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Enduring is my savior? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of.‬‬

The "stupidest" thing you'll find on this forum, is your posts that talk about "self saving" trying to pretend this is the Grace of God and the "gift of Salvation".
And you'll do it again, as you have nothing else to offer.
 
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Yes and what did He say after that in the very same conversation?

““I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit,

Bible "noobs" can't made the distinction between.

1. Allegory
2. Parable
3. Literal
4. Symbolic

Welcome to religion.
 
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We must act in cooperation with His grace not act against it.

No, you must be born again.

Your "acting" is the problem.
Once you stop acting, and learn what Christ has accomplished as "it is finished", then you'll begin your discipleship.
When do you think that will happen?
 
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You are not believing the Lord, nor me.
You are believing you.

So you say. When you reject all the warnings from Lord Jesus to remain faithful, and then put the blame on someone else for your rejection of His Words, that makes your words heresy.
 
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The "stupidest" thing you'll find on this forum, is your posts that talk about "self saving" trying to pretend this is the Grace of God and the "gift of Salvation".
And you'll do it again, as you have nothing else to offer.

He never posted anything about self-saving. I have been reading his posts.
  • God saves us as we believe in His Son.
  • The faith God accepts is demonstrated by being a Christian.
  • Christian means disciple.
  • Disciple means to listen to and follow
  • The blood of Lord Jesus cleanses those who follow Lord Jesus, walking in His light.
A Gospel Faith in Lord Jesus, by which God saves us is, therefore, a faith by which we listen to and follow Lord Jesus. That is the only faith by which God will save you.

You have continually called this legalism, and self-saving. The Scriptures call this, "The Gospel."

John 8:12 (WEB) 12 Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. [Isaiah 60:1] He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.”

1 John 1:6-9 (WEB) 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not tell the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
 
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  • The blood of Lord Jesus cleanses those who follow Lord Jesus, walking in His light.

You just posted "self saving".
You just accused God falsely of only using the blood of Jesus to cleans those who doing something.
You misused the verse.

See that?
That's Legalism.

Try to understand, that when a Person goes to the Cross, they are accepted as "UNGODLY">.., not as, ive been good for a while.

Jesus came to save SINNERS, not the Righteous, as none are righteous.
And the same blood of God that saved them, when they first believed as a ungodly sinner, is the same holy Blood that keeps on saving them, for as long as God lives.
 
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You just posted "self saving".
You just accused God falsely of only using the blood of Jesus to cleans those who doing something.
You misused the verse.

See that?
That's Legalism.

Try to understand, that when a Person goes to the Cross, they are accepted as "UNGODLY">.., not as, ive been good for a while.

Jesus came to save SINNERS, not the Righteous, as none are righteous.
And the same blood of God that saved them, when they first believed as a ungodly sinner, is the same holy Blood that keeps on saving them, for as long as God lives.

So you say. I will believe the Scriptures.

What you call self-serving, God calls "The Gospel."

1 John 1:6-9 (WEB) 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not tell the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
 
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1 John 1:6-9 (WEB) 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not tell the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

Let me show you that verse, so that you can at least understand it.
Ok?

Notice, it says.....>""walk in the Light", as the context of "fellowship, and being cleansed from all sin".

Now, how do you become "in the Light", which is to walk in it, so that you are CLEANSED?

Is that by confessing sin? no.
Is that by being the first in Church, every sunday? no.
Is that by wearing a blue shirt or a blue dress, when you go to church? no.
Is walking in the Light, trying to be a good boy and girl? no

So, if DOING something is not how you walk in the light , then how do you do it?

You do it be becoming this...

""As Jesus is, so are the born again , in this world"..

Notice ....>IS"? As Jesus IS.
See THAT?
So, how do you become as Jesus IS?
You become born again., as when you do that, then this happens...

"Jesus is the LIGHT of the World", and the born again, are 'Children of the LIGHT"< by Spiritual Birth.
 
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Let me show you that verse, so that you can at least understand it.
Ok?

Notice, it says.....>""walk in the Light", as the context of "fellowship, and being cleansed from all sin".

Now, how do you become "in the Light", which is to walk in it, so that you are CLEANSED?

Is that by confessing sin? no.
Is that by being the first in Church, every sunday? no.
Is that by wearing a blue shirt or a blue dress, when you go to church? no.
Is walking in the Light, trying to be a good boy and girl? no

So, if DOING something is not how you walk in the light , then how do you do it?

You do it be becoming this...

""As Jesus is, so are the born again , in this world"..

Notice ....>IS"? As Jesus IS.
See THAT?
So, how do you become as Jesus IS?
You become born again., as when you do that, then this happens...

"Jesus is the LIGHT of the World", and the born again, are 'Children of the LIGHT"< by Spiritual Birth.
Let me show you that verse, so that you can at least understand it.
Ok?

Notice, it says.....>""walk in the Light", as the context of "fellowship, and being cleansed from all sin".

Now, how do you become "in the Light", which is to walk in it, so that you are CLEANSED?

Is that by confessing sin? no.
Is that by being the first in Church, every sunday? no.
Is that by wearing a blue shirt or a blue dress, when you go to church? no.
Is walking in the Light, trying to be a good boy and girl? no

So, if DOING something is not how you walk in the light , then how do you do it?

You do it be becoming this...

""As Jesus is, so are the born again , in this world"..

Notice ....>IS"? As Jesus IS.
See THAT?
So, how do you become as Jesus IS?
You become born again., as when you do that, then this happens...

"Jesus is the LIGHT of the World", and the born again, are 'Children of the LIGHT"< by Spiritual Birth.

You believe that we are born again by faith, right?

The faith of the Gospel includes repentance,
  • renouncing the old life,
  • committing to follow Lord Jesus
That is what the Gospel Faith is - to be a follower of Lord Jesus.

If you fall away from the faith, are you still born again? No.

Why not? The reason is a person is only born again by faith demonstrated by renouncing sin and following Lord Jesus.

Hebrews 10:26-30 (WEB) 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.29 How much worse punishment do you think he will be judged worthy of who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the Blood of The Covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of Grace? 30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance belongs to me. I will repay,” says the Lord. [Deuteronomy 32:35] Again, “The Lord will judge HIS people.” [Deuteronomy 32:36; Psalms 135:14]
 
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You believe that we are born again by faith, right?

No.

Im born again by the Spirit of God.

Let me explain.

Faith is not the Savior.
God is the Savior.
Faith does not save you.
God saves you through your faith.
 
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Oh I’m sorry I misread that. Yes I completely agree that the enemy can blind people who aren’t willing to hear God’s words.

“And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Well then, I guess Paul would consider me blinded by the enemy.

Good thing for me Matthew 24:14 and Galatians 2:7-9 exist.
 
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So you say. Who shall I believe, you or Lord Jesus?

You saw the words, warnings, commands, and admonitions of Lord Jesus to the Churches that I quoted in the very message you responded to; yet, you refuse to believe Lord Jesus' instruction.

So, for me, the decision is easy. I know I am saved by the grace of God through faith in Lord Jesus. As well, I am responsible to my Lord to remain faithful to Him to the end to be counted worthy by my Lord to share in His resurrection onto life that He purchased for us with His own blood.

Titus 2:11-14 (WEB)
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we would live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present age; 13 looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify for himself a people for his own possession, zealous for good works.

No Passage in the entire Bible teaches that God guarantees our faith to the end. Rather, the believers are admonished, commanded, and warned to remain faithful, to stand firm in the faith, to remain saved, and to receive eternal life.

No Passage states that once you are born again, you are born again forever, guaranteed.

If I believed God guarantees my faith and salvation to the end because of a past act of faith, then I would feel little motivation to be very careful to remain faithful to follow and obey Him. After all, if my salvation is guaranteed, and since I would be perfect in Heaven anyway, what purpose would there be to continually deny my passions in this earth, and to live a holy life before Him as the Gospel demands?

The Pauline Gospel warns the Christian that he is responsible for his faithfulness to the end to be eternally saved. But, you, go on your way and continue denying the inspired Words of God.

Galatians 6:9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we do not give up.

1 Timothy 4:16 (WEB)
16 Pay attention to yourself and to your teaching. Continue in these things, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 (WEB) 4 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron

Romans 11:20-22 (WEB)
20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith.
Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

Hebrews 3:13-15 (WEB)
13 but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called “today”, lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence firm to the end, 15 while it is said,
Today if you will hear his voice, do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion.” [Psalm 95:7-8]

Hebrews 12:25 (WEB) See that you (the Christians for whom the letter was written) do not refuse him who speaks. For if they (those OT Israelites) did not escape when they refused him who warned on the earth, how much more will we (the Christians for whom the letter was written) not escape who turn away from him who warns from heaven

Hebrews 10:35-38 (WEB)
35 Therefore do not throw away your boldness, which has a great reward. 36 For you need endurance so that, having done the will of God, you may receive the promise

Hebrews 4:11 (WEB)
11 Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that Rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.

Hebrews 4:1
(WEB)
Let us fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into his Rest.

2 Corinthians 13:5
(WEB) 5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you — unless, of course, you fail the test?

2 Corinthians 11:2
(WEB) For I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy. For I married you to one husband, that I might present you as a pure virgin to Christ. 3 But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve in his craftiness, so your minds might be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus, whom we didn’t preach, or if you receive a different spirit, which you didn’t receive, or a different “good news”, which you didn’t accept, you put up with that well enough.

You are not believing the Lord, nor me.
You are believing you.

John 6:68-69 Then Simon Peter answered Him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. John 12:48-50 Matthew 16:18
 
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When you turn the offer of the FREE Gift of Salvation, into, "the false gospel of im earning it, and keeping it by SELF", then you contradict the Grace of God.

Your earning it just as much by believing to keep yourself saved.
 
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Your earning it just as much by believing to keep yourself saved.


You dont keep yourself saved by believing.
God saves you initially because you gave him your faith.
He accepts this, to save you from that day on.

When you go to the Cross, and trust in Christ, ...God takes that faith as "faith is accepted as Righteousness".
Notice you didnt have any Righteousness?
So, God accepts your faith to Give you His....and the person then becomes "the Righteousness of God".
This is God giving a BELIEVER, "the gift of Righteousness".
This is literally Christ the Righteous, coming to join His Spirit, with the believers, which causes the "new Creation". = born again.
 
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