The Gospel of Jesus

BrotherJJ said:

The Gospel of Jesus Christ for today's NT believer is found in 1 Cor 15

1 Corinthians 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, "I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you", which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
(NOTE: "I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you")

2 "By which also ye are saved", if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
(NOTE: "By which also ye are saved")

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how "that Christ died for our sins" according to the scriptures;
(NOTE: "that Christ died for our sins"

4 And "that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day" according to the scriptures:
(NOTE: "that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day"

Vrs 1-4 Recap: "I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you" "By which also ye are saved" is "that Christ died for our sins" "that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day"

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Why skip the next 4 verses?... the word "And" makes them part of Paul's gospel.

15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Since Paul "received" this gospel, who from? Who are the people in verse 7? When did James see Jesus separately, and which James? And why does 1 Corinthians 1:23 stop at the crucified part?

Tigger45 said:

Its first to the Jew and then to the Greeks. There is only one Gospel.

Romans 1:16

For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one who believeth, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

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What Gospel was Jesus teaching?

Matthew 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, He departed into Galilee; 4:13 And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: 4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. 4:18 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. 4:19 And He saith unto them, Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men. 4:20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed Him. 4:21 And going on from thence, He saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and He called them. 4:22 And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed Him. 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

What Gospel were the Twelve Apostles teaching?

Matthew 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

What Gospel did they continue to teach?

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven Disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 28:17 And when they saw Him, they worshipped Him: but some doubted. 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (John 17:20)

Matthew 24:14 And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

John 14:24 He that loveth Me not keepeth not My words: and the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's which sent Me. (John 12:48-50)

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the Commandments of God, and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ.

timothyu said:

It does to me. Just as there is a time of the gentiles, there is a time of this world, and a new one will be out next home. Just as one man lived inn the Garden, another version lived in this world. The next version will have a new creation as home. Like Jesus said, if it were not so he would have told us.

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Luke is the only one using the term "times of the Gentiles" and that prophecy links to Revelation 11:2.

And your reference to John 14:2 links that verse to John 14:23 by the same Greek word for abodes, which is from a Greek word meaning abide, stay, continue, endure.

Ligurian said:

Why skip the next 4 verses?

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Source Amplified Bible

1 Now brothers and sisters, let me remind you [once again] of the good news [of salvation] which I preached to you, which you welcomed and accepted and on which you stand [by faith].

2 By this faith you are saved [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose], if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain [just superficially and without complete commitment].

3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

5 and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the [a]Twelve.

6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death].

7 Then He was seen by James, then by all the apostles,

8 and last of all, as to one untimely (prematurely, traumatically) born, He appeared to me also.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15 - Amplified Bible

1st, all brackets in scripture shared above, are from AMP Bible translators.

2ndly, Why did I stopped at vs 4:

The next 4 verses you cited aren't of ""first importance"" (reread vs 3 above). The Gospel/good news about Jesus Christ is:

Christ died for your sins (paying sins required debt) was buried (proof Jesus died) & was resurrected (Father's receipt, sins required payment received & accepted)

The Resurrection is all the proof needed to know:

Jesus was the Christ/Redeemer/Savior. (reread 4 above).

No one today see's Him physically & no one's salvation rests on knowing who saw him & when.

BrotherJJ said:

Source Amplified Bible

1 Now brothers and sisters, let me remind you [once again] of the good news [of salvation] which I preached to you, which you welcomed and accepted and on which you stand [by faith].

2 By this faith you are saved [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose], if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain [just superficially and without complete commitment].

3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

5 and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the [a]Twelve.

6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death].

7 Then He was seen by James, then by all the apostles,

8 and last of all, as to one untimely (prematurely, traumatically) born, He appeared to me also.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15 - Amplified Bible

1st, all brackets in scripture shared above, are from AMP Bible translators.

2ndly, Why did I stopped at vs 4:

The next 4 verses you cited aren't of ""first importance"" (reread vs 3 above). The Gospel/good news about Jesus Christ is:

Christ died for your sins (paying sins required debt) was buried (proof Jesus died) & was resurrected (Father's receipt, sins required payment received & accepted)

The Resurrection is all the proof needed to know:

Jesus was the Christ/Redeemer/Savior. (reread 4 above).

No one today see's Him physically & no one's salvation rests on knowing who saw him & when.

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Then you will have to take it up with Saul of Tarsus when you meet him. He's the one who made that stuff part of his gospel. If 1 Corinthians 1:23 is the rest of his gospel, ask him what he did with Matthew 24:14... or rather, Luke's version of it. Galatians 2:7-9 is already his answer, and you haven't read it yet. Because the Galilean Apostles had another stewardship Matthew 10:6-7

Bro.T said:

In the days of these Kings is talking about the future, in the last days, very possible our time. God of Heaven coming down, I showed you this Kingdom in Revelation 21st Chapter.

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Contrare. . .

"In the days of those kings" = the Roman empire (Daniel 2:40-43), which conquered the Greek empire (Daniel 2:39, Daniel 8:21).

The Roman empire (63BC - 476BC) conquered the Greek empire (330BC - 63BC) in 63BC.
The Messianic kingdom was set jup during the past Roman empire, at the time of the first coming of Christ (Matthew 12:28).

Bro.T said:

What is the gospel of Jesus? Is it merely the news that he was born in a manger? Is it confined to the miracles and healing Jesus did while walking the earth? Maybe it's simply the news of his death and resurrection? Well, all of these things are a part of the gospel, but the good news that Jesus preached is much more "... Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God" (Mark 1:14). This is the gospel of Jesus. Nowadays many fail to preach the gospel of God's kingdom. Why? The bible teaches that Satan has deceived the whole world (Revelation 12:9). Jesus said that many would come preaching in his name and yet deceive many (Matthews 24:5). This is why pastors everywhere claim to be fulfilling the great commission (spreading the gospel all over the world), but never mention the coming of God's kingdom. Therefore, many people are deceived and have not heard the gospel of Jesus. Instead they hear and believe another gospel, which teaches that they are going to heaven. This is not the gospel of Jesus!

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All over the bible, from the promise to Abraham in Genesis to the second coming of Jesus in Revelation, the Lord reveals that his kingdom will be on earth.

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So how did you miss what the Lord reveals all over the Bible in Daniel, Luke, John, 1 Corinthians, Ephesians and 1 Peter?

That his kingdom is on earth, right now, set up during the Roman empire of 63BC - 476AD at Christ's first coming, in fulfillment of Nebuchadnezzar's dream (Daniel 2:31-35), interpreted to him by/in Daniel 2:36-45, where God set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, will crush all other kingdoms, and will endure forever (Daniel 2:44).

There is no other kingdom of God than the everlasting one set up by Jesus at his first coming, the eternal kingdom, which has come--is among us (Luke 11:20), spiritual--within and invisible (Luke 17:20-21). God does not have two temporal earthly kingdoms.
That is a false notion of man, so suitable to his fancy that he thinks it is from God.

This message is supposed to be good news to us, especially considering the condition of the world. We should be glad to know that God is going to straighten out the trouble and confusion that's presently in the world. Jesus even told us to pray for the fulfillment of his gospel, "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven" (Matthew 6:10). Jesus also warned us to repent (turn from our sins) and be prepared for the coming of his kingdom. If we truly believe the gospel, then we will obey God's commandments. "...The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9).

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However, Jesus said the meek are blessed because they will inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5). Now why in the world would the meek want to inherit the earth

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It will be the new heavens and new earth, the home of righteousness, no sin--sin free!

if God is supposed to take us to heaven? Maybe the meek are not so blessed after all?! Yes, the meek are blessed because they will be on the earth, in God's kingdom. "...but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth" (Proverbs 10:30). Therefore, repent and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15). Jesus never promised to take us to heaven.

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Are you sure about that?

"Father, I will those you have given me to be with me where I am. . ." (John 17:24)

As a matter of fact Jesus said that no man went up to heaven except he (speaking of himself) that came down from heaven (St. John 3:13).

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"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of man."
(John 3:13)

Past tense. . .relevance?

Jesus promised us we would dwell with him on the earth. That's right, Jesus is returning to establish the kingdom of God. If we have faith and obey him, we will rule with him on the earth,

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Not according to the fulfilled prophecy of Daniel 2:44-45, and not according to Jesus in Luke 11:20, Luke 17:20-21. . .that was all eternally set up at Jesus' first coming during the Roman empire.

priests; and we shall reign on the earth" (Revelation 5:10)

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And we are now a royal priesthood (1 Peter 2:9), seated with Christ in the heavenlies (Ephesians 2:6), reigning with him until he puts all enemies under his feet (1 Corinthians 15:25).

Clare73 said:

There is no other kingdom of God than the everlasting one set up by Jesus at his first coming, the eternal kingdom, which has come--is among us

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Thy Kingdom come (meaning) Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven. Kingdom also means governance. We are still in the repentance (change) stage of this evolution from man's will to God's will..

timothyu said:

Thy Kingdom come (meaning) Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven. Kingdom also means governance. We are still in the repentance (change) stage of this evolution from man's will to God's will..

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Not according to Luke 11:20 and Luke 17:20-21 where Jesus said the eternal kingdom is here now.

Not according to Ephesians 2:6 and 1 Corinthians 15:25, where we are seated with Christ in the heavenlies, reigning with him now until he puts all enemies under his feet.

Your personal interpretations of unfulfilled prophetic riddles (Numbers 12:8), which are subject to more than one interprestiaon, are in disagreement with authoritative NT teaching in the above.

Clare73 said:

Not according to Luke 11:20 and Luke 17:20-21 where Jesus said the eternal kingdom is here now.

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Of course.. He was referring to Himself doing no will of His own but only the will of the Father.

timothyu said:

Of course.. He was referring to Himself doing no will of His own but only the will of the Father.

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He was referring to himself as its King being present in his person, driving out demons, the enemies of the Kingdom.

Clare73 said:

He was referring to himself as its King being present in his person, driving out demons, the enemies of the Kingdom.

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His Kingship was established by following the will of the Father until as He said 'it is finished'. He died following the Father's will even though He had the choice not to. Then he 'officially' qualified as the King representing the will of the Father over mankind via the new world replacing the old where God would once again live among the people.

timothyu said:

His Kingship was established by following the will of the Father until as He said 'it is finished'. He died following the Father's will even though He had the choice not to. Then he 'officially' qualified as the King representing the will of the Father over mankind via the new world replacing the old where God would once again live among the people.

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Not according to the NT. . .he came as king (John 18:37; Matthew 27:11).

The Magi, Nathaniel and the people knew it (Matthew 2:2; John 1:49; John 12:13; Luke 23:38),
they wanted to make him king by force (John 6:15).

He came as king of Israel (John 18:37) to set up his spiritual kingdom, invisible and within (Luke 17:20-21), they rejected him, so he gave the kingdom to the Gentiles (Matthew 21:43).

Clare73 said:

Jesus said he was king (Matthew 27:11; Luke 23:38).

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Both of those passages are having him declared king by man. Of no use when only the Father can make that declaration. Adam and Eve chose to put their will ahead of the will of God. To reverse that, Jesus had to do just the opposite. It was humanly possible to make that choice.

timothyu said:

Both of those passages are having him declared king by man. Of no use when only the Father can make that declaration. Adam and Eve chose to put their will ahead of the will of God. To reverse that, Jesus had to do just the opposite. It was humanly possible to make that choice.

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Not in Matthew 27:11 in my Bible.

When they handed him over to the Gentiles (Pilate, Matthew 27:2), they thereby handed over the kingdom to the Gentiles, as Jesus said (Matthew 21:43).

Clare73 said:

Not in Matthew 27:11 in my Bible.

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Pilate said it, Jesus did not agree but said, you are the one saying it. But He did say His Kingdom was not of this world, so any reference of king on Jesus' part would be to another world. The Jews and Pilate were looking to the wrong world. The Jews were looking for a physical saviour, a worldly king. The Gospel of the Kingdom went right over their heads (as it does with many Christians who think the church is supposed to be a kingdom builder - as does some churches). As for who the Good News was handed over to to forward, does not change the end game.

timothyu said:

Pilate said it, Jesus did not agree but said, you are the one saying it. But He did say His Kingdom was not of this world, so any reference of king on Jesus' part would be to another world. The Jews and Pilate were looking to the wrong world. The Jews were looking for a physical saviour, a worldly king. The Gospel of the Kingdom went right over their heads (as it does with many Christians who think the church is supposed to be a kingdom builder - as does some churches). As for who the Good News was handed over to to forward, does not change the end game.

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Jesus said it in John 18:37.

I hope you aren't suggesting that was disagreement by Jesus. That was as close as he could come to saying it without being held guilty of treason against Caesar.
But the Magi, Nathaniel and the people knew.

And the inscription on the cross was "King of the Jews" and not "This man claimed he was king of the Jews" (John 19:21), which Pilate would not change.

Clare73 said:

as close as he could come to saying it without being held guilty of treason against Caesar.
But the Magi, Nathaniel and the people knew.

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Well I doubt Jesus was trying to wriggle out of being crucified. The people condemned Him but Pilate was a politician and of course would put up a sign indicating treason, rather than admitting he would bow to the will of the people.

timothyu said:

Well I doubt Jesus was trying to wriggle out of being crucified. The people condemned Him but Pilate was a politician and of course would put up a sign indicating treason, rather than admitting he would bow to the will of the people.

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Agreed.

It was not about crucifixion, it was about blamelessness.

He expressly told Pilate he was a king, that it was the reason he was born (John 18:37).

He died for being charged with the truth. . ."King of the Jews." (John 18:37)

The eternal kingdom (Daniel 2:44-45) was set up at the first coming of Christ-- a spiritual kingdom, invisible and within (Luke 17:20-21).

Clare73 said:

He died for being charged with the truth. . ."King of the Jews."

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But that truth did not come to fruition where it could be called truth until He completed His mission of no will of His own but only that of the Father. Had He failed at the last moment before death, we would not be discussing this.