You Believe In Freedom?

GallagherM said:

So there are many people who may think that they can be a righteous judge over others, when the ultimate Judge is God our Father. He sees peoples hearts individually, and that means for the people who are believers and unbelievers. There is freedom even so in Christ Jesus but in the bible it omits us from continuing in the practice of sin and instead live to righteousness. Believing that is true; why is it that a scripture by Paul states that all things are lawful but not everything is helpful or good to, as an Apostle of faith and a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ?

Paul states all things are lawful; that means he is able to partake in all things but however not all things are good to partake in. That sounds like freedom of Choice to me. There are people who believe if a person whom may be a believer yet they are stuck in a particular sin or whatever it might be that they keep could be drugs, alcohol, could be not sometimes having love for others and sometimes not, God does know the heart of the individual. That when a believer who might do a specific sin will not go on to be with God after this life.

Why is that? Why would someone look at another person who is a professed believer and maybe they are simply just a child believer rather than a mature believer think that person will be simply be cut away and not still be able to have access to God? Was not that man a professed believer, yet you judge them as though they are not? They will get to go be with God regardless of one might say or think about that person. Would you like to know why? Because God is good, he is just, fair, merciful, and compassionate, and God knew what that person would do from the start of their life to the end of their life.

God is just so He will reward them by their faith even if it is the smallest measure of faith; and all that man or woman did was reap to the flesh and only a little to the spirit by having faith even though they might have not be able to overcome whatever it was they were facing in life due to the circumstances which God foreknew in the first place.

To say they will not enter the kingdom of heaven even though they might have trouble in their flesh and where simply a child of God, is simply mind blowing. There is no reward for indulging the flesh but there is reward for loving God and others, by the spirit if you walk by the spirit. Who is to say those who have faith but are like children do not walk by the spirit here and there but sometimes indulge their flesh?

Do you not believe in Freedom, and that God is a just God who will judge righteously?

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You're right, we should not be judging each other as only God is our judge. We should however be teaching each other God's Word. If someone chooses to reject God's Word that is their choice and we should never force someone to believe something. God gave us free will and this new generation today of persecuting others for not believing the way they do is ridiculous (not just religious values).

We are told to repent from our sins Mathew 24:46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things.

What is sin? Transgressing God's laws 1 John 3:4

True repentance means turning from sin, asking God to give us a changed heart and the Holy Spirit to help us obey God's Words and laws.

We will all be righteously judged by Jesus. I believe He is coming back soon, the world is destroying itself!

God bless!

GallagherM said:

Paul states all things are lawful; that means he is able to partake in all things but however not all things are good to partake in.

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You are talking about 1 Corinthians 6:12 >

"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." (1 Corinthians 6:12)

"All things to me are lawful, but not all things do profit; all things to me are lawful, but not I will be brought under the power of any."

So, yes Paul says there are things it is not good to partake in. But this does not mean only bad things.

He says that we should not be under the power of anything. So, I see, even if something is a good thing, it can be bad for me if I am under the power of it.

GallagherM said:

There are people who believe if a person whom may be a believer yet they are stuck in a particular sin or whatever it might be that they keep could be drugs, alcohol, could be not sometimes having love for others and sometimes not

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This is a good point you make about how it is wrong for a person to be "sometimes having love for others and sometimes not". Because Jesus wants us to love any and all people, all the time.

And love "hopes all things", we have in 1 Corinthians 13:7. I trust this means that God's love has us have hope for any person: we never give up on anyone.

GallagherM said:

There are people who believe if a person whom may be a believer yet they are stuck in a particular sin or whatever it might be that they keep could be drugs, alcohol, could be not sometimes having love for others and sometimes not, God does know the heart of the individual. That when a believer who might do a specific sin will not go on to be with God after this life.

Why is that? Why would someone look at another person who is a professed believer and maybe they are simply just a child believer rather than a mature believer think that person will be simply be cut away and not still be able to have access to God? Was not that man a professed believer, yet you judge them as though they are not? They will get to go be with God regardless of one might say or think about that person. Would you like to know why? Because God is good, he is just, fair, merciful, and compassionate, and God knew what that person would do from the start of their life to the end of their life.

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You are right that we must not condemn a person who says he or she is a believer but lives the wrong way. But, also, in my opinion, we need to not guarantee that that person will go on to be with God. Because not only does God's word guarantee that we will be with Jesus, if we get saved, but also we are guaranteed how our Father will succeed in correcting us.

Hebrews 12:4-14 guarantees how God will succeed in correcting every one of His children. If we have trusted in Jesus, God is our Father, now, and He does not fail to deeply correct our character so we "become partakers of His holiness" in His love's "peaceable fruit of righteousness". This is basic to how we become in God's love, with Jesus living in our hearts.

"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons." (Hebrews 12:8)

So, this is about how God is able and therefore guarantees every child of God to get His real correction.

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

If we are joined to Jesus in us, He is sure to effect how our character becomes. But there are people who join to churches and then go along with what they are told to do, but they do not become joined to Christ in their spirit!! And they can be given labels of "saved" and "believer" and even "child of God", and guaranteed Heaven no matter how they sin, even. I have heard this talk. But they are not told how God's word guarantees His own correction in His children; instead, they only say "don't judge" people who are not being truly corrected.

So, Biblical salvation is not about my own free will getting me to change my acting and reform my thinking, but we need to be "in subjection to the Father of spirits and live" (in Hebrews 12:4-14). So, this is not about me just saying a prayer so I can label myself a believer, and it is not about works I get myself to do. But a person needs to trust Jesus for salvation, and trusting Jesus includes that we submit to Him so He does what He knows He desires to do with us >

"Therefore submit to God." (in James 4:7)

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29)

So, yes Jesus says to come to Him, plus to submit to Him in His "yoke", so we are personally now with Jesus in submission to Him with "rest" for our souls. We are not just guaranteed Heaven, later, but we are guaranteed correction now, so we have "rest" with Jesus now.

We are with Him now, then, not only hoping to see Him later.

And His correction changes us to become and to love like Jesus "in this world" >

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

So, our Biblical reason to have "boldness in the day of judgment" is that "we" "first trusted in Christ" (Ephesians 1:12) and our Father has changed us in His love so that "as He is, so are we in this world". If we are with God, this is the only thing that can happen. And this has us ready to be with God, later. So, do not accept less, and do not waste your time with what label to put on someone who is failing, but be a good example to help him or her and have hope in prayer for the person > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7), with "compassion" knowing "it could be me" >

"He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness." (Hebrews 5:2)

And with God we have power to restore any person who is failing in any way > Galatians 6:1 >

"Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted." (Galatians 6:1)

While we labor to help others, know "it could be me" > consider ourselves lest we "also" give in to sin. Every one of us needs the same basic thing; every one could give in to anything, I see this means. But with Jesus we are guaranteed to succeed, plus be able to help any other person . . . because of how God is almighty and able.

So, with God real correction is guaranteed, plus our Father includes us to help each other.

GallagherM said:

So there are many people who may think that they can be a righteous judge over others, when the ultimate Judge is God our Father. He sees peoples hearts individually, and that means for the people who are believers and unbelievers. There is freedom even so in Christ Jesus but in the bible it omits us from continuing in the practice of sin and instead live to righteousness. Believing that is true; why is it that a scripture by Paul states that all things are lawful but not everything is helpful or good to, as an Apostle of faith and a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ?

Paul states all things are lawful; that means he is able to partake in all things but however not all things are good to partake in. That sounds like freedom of Choice to me. There are people who believe if a person whom may be a believer yet they are stuck in a particular sin or whatever it might be that they keep could be drugs, alcohol, could be not sometimes having love for others and sometimes not, God does know the heart of the individual. That when a believer who might do a specific sin will not go on to be with God after this life.

Why is that? Why would someone look at another person who is a professed believer and maybe they are simply just a child believer rather than a mature believer think that person will be simply be cut away and not still be able to have access to God? Was not that man a professed believer, yet you judge them as though they are not? They will get to go be with God regardless of one might say or think about that person. Would you like to know why? Because God is good, he is just, fair, merciful, and compassionate, and God knew what that person would do from the start of their life to the end of their life.

God is just so He will reward them by their faith even if it is the smallest measure of faith; and all that man or woman did was reap to the flesh and only a little to the spirit by having faith even though they might have not be able to overcome whatever it was they were facing in life due to the circumstances which God foreknew in the first place.

To say they will not enter the kingdom of heaven even though they might have trouble in their flesh and where simply a child of God, is simply mind blowing. There is no reward for indulging the flesh but there is reward for loving God and others, by the spirit if you walk by the spirit. Who is to say those who have faith but are like children do not walk by the spirit here and there but sometimes indulge their flesh?

Do you not believe in Freedom, and that God is a just God who will judge righteously?

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Do you not believe in Freedom, and that God is a just God who will judge righteously?

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Absolutely

GallagherM said:

So there are many people who may think that they can be a righteous judge over others, when the ultimate Judge is God our Father. He sees peoples hearts individually, and that means for the people who are believers and unbelievers. There is freedom even so in Christ Jesus but in the bible it omits us from continuing in the practice of sin and instead live to righteousness. Believing that is true;

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why is it that a scripture by Paul states that all things are lawful but not everything is helpful or good to, as an Apostle of faith and a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ?

Paul states all things are lawful; that means he is able to partake in all things

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Paul is not stating Biblical principles in:

"All things are lawful for me," and "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food." (1 Corinthians 6:12-13).

He's quoting proverbs of the day, implying sex is simply a biological act and has no bearing on one's inner spiritual life.
(v.13) - "The body is not meant for sexual immoraltiy but for the Lord and the Lord for the body."
What one does with the body is important, particularly true of the use of sex, which the Lord has ordained in wedlock for the good of mankind (Hebrews 13:4).

but however not all things are good to partake in. That sounds like freedom of Choice to me.

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GallagherM said:

So there are many people who may think that they can be a righteous judge over others, when the ultimate Judge is God our Father. He sees peoples hearts individually, and that means for the people who are believers and unbelievers. There is freedom even so in Christ Jesus but in the bible it omits us from continuing in the practice of sin and instead live to righteousness. Believing that is true; why is it that a scripture by Paul states that all things are lawful but not everything is helpful or good to, as an Apostle of faith and a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ?

Paul states all things are lawful; that means he is able to partake in all things but however not all things are good to partake in. That sounds like freedom of Choice to me. There are people who believe if a person whom may be a believer yet they are stuck in a particular sin or whatever it might be that they keep could be drugs, alcohol, could be not sometimes having love for others and sometimes not, God does know the heart of the individual. That when a believer who might do a specific sin will not go on to be with God after this life.

Why is that? Why would someone look at another person who is a professed believer and maybe they are simply just a child believer rather than a mature believer think that person will be simply be cut away and not still be able to have access to God? Was not that man a professed believer, yet you judge them as though they are not? They will get to go be with God regardless of one might say or think about that person. Would you like to know why? Because God is good, he is just, fair, merciful, and compassionate, and God knew what that person would do from the start of their life to the end of their life.

God is just so He will reward them by their faith even if it is the smallest measure of faith; and all that man or woman did was reap to the flesh and only a little to the spirit by having faith even though they might have not be able to overcome whatever it was they were facing in life due to the circumstances which God foreknew in the first place.

To say they will not enter the kingdom of heaven even though they might have trouble in their flesh and where simply a child of God, is simply mind blowing. There is no reward for indulging the flesh but there is reward for loving God and others, by the spirit if you walk by the spirit. Who is to say those who have faith but are like children do not walk by the spirit here and there but sometimes indulge their flesh?

Do you not believe in Freedom, and that God is a just God who will judge righteously?

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The reason why the land of the free is not also the land where there are no laws is because we can misuse our freedoms to limit the freedoms of others, so true freedom is not the freedom to do whatever we want, but the freedom to do what we ought. Good legislatures don't create laws with the goal of limiting our freedoms, but with the goal of enhancing them, and no one knows better than God how we ought to live in a way that best enhances our freedoms. So in regard to God's law, we must be like violins who have faith in God to tie down our strings so that we can be free to make music. In Galatians 5:1, it is for freedom that God sets us free, and in Psalms 119:45, God's law is a law of freedom. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is sin in transgression of God's law that puts us into bondage, while it is the truth that sets us free. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from any laws, but in order to free us from all lawlessness, so the freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to sin, which is why we are encouraged not to use our freedoms for sin.

While we should not try to take the place of God in judging people, we should preach the Gospel message in order to lead people to repent and to return to obedience to God's law. If we weren't under God's law, then we would have the freedom to do what is reveals to be sin, but we don't have that freedom, therefore we are under God's law. In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, people who do the unlawful things that Paul listed will not inherit the Kingdom of God, so verse 12 should not be interpreted as saying that we have the freedom to do those things because everything is lawful, rather the Corinthians wrongly considering everything to be lawful was a major issue that Paul was writing his letter to address, especially in regard to sexual sin. He was quoting what they were saying in order to argue against it, not in order to endorse it.

Soyeong said:

The reason why the land of the free is not also the land where there are no laws is because we can misuse our freedoms to limit the freedoms of others, so true freedom is not the freedom to do whatever we want, but the freedom to do what we ought. Good legislatures don't create laws with the goal of limiting our freedoms, but with the goal of enhancing them, and no one knows better than God how we ought to live in a way that best enhances our freedoms. So in regard to God's law, we must be like violins who have faith in God to tie down our strings so that we can be free to make music.

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In Galatians 5:1, it is for freedom that God sets us free, and in Psalms 119:45, God's law is a law of freedom. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is sin in transgression of God's law that puts us into bondage, while it is the truth that sets us free. I, in Titus 2:14t does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from any laws,

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The laws and regulations regarding the sacrifices, ceremonial uncleanness, cleansings, etc. have been abolished in Jesus' flesh on the cross (Ephesians 2:14-15). We are free from them all.

but in order to free us from all lawlessness, so the freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to sin, which is why we are encouraged not to use our freedoms for sin.

While we should not try to take the place of God in judging people, we should preach the Gospel message in order to lead people to repent and to return to obedience to God's law. If we weren't under God's law, then we would have the freedom to do what is reveals to be sin, but we don't have that freedom, therefore we are under God's law. In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, people who do the unlawful things that Paul listed will not inherit the Kingdom of God, so verse 12 should not be interpreted as saying that we have the freedom to do those things because everything is lawful, rather the Corinthians wrongly considering everything to be lawful was a major issue that Paul was writing his letter to address, especially in regard to sexual sin. He was quoting what they were saying in order to argue against it, not in order to endorse it.

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