Unvaccinated hospitalized patients say they regret not getting the shot

Bradskii · Jul 11, 2021

honestal said:
It all depends on who you believe.

Do you think there's any possibility the FDA is paid off by big pharmaceutical?

I assure you: They most certainly are?

As they say: Follow the money.

I reckon the FDR is being paid off by Lieber's:

Today, it's blueberry. Once they have you hooked on those bad boys then tomorrow we'll all be buying elderberry. Sales will be off the chart. Pie chart of course.

KCfromNC · Jul 11, 2021

Navair2 said:
I'm not.

You're posting here but don't believe it works to post here? Interesting choice.

Snipped rule-breaking questioning of moderation policies.

KCfromNC · Jul 11, 2021

The Narrow Way said:
I'm not going to live in fear of something that shows NO SYMPTOMS.

How about something which killed 600,000 Americans last year? Care a bit about helping to control that issue, or would that also be living in fear?

Again, we have an example of the effectiveness of propaganda which targets people who seem to be very very concerned that some random stranger might think that the target is ever afraid of something. Kinda weird that people are so concerned about this, but I can't ignore how often this projection of a profound fear of being perceived as being afraid shows up here.

KCfromNC · Jul 11, 2021

Navair2 said:
The problem is, it's not an almost zero-risk needle.

OK, it is a 0.000x% risk middle. I guess add or subtract however many 0s it takes to make that not almost-zero rationalize an irrational fear of the vaccine.

KCfromNC · Jul 11, 2021

Oompa Loompa said:
This pandemic is the only pandemic in the history of ever in which healthy people are expected to be quarantined.

Huh? Where did this happen?

KCfromNC · Jul 11, 2021

Oompa Loompa said:
yep...the way I figure, if you choose not to get vaccinated for whatever reason, COVID19 is your personal problem.

As long as that person quarantines themselves to avoid making it other peoples' problems as well.

I could have sworn another post said that approach to controlling the disease was a bad idea...

KCfromNC · Jul 11, 2021

The Narrow Way said:
I couldn't agree with you more! I've always been nice to people who come knocking on my door... But when the CENSUS guy came last Fall with a long list of questions...I told him I no longer trusted the govt. and wouldn't answer his questions. He got real nice and said if I only told him how many people lived in our house he would leave. I told him and he left.

I'm going to put up a NO TRESPASSING SIGN at the end of our driveway and when they come knocking on my door I'm going to tell them they have no business being there and that it's time for them to leave PRONTO.

Interesting reaction to people simply providing factual information about a medical issue.

KCfromNC · Jul 11, 2021

honestal said:
You shouldn't make fun of what you don't know about.

If you do some research you'll find out that many reputable medical professionals tout the benefits of zinc, NAC, and elderberry--as a defense against the virus.

They also say the vaccine is a pretty solid choice.

wing2000 · Jul 11, 2021

honestal said:
It all depends on who you believe.

Do you believe any professionally trained individuals?

Bobber · Jul 11, 2021

FireDragon76 said:
I believe you should be able to refuse vaccinations in the abstract, however, unvaccinated people do not have the right to endanger the health of society by rejecting vaccines.

You either believe they have a right to say no to a vaccine or you don't. Please stop talking like a politician.

Society has every right to ensure that we are protected from a pandemic.

Which means what? What measure would you take to ensure society is protected and remember those other people ARE members of society too. Do they not have rights that should be protected as well? And if they're not longer viewed as society or a part of THE PEOPLE....than just what are they?

Navair2 · Jul 11, 2021

KCfromNC said:
As long as that person quarantines themselves to avoid making it other peoples' problems as well.

Healthy people quarantining themselves to avoid making people sick;
Is that what it's coming to?

KCfromNC said:
How about something which killed 600,000 Americans last year? Care a bit about helping to control that issue, or would that also be living in fear?

How about something that's been around since I was in junior high ( 40 years ) and kills over 1,000,000 people worldwide every year ( AIDS )?
Tuberculosis that kills over 1,400,000 worldwide every year, and same thing.

Smoking ( 480,000 ), alcoholism ( 95,000 ), tetanus ( 200,000+ ), heart disease ( 647,000 Americans alone, each and every year ), influenza ( over 600,000 worldwide and 36,000-61,000 Americans each and every year and we have vaccines for those ), natural disasters ( 60,000 worldwide ), cancer ( 9.5 million worldwide ), traffic accidents ( 35,000 to 40,000 Americans a year ), 137,000 Americans a year from strokes...

...and 619,591 abortions in America alone, completely preventable.

Respectfully,
Where is the concern about all of that?

As I see it, when people deal with those, we can discuss COVID-19...
Yet another "flu bug" that will be with us for the foreseeable future, if not the rest of our lives;

However long the Lord gives us.

Navair2 · Jul 11, 2021

All,
Modern medicine and preventable measures cannot even keep up with the number of deaths in this world, and all the frenzied activity, vaccine mandating and so forth will never do more than make a very small dent in the death rate...
Which is 100% no matter how we look at it.

" And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" ( Hebrews 9:27 ).

" God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." ( Acts of the Apostles 17:24-31 ).

When mankind can deal with the worst problem facing us ( God's wrath and coming judgment on us, as a race, for our sins ), and do so successfully, perhaps then we can talk about the short-term problems.

loveofourlord · Jul 11, 2021

Navair2 said:
Healthy people quarantining themselves to avoid making people sick;
Is that what it's coming to?

How about something that's been around since I was in junior high ( 40 years ) and kills over 1,000,000 people worldwide every year ( AIDS )?
Tuberculosis that kills over 1,400,000 worldwide every year, and same thing.

Smoking ( 480,000 ), alcoholism ( 95,000 ), tetanus ( 200,000+ ), heart disease ( 647,000 Americans alone, each and every year ), influenza ( over 600,000 worldwide and 36,000-61,000 Americans each and every year and we have vaccines for those ), natural disasters ( 60,000 worldwide ), cancer ( 9.5 million worldwide ), traffic accidents ( 35,000 to 40,000 Americans a year ), 137,000 Americans a year from strokes...

...and 619,591 abortions in America alone, completely preventable.

Respectfully,
Where is the concern about all of that?

As I see it, when people deal with those, we can discuss COVID-19...
Yet another "flu bug" that will be with us for the foreseeable future, if not the rest of our lives.

Thing is, they aren't healthy people, statistically they are not, if they want to become potential carriers to a deadly disease then they need to up themselves away from those that don't want them spreading a deadly disease. And actually this already is common practice, many places won't allow unvaccinated kids to enter such as child care, some schools, pediatritions and such. If you want to be a selfish uncaring person, then you can be, just not on other peoples dimes or lives.

FireDragon76 · Jul 11, 2021

Navair2 said:
Healthy people quarantining themselves to avoid making people sick;
Is that what it's coming to?

With SARS-Cov-2, nobody can know for sure who is sick and who isn't, because there's so much asymptomatic transmission.

KCfromNC · Jul 11, 2021

Navair2 said:
Healthy people quarantining themselves to avoid making people sick;
Is that what it's coming to?

Yep, if they're not willing to use other methods to stop infecting others.

How about something that's been around since I was in junior high ( 40 years ) and kills over 1,000,000 people worldwide every year ( AIDS )?

Let me know when I can catch AIDS from being near someone who is asymptomatic. Until then, seems like a pretty unformed comparison.

Tuberculosis that kills over 1,400,000 worldwide every year, and same thing.

Same what, exactly?

Smoking ( 480,000 )

Is not allowed in indoor public areas where I live. Is your intention in mentioning it to draw a parallel to a recommendation for unvaccinated individuals.

alcoholism ( 95,000 ), tetanus ( 200,000+ ), heart disease ( 647,000 Americans alone, each and every year ), influenza ( over 600,000 worldwide and 36,000-61,000 Americans each and every year and we have vaccines for those ), natural disasters ( 60,000 worldwide ), cancer ( 9.5 million worldwide ), traffic accidents ( 35,000 to 40,000 Americans a year ), 137,000 Americans a year from strokes...

If your point is that the threshold for serious action is below the death count for covid, I'm not going to disagree. If that isn't your point, seems like a pointless diversion, except maybe to attempt to minimize the very real suffering of people who have had covid.

...and 619,591 abortions in America alone, completely preventable.

Yeah, comprehensive sex ed, free contraception for teens and a well funded welfare system would certainly help. Not sure why you'd bring it up here, though, seems apples to oranges given that pregnant women don't spread pregnancy to others.

Where is the concern about all of that?

Thanks for asking. Places like these are a mere google search away.
American Heart Association
Where to Find FluMist Quadrivalent | FluMist® Quadrivalent (Influenza Vaccine Live, Intranasal)
American Red Cross

I'm sure whatever point you're wondering about can be answered by them and similar organizations. What I'm less sure about is whether, after dispensing with these off topic diversions, if my points will be similarly addressed.

KCfromNC · Jul 11, 2021

Navair2 said:
All,
Modern medicine and preventable measures cannot even keep up with the number of deaths in this world, and all the frenzied activity, vaccine mandating and so forth will never do more than make a very small dent in the death rate...
Which is 100% no matter how we look at it.

So yeah, what's the point of even trying, right?

Despite that, I'm guessing you look both ways before crossing the street or use stairs instead of just jumping out of buildings.

Navair2 · Jul 11, 2021

loveofourlord said:
If you want to be a selfish uncaring person, then you can be, just not on other peoples dimes or lives.

I've never said that I don't care about other people;
The truth is that I do.

In addition, statistically I am a healthy person who has only had the flu a few times in my life, and I haven't been vaccinated in years.
I also am not averse to getting a vaccine...
I'm against getting these vaccines that were developed using methods that manipulate DNA.

What I'm also taking issue with is this current " everyone should get vaccinated or we're all going to die" mentality that seems to be taking over nowadays...
Have we really come that far?

Nithavela · Jul 11, 2021

Navair2 said:
I've never said that I don't care about other people;
The truth is that I do.

In addition, statistically I am a healthy person who has only had the flu a few times in my life, and I haven't been vaccinated in years.
I also am not averse to getting a vaccine...
I'm against getting these vaccines that were developed using methods that manipulate DNA.

What I'm also taking issue with is this current " everyone should get vaccinated or we're all going to die" mentality that seems to be taking over nowadays.

The truth is that even without vaccines, the mortality rate for COVID-19, just in America alone, has been only roughly .6%.
In other words, this is not the mass killer that we were led to believe that it could be, early on.

Yet, there are people out there who think it's their duty to remind everyone that "we're all in this together" and that if we don't all pitch in, this illness will kill us all...
It won't and it hasn't.

The survival rate for COVID-19 is better than 99%, yet people are still trying to get everyone vaccinated with these new vaccines that haven't even had time to prove themselves out.
For example,
We're just now hearing of heart inflammation and other adverse side effects, and to me, those are just the tip of the iceberg.

What I'm recommending is that we as Christians ignore all the hype and trust Him for our lives.
The truth is, God is in control of who lives and who dies, and nothing we can do, in and of ourselves, will ever change that.

That's not "fatalism", that's the Bible.

Job 7:1
Job 12:10
Job 14:5
Job 14:14
Psalms 31:15
Psalms 139:16
Ecclesiastes 3:2

The least that we as Christians can do is to believe in Him and trust in HIM.
If you don't want to do that, then I don't know what else to recommend.

May God bless you in many ways.

Would you please stop repeating the lie that mRNA vaccines manipulate the DNA?

Navair2 · Jul 11, 2021

The truth is that even without vaccines, the mortality rate for COVID-19, just in America alone, has been only roughly .6%.
In other words, this is not the mass killer that we were led to believe that it could be, early on.

Yet, there are people out there who think it's their duty to remind everyone that "we're all in this together" and that if we don't all pitch in, this illness will kill us all...
It won't and it hasn't.

The survival rate for COVID-19 is better than 99%, yet people are still trying to get everyone vaccinated with these new vaccines that haven't even had time to prove themselves out.
For example,
We're just now hearing of heart inflammation and other adverse side effects, and to me, those are just the tip of the iceberg.

What I'm recommending is that we as Christians ignore all the hype and trust Him for our lives.
The truth is, God is in control of who lives and who dies, and nothing we can do, in and of ourselves, will ever change that.

That's not "fatalism", that's the Bible.

Job 7:1
Job 12:10
Job 14:5
Job 14:14
Psalms 31:15
Psalms 139:16
Ecclesiastes 3:2

The least that we as Christians can do is to believe in Him and trust in HIM.
If you don't want to do that, then I don't know what else to recommend.

May God bless you in many ways.

Strathos · Jul 11, 2021

You know what's ironic? A few years ago, right-wingers were saying that we shouldn't accept refugees and immigrants from other countries because they could be carrying diseases. But now when it's themselves and not foreign brown people who are the topic, they insist they should be allowed to go around infecting everyone they want.

Unvaccinated hospitalized patients say they regret not getting the shot

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