When Elijah Comes

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Malachi 4:
4
Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.

When Elijah comes, will he make himself known to anyone?
In Jerusalem? The World?
Will those who do not look for him be blind to him?
Will all who wait on the Lord and His return recognize
and hear the words of Elijah?
 

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Malachi 4:
4
Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.

When Elijah comes, will he make himself known to anyone?
In Jerusalem? The World?
Will those who do not look for him be blind to him?
Will all who wait on the Lord and His return recognize
and hear the words of Elijah?
Elijah already came, Jesus said so in the gospel.
 
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Elijah already came, Jesus said so in the gospel.
Luke 1:17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
John the baptist was not Elijah, he was the son of Zacharias, and Elizabeth.
Here is what Jesus said.
Matthew 17:
11
Jesus answered and said to them, Indeed, Elijah is coming and will restore all things.
(note:John has already been beheaded at this time)
12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him
whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.
13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.
John came in the spirit and power of Elijah to be the forerunner to the Lord, fulfilling
Isaiah 40:3, and Malachi 3:1 See Mark 1:1-3.
When Elijah comes, he will restore all things, as it is stated, and remains unfulfilled.

Acts 3:
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Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times
of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before,
21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things,
which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
 
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11 Jesus answered and said to them, Indeed, Elijah is coming and will restore all things.
(note:John has already been beheaded at this time)
12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already
This is just a mode of speech.

Jesus answered their question directly then corrected their underlying understanding issue stating that he actually already came.

So he came, Jesus said so.
 
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This is just a mode of speech.
Okay, in a manner of speaking he has come already. Jesus said so. The scriptures also clarify
this by saying in Luke 1:17 that John came "in the spirit and power of".
Elijah also appeared on the mount of transfiguration, long after John had been beheaded.
Peter states clearly in Acts 3 that the Lord will remain in heaven until after 'the restoration
of all things spoken of by the prophets". Believe what you want, but saying "Jesus said so"
only conveys your level of comprehension of the scriptures. What did John restore?
How can John the baptist literally be Elijah? As stated, you sense a "mode of speech"
but not the underlying message. The apostles would not be around to see the actual
Elijah return to restore all things, so it was not their concern. Peter understood this later
by his statement in Acts 3. The prophecy of Malachi remains unfulfilled. If Jesus did not
have "an Elijah" at his first coming, that would have testified against Him being Messiah.
Watch this, Jesus reads from Isaiah 61:

Luke 4:
17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book,
He found the place where it was written:
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.
Do you see where He stopped? Here is the actual verse in Isaiah:
Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,
And the day of vengeance of our God.
We see the first and second coming mentioned in one verse, literally one breath,
and Christ proclaiming He is fulfilling only "the acceptable year".

The first and second coming are both prophesied. Christ is careful to
only proclaim the first.


 
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Okay, in a manner of speaking he has come already. Jesus said so. The scriptures also clarify
this by saying in Luke 1:17 that John came "in the spirit and power of".
Elijah also appeared on the mount of transfiguration, long after John had been beheaded.
Peter states clearly in Acts 3 that the Lord will remain in heaven until after 'the restoration
of all things spoken of by the prophets". Believe what you want, but saying "Jesus said so"
only conveys your level of comprehension of the scriptures. What did John restore?
How can John the baptist literally be Elijah? As stated, you sense a "mode of speech"
but not the underlying message. The apostles would not be around to see the actual
Elijah return to restore all things, so it was not their concern. Peter understood this later
by his statement in Acts 3. The prophecy of Malachi remains unfulfilled. If Jesus did not
have "an Elijah" at his first coming, that would have testified against Him being Messiah.
Watch this, Jesus reads from Isaiah 61:

Luke 4:
17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book,
He found the place where it was written:
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.
Do you see where He stopped? Here is the actual verse in Isaiah:
Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,
And the day of vengeance of our God.
We see the first and second coming mentioned in one verse, literally one breath,
and Christ proclaiming He is fulfilling only "the acceptable year".

The first and second coming are both prophesied. Christ is careful to
only proclaim the first.

I don't accept that the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah, their role isn't restorative anyway.

Jesus said "when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?" Luke 18:8

So there is no restoration to come from an Elijah character.

After the lake of fire, the one on the throne says "behold I make all things new"

This is the restoration of all things.
 
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I don't accept that the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah, their role isn't restorative anyway.

Jesus said "when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?" Luke 18:8

So there is no restoration to come from an Elijah character.

After the lake of fire, the one on the throne says "behold I make all things new"

This is the restoration of all things.
I made no mention of the two witnesses of Revelation, but duly noted.
 
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When it comes to the transfiguration who was was seen Moses and Elijah? With Jesus in between both of them. This was the fulfillment of the law of Moses and of the prophets of old in which (who was with him when this happened seen). It was a picture of the law of Moses being fulfilled and what was spoken of the coming of the messiah fulfillment and it was now time to looks towards Jesus Christ who became the high priest. Thoughts ?
 
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When it comes to the transfiguration who was was seen Moses and Elijah? With Jesus in between both of them. This was the fulfillment of the law of Moses and of the prophets of old in which (who was with him when this happened seen). It was a picture of the law of Moses being fulfilled and what was spoken of the coming of the messiah fulfillment and it was now time to looks towards Jesus Christ who became the high priest. Thoughts ?
Matthew 11:
12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence,
and the violent take it by force.

13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14 And if you are willing to receive, he is Elijah who is to come.
15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Does "all the prophets and the law prophesied until John" mean that all is fulfilled?
Or does it mean that all prophecy has been given? Either way, where does that leave
the book of Revelation?
Concerning John, the expression "if you are willing to receive' implies a fuller comprehension
is required than what His disciples had at that time. The testimony is clear on this, they could
not be taught everything yet.

John 16:
12
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth;
for He
will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and
He will tell you things to come.
The Spirit of truth, like the testimony of Jesus Christ, is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10
 
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When Elijah comes, will he make himself known to anyone?
In Jerusalem? The World?
Will those who do not look for him be blind to him?
Will all who wait on the Lord and His return recognize
and hear the words of Elijah?

" Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
( Matthew 11:11-15 ).

Elijah already came in the person of John the Baptist, and I believe he will come again as one of the two witnesses.
 
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" Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
( Matthew 11:11-15 ).
Just discussed in post #9. Good scripture! Thanks.
 
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The fullness of time came with Jesus too.


Galatians 4:4-7
English Standard Version

4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.


Mark 1:15 TLV
“Now is the fullness of time,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near! Turn away from your sins, and believe in the Good News!”
 
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The fullness of time came with Jesus too.
Watch this, Jesus reads from Isaiah 61:
Luke 4:
17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book,
He found the place where it was written:
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.
Do you see where He stopped? Here is the actual verse in Isaiah:
Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,
And the day of vengeance of our God.
We see the first and second coming mentioned in one verse, literally one breath,
and Christ proclaiming He is fulfilling only "the acceptable year".

The first and second coming are both prophesied. Christ is careful to
only proclaim the first.
 
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Malachi 4:
4
Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.

When Elijah comes, will he make himself known to anyone?
In Jerusalem? The World?
Will those who do not look for him be blind to him?
Will all who wait on the Lord and His return recognize
and hear the words of Elijah?
One of the two witnesses will likely be Elijah. The true Elijah, because....

The false prophet will likely be claiming to be Elijah at the same time.

The Jews set a plate and cup for Elijah at their passover meal every year as they expect him to part of the beginning of the messianic age.

The Jews also believe that a known prophet will anoint the messiah as the King of Israel.

It would stand to reason that the false prophet as the perceived Elijah will anoint the little horn person, following Gog/Magog, as the King of Israel. That is what actually makes the person the Antichrist - the King of Israel, but coming in his own name.
 
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Upon the children of disobedience; the children of Israel who rejected the messiah and who’s blood was on their hands thus the wrath would be poured upon them.
Yes and Amen. As it is written:
Matthew 23:
31
Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered
the prophets.

32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt.
33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,
35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of
righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the
temple and the altar.

36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

And on whose head will fall all the righteous blood shed since then?
He came to save the world, but many rejected Him, and killed the ones
he sent, and continues to send.
 
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