanus ( 200,000+ ), heart disease ( 647,000 Americans alone, each and every year ), influenza ( over 600,000 worldwide and 36,000-61,000 Americans each and every year and we have vaccines for those ), natural disasters ( 60,000 worldwide ), cancer ( 9.5 million worldwide ), traffic accidents ( 35,000 to 40,000 Americans a year ), 137,000 Americans a year from strokes...

...and 619,591 abortions in America alone, completely preventable.

Respectfully,
Where is the concern about all of that?

Not only is this pure whataboutism, but it is abundantly obvious to anyone living in a western society that people and governments DO care about these things and have enacted legislation or laws to deal with every single one of them.

The true irony is those people who argue against doing anything about COVID - yet would react in horror if society decided not to bother about any of the other issues you listed.
 
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That many of those who profess Christ seem perfectly willing to abandon their trust in Him and place most of their hopes in man-made medicines and methods of containment during this current crisis, saddens me.

That is hands-down the worst argument against vaccines. But if we're going down this road, then let's start with people who own guns.
 
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Then listen to what he says:

"COVID 19 will be an issue, at least for awhile in the USA and world. Since more than 80 percent of people who get it don’t develop any symptoms or mild cold symptoms, it can be passed by people who are healthy and don’t even know they have it." Dr. Nedley’s Recommendations for Coronavirus – Weimar University

So wear a mask!
I don't disagree with what he said at all but I don't agree with you that MASKS work so I don't wear them. Did you hear the part about the NAC, Zinc & Elderberry?
 
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I don't disagree with what he said at all but I don't agree with you that MASKS work so I don't wear them. Did you hear the part about the NAC, Zinc & Elderberry?

You yourself put up a link that said that masks work. This last link you put up warned you that you may be asymptomanic and may well infect other people if you don't wear a mask. You don't even trust the information that you put up yourself. And you expect us to trust it?

And you nominate yourself as a master herbalist. Can you tell us something of your qualifications so that we can trust the information you give us?
 
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You yourself put up a link that said that masks work. This last link you put up warned you that you may be asymptomanic and may well infect other people if you don't wear a mask. You don't even trust the information that you put up yourself. And you expect us to trust it?

And you nominate yourself as a master herbalist. Can you tell us something of your qualifications so that we can trust the information you give us?
There is no proof that masks work to keep HEALTHY people well. They help unhealthy people from spreading germs. And I know, you are going to say that "no one knows when they have this virus, they might have it two weeks before they come down with it." I'm healthy, my immune system is working, I've been around plenty of people who have had Corona and I didn't get it. I'm not going to wear a mask the rest of my life JUST IN CASE. You are free to do that. Please alowl me the same FREEDOM.

I went through Dr. Christopher's School of Natural Healing back in 2000. I've learned alot over the years and I am still learning.

You specialize in TWISTING and trying to catch people up, and in avoiding points that are made, so in the future, I'll just avoid discussions with you.
 
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I'm healthy, my immune system is working, I've been around plenty of people who have had Corona and I didn't get it.

Wow. You've been in contact with people who had it and you still refused to wear a mask? It takes a week before sympoms appear and you might well have been asymptomanic for two weeks and infected dozens of people. And each of them in turn could have infected dozens more.

Your total disregard for the safety of others and rejection of basic safety procedures tells us all how we should treat any claims you make.
 
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I don't disagree with what he said at all but I don't agree with you that MASKS work so I don't wear them. Did you hear the part about the NAC, Zinc & Elderberry?

Blackberry is just as much an antiviral as elderberry, and far cheaper. But it has only been shown to be antiviral in vitro. That's far different from saying that it's effective against COVID-19 in an actual patient. It won't hurt you to take as a supplement, but it's not a substitute for vaccination or medical care.

I don't understand how NAC could be an adequate substitute for vaccination. . At best, NAC is being used as an experimental adjuvant treatment along with conventional care, for elderly COVID-19 patients.
 
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Denialism is a defense mechanism. People who are in denial are not yet prepared to accept the reality of what has been happening.
Yeah, but how afraid of getting a simple shot must one be to come up with this level of denialism?
 
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Not only is this pure whataboutism, but it is abundantly obvious to anyone living in a western society that people and governments DO care about these things and have enacted legislation or laws to deal with every single one of them.

To be fair, conservatives spent a lot of time denying that AIDS was real or that we needed to do anything about it. Seems there's at least some consistency in their response to new health threats.
 
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Yeah, but how afraid of getting a simple shot must one be to come up with this level of denialism?
Absolutely terrified.
Or, as they would say it, they trust in their diety.
 
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And despite this "problem", the official numbers still lag the excess death counts by a good margin.

Nearly a third of people in the United States are apparently not going in for routine healthcare during the COVID-19 pandemic.

A recent poll from the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) reported that 29 percent of Americans are avoiding or delaying medical care due to fear of contracting the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2.

Experts say that trend could lead to an increase in the number of people who die due to the pandemic but not directly from the virus itself.
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The researchers say the number of excess deaths isn’t necessarily attributable directly to COVID-19, but it could include people who were too frightened to seek treatment for unrelated illnesses due to the pandemic.


Excess Deaths: People Are Dying Because of COVID-19 but Not from It (healthline.com)

Delay or Avoidance of Medical Care Because of COVID-19–Related Concerns — United States, June 2020 | MMWR (cdc.gov)
 
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I've been around plenty of people who have had Corona and I didn't get it.

that’s great. However, hopefully you are not an asymptotic carrier that transmitted to others unknowingly.

Do believe covid is spread by only symptomatic people?
 
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that’s great. However, hopefully you are not an asymptotic carrier that transmitted to others unknowingly.

Do believe covid is spread by only symptomatic people?

We're safe. The berries will protect us...
 
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I laugh at people calling us afraid of a disease that kills .6% when they are freaked out about a vaccine that doesn't even kill .6% of .6%.

The anti-vax math just doesn't add up.
 
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